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MrTroubleMaker
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lolGravijah said:
DjangoReinhardt
Thinks he should have been the one to kill Batman's parents.
I'd love to see consoles move towards a DVD/Blu-ray cabal-like model. At this point, I think the benefits from having multiple distinct platforms in this market are pretty slim as a consumer. I strongly suspect that there is much greater benefit to be had in standardizing the software development environment.
Inferno313
Banned
FyreWulff said:
What Wii game has cross platform play?
That's what is being proposed. DVD and Blu-Ray are standards that were decided upon by a consortium of major studios and electronics manufacturers.megashock5 said:
It takes the focus away from hardware competition, at least once we get a few years into a generation. HD-DVD/Blu-Ray and VHS/Betamax like battles would be inevitable as the format was established, I suppose.
3DO was one company deciding to force this approach down the public's throat and teaming up with other manufacturers. It didn't have the support of all the major players, so it's not really comparable to this hypothetical scenario.megashock5 said:
The platform would be expensive at first, but would become mass-market affordable over an extended period of time, as was the case with DVD and Blu-Ray players.
Exactly. I think we'd see much more widespread adoption of gaming platforms, and the boundaries of gaming would expand. I also think less dick-swinging between platform-holders would create a more healthy environment for innovative software.DjangoReinhardt said:
I'm talking about a hypothetical scenario in the far future. I made my comment because I've seen people say things like, 'Nintendo would rather go out of the games business than release software for another platform', which is obviously nonsense.Vinci said:
Obviously none of this will matter anytime soon, since Nintendo are the only consistently profitable of the big three, even in (relative) failure.
Inferno313 said:
It's possible, but I don't know of a game offhand that does. I remember a game or two that let you run a server on PC for a Wii game without jumping through the XServer hoops that MS does for Live.
Nintendo and Sony don't really care what you do with your online mode in regards to cross platform. You're pretty much on your own for infrastructure on both Wii and PS3.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
DryvBy2 said:
I think this time you'd be wrong, there would still be competition in the industry, and we the consumers would get the best of both Sony and MS.
Mr.Squirrel
Tom
paskowitz said:
Or they might bump heads and clash only to release the next-gen version of this:
ElRenoRaven
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Or if they do that you can pay real money and buy the new Nintendo console for less. Yea. Damn that whole free choice thing that can keep them in check.Gravijah said:
megashock5
Member
Krev said:
I know, that's what I'm saying. So, first of all, could you ever get all of the console manufacturers to agree on specs/standards when Nintendo and Sony/MS want vastly different things? If they're all going to run the same games, they'd have to be close in power (aside from additional non-gaming features), so how much could the price really vary?
As I said, Sony put out a $600 machine and lost money on it, Nintendo sold a $250 box and took in a huge profit. How could these two companies EVER agree on a standard?
And if they did, it would likely be too expensive for the mass market or not powerful enough for tech-heads.
GTP_Daverytimes
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Might be better for the industry if they merge in 20-30 years time.
I wouldn't mind a joint super console in theory. But in reality things never work out that way. I just can't see these two companies working smoothly together on something so big. It's probably some cross promotion deal the two are cooking up for laptops or a music service or something along those lines.
GTP_Daverytimes
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erlim said:
Dam good reason why they should do it (if they want to) in that time frame, i most likely would be dead and i don't plan on seeing it happen. When big companies like this form an alliance it's never a good thing, they might never come to an agreement and when they do the end result will most likely be shite. So bring it on in 30 years (or 40) when am most likely dead.
Mr. B Natural
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Guys, it's Microsoft-Sony and Sony-Microsoft.
It's a formula.
Microsoft - Sony = ?
Sony - Microsoft = ?
Someone get Hawking on the phone.
It's a formula.
Microsoft - Sony = ?
Sony - Microsoft = ?
Someone get Hawking on the phone.
XANDER CAGE
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erlim said:
Is GAF all AARP members or something?
One console future whee!
Probably has been already said, but while a single standard formula would probably be bad for the consumer, I don't know why a minimum standard couldn't be succesful. PC games have had sliders for ever. What's to stop developers in a console-standard situation from doing just that? In other words, game X will play on machines A, B, and C(but may look better or have alternate control inputs on those machines?) As an added benefit, your shiny new game will keep working, just looking even shinier the next time you upgrade.
Probably has been already said, but while a single standard formula would probably be bad for the consumer, I don't know why a minimum standard couldn't be succesful. PC games have had sliders for ever. What's to stop developers in a console-standard situation from doing just that? In other words, game X will play on machines A, B, and C(but may look better or have alternate control inputs on those machines?) As an added benefit, your shiny new game will keep working, just looking even shinier the next time you upgrade.
Seraphinianus
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I'm fine with this. Nintendo can go 3rd party for them and it will be the perfect console.
infinityBCRT
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I'm disappointed that Klepek hasn't broken this story wide open yet. You're letting me down kiddo!
megashock5
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Vinci said:
I hope you're right. I'll be very interested to see they're approach next time.
I was thinking about and..
1. Phones. While sony loves android, they are a hardware company, can run any phone os they want.
2. A while back many game industry leaders shouted from the mountain tops about a one console generation. Sony hardware with microsoft OS/Servers doesn't sound bad to me.
3. This one is a little more out there. Enemy of my Enemy is my Friend. A partnership between sony and microsoft could introduce thin client hardware to run windows 8 in the corporate environment. Things between microsoft and desktop manufacturers (HP/Dell) have been a bit shaky. I could see Microsoft cutting hp/dell out and working with another company to put in dedicated microsoft co branded dummy terminals to run visualized environments.
just my .02 cents
1. Phones. While sony loves android, they are a hardware company, can run any phone os they want.
2. A while back many game industry leaders shouted from the mountain tops about a one console generation. Sony hardware with microsoft OS/Servers doesn't sound bad to me.
3. This one is a little more out there. Enemy of my Enemy is my Friend. A partnership between sony and microsoft could introduce thin client hardware to run windows 8 in the corporate environment. Things between microsoft and desktop manufacturers (HP/Dell) have been a bit shaky. I could see Microsoft cutting hp/dell out and working with another company to put in dedicated microsoft co branded dummy terminals to run visualized environments.
just my .02 cents
Lord_Byron28
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While I'm for your idea and actually like it because console exclusives are becoming increasingly annoying in today's videogame market with genres of videogames becoming almost split up to which console you purchase. Nintendo will not go for this idea anytime in the near future. Their two biggest strengths which sell their hardware(and they make a lot of their money from) is their unique and innovative(or gimmicky depending on your view) hardware and their 1st party franchises. If all systems can play all of the same software and all of the hardware needs to be at the same basic level of power and control inputs than that throws Nintendo's biggest strengths out the window. Going by your theory the main differentiators between products would be price, online services and the system's OS. If there is a baseline with power, Nintendo loses because Microsoft, Sony and whatever other big tech company can get cheaper and easier parts than Nintendo can. Online services and OS are also one of Nintendo's biggest weaknesses. That's why I don't see Nintendo going along with it.Krev said:
In theory, I do like it because it would benefit consumers and third parties. As well as likely broaden the consumer/videogame base. Unless Sony, Microsoft and what ever other company go along with the idea and Nintendo suffers a severe loss in market share, I don't see Nintendo agreeing to the idea.
Chet Rippo
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I don't want to die.Billychu said:
DjangoReinhardt
Thinks he should have been the one to kill Batman's parents.
No one would get exactly what they want as the core set of specs in every likelihood. They'll have to compromise and there will be incentives for them to do so. Each company's R&D costs should go down in this model, for instance. There should be wide latitude to release peripherals, though.megashock5 said:
Quite a bit. It happens in almost every other consumer market. A Honda Fit and an Acura ZDX fundamentally do the same thing, but the cost for the latter is considerably higher. Economies of scale would be a much bigger factor in this scenario for the core components than they are under the current model. There is far more incentive to be smart about your design and efficient about your manufacturing compared to now - the hardware manufacturers would be much more accountable to the market.megashock5 said:
I suspect that the third-party publishers need to get together and exert pressure to make this happen. It would go a long way if they told the industry, "Multiple platforms drive up our costs, consumer costs, stifle software innovation, and only benefit three companies. We're done with it. We're all only making games for the new standard."megashock5 said:
Tech-heads have PCs. The vast majority of consumers want buying and playing games to be as simple as possible. Hopefully, the consortium would be smart enough to include third-party publishers and developers in the discussion about the balance between cost and power at the outset, rather than let a crackpot executive make suicidal proclamations from the mountaintop.megashock5 said:
GuiltySpank
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Yo, I'm with this dude.MechDX said:
Xbots and Sotards will be like the Brady Bunch.
megashock5
Member
DjangoReinhardt said:
Most of your post is good stuff, but this example doesn't really work.
The Fit and ZDX are similar in the fact that they are cars, hold a certain number of people, have a stereo and so on. The power/performance is vastly different.
So a PS3 and a V-Tech V-Smile are both home game consoles that hook up to your TV and play games with a controller, but there's no way they'll play the same games.
There can be other factors that affect price such as Blu-ray, built-in WiFi, ports, streaming media, etc. - but the horsepower for the actual games would need to be similar.
The whole scenario is possible but I'll be surprised to ever see it happen, at least as long as Nintendo is around. They're in the business of selling hardware and they make software to do that. What incentive is there to buy the Nintendo box if all games play on all systems? (aside from build quality, that is)
Warm Machine
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alphaNoid said:
Yeah, Sony and Microsoft are pretty good friends in the PC world.
I would like a console standard between the two of them. Next gen, if anyone blinks they are not third place, they run the risk of longer competing at all due to dev costs and diverging technologies. Smarter and safer to do a partnership where both can sell their version of the hardware on a unified standard, just like DVD or Blu Ray.
Not to say this is going to happen but it would create a far more stable industry with larger profits, larger single userbase, and tech growth all around.
SonicMegaDrive
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-viper- said:
yeah but mostly because of the Saturn.
funkystudent
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maybe they could do something awesome for everyone like work tougher to make sure the ps4 and xbox 3 will have common tools and hardware so devs dont have to spend so much time and money designed everything from scratch on each platform.
Like if the ps3 and ps4 could run XNA and the 360 could run sonys edge tool stuff.
they would still have graphical features specially designed for each system but they both have a common base making multiplat development alot easier.
Like if the ps3 and ps4 could run XNA and the 360 could run sonys edge tool stuff.
they would still have graphical features specially designed for each system but they both have a common base making multiplat development alot easier.
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