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Milo Yiannopoulos's UC Berkeley speech cancelled due to protests, campus on lockdown
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Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Frozenprince
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Some of y'all need to educate yourselves to the violent resistance used by the Civil Rights Movement.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/1614274118/?tag=neogaf0e-20
https://www.amazon.com/dp/161614839X/?tag=neogaf0e-20
https://www.amazon.com/dp/0465033105/?tag=neogaf0e-20
https://www.amazon.com/dp/1479886033/?tag=neogaf0e-20
https://www.amazon.com/dp/0807857025/?tag=neogaf0e-20
It'd do some of you a world of good to learn.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/1614274118/?tag=neogaf0e-20
https://www.amazon.com/dp/161614839X/?tag=neogaf0e-20
https://www.amazon.com/dp/0465033105/?tag=neogaf0e-20
https://www.amazon.com/dp/1479886033/?tag=neogaf0e-20
https://www.amazon.com/dp/0807857025/?tag=neogaf0e-20
It'd do some of you a world of good to learn.
KoopaTheCasual
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Small side note:
Is the new narrative about Trump's EO that it's totally not a "Muslim Ban" (even though he called it that himself) because most of the world's Muslims can still get in to the country? That completely side-steps the fact that it explicitly targets Muslims from the territories under scrutiny. It's a Muslim Ban in the sense that it bans specific Muslims. No one is arguing that it targets ALL Muslims, jesus Christ.
God, this reminds me of when the Black Lives Matter movement got held up for months arguing the semantics of their name with the phrase "Black Lives Matter Too", when people would willfully interpret the phrase as, "Only Black Lives Matter".
Also, this.
People who believe the Civil Rights Movement would have made serious progress without the likes of Malcolm X and his radical brethren are simply ignoring history.
The Civil Rights Movement was basically a "Good Cop, Bad Cop" scenario. Without any physical resistance, it wouldn't have gone anywhere.
Is the new narrative about Trump's EO that it's totally not a "Muslim Ban" (even though he called it that himself) because most of the world's Muslims can still get in to the country? That completely side-steps the fact that it explicitly targets Muslims from the territories under scrutiny. It's a Muslim Ban in the sense that it bans specific Muslims. No one is arguing that it targets ALL Muslims, jesus Christ.
God, this reminds me of when the Black Lives Matter movement got held up for months arguing the semantics of their name with the phrase "Black Lives Matter Too", when people would willfully interpret the phrase as, "Only Black Lives Matter".
Also, this.
People who believe the Civil Rights Movement would have made serious progress without the likes of Malcolm X and his radical brethren are simply ignoring history.
The Civil Rights Movement was basically a "Good Cop, Bad Cop" scenario. Without any physical resistance, it wouldn't have gone anywhere.
smudge
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The only ones I see being violent are not the alt-right, whatever their "end-goals" may be. I'm just saying the clashes probably won't be so one sided forever.
balladofwindfishes
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Boozeroony
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You can do better.
TestOfTide
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Do you realize that people like Milo feed off being able to say whatever they want?
Milo and the Alt-Right are the political equivalent of High School Bullies. Trying to reason with them only EMBOLDENS them to be assholes even more.
Bullies don't stop until the face legal consequences or get the shit beat out of them.
And how many times should he be given a platform to target trans people? How many times should he be allowed to manufacture bullshit lies about people and use them to incite his fans to attack them?
How many trans folk is he allowed to paint a target on before its too much? How many women, trans, lesbians, minorities in general are acceptable collateral damage to you?
This arsehole has been destroyed in debates before and all he does is cutesy his way out of it and it makes not one jot of difference to his supporters. Not one fricking jot.
Bullies can't be reasoned with, you can't debate with them to stop being Bullies. At best they'll nod along and then continue as soon as your back is turned.
Gotdatmoney
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How has Europe or even gasp, your neighbours in Canada managed to survive with hate speech laws then?
ultratruman
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How do many alt-right jerks do we need to beat up to put the Democrats back in power?
boiled goose
good with gravy
I agree. Once something classifies as harassment, then you don't get to do it from a podium.
Maybe, but this might fall under a slippery slope fallacy. If the standard is harassment, which can be objectively defined, then that is a hard line. But then harassment can be redefined you say! But then even the word "speech" can be redefined and we are fucked anyways.
capitalCORN
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Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Stop fucking concern trolling about the usage of the term nazism in 2017. Because it seems to me like you literally have no other reason to be here ITT.
Milo has already done this multiple times and doubled down on them, why the hell are we still discussing whether or not he should be given a platform?
Glass Shark
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You're making the mistake of believing he and his kind want legitimate debate. They don't. Facts and truths don't matter to these people, they only want a bigger stage to spew their hate.
"We should allow them to oppress and harass now, because they might oppress and harass us later if we don't."
TestOfTide
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So your ENTIRE ridiculous argument is that he's not a Nazi because it's not the 1930s?
Is Richard Spencer a Nazi? Yes or No?
Frozenprince
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Was there ever any doubt?:
He speaks out on this.
But not on the hate crimes occurring because of his EO.
Hm.
Hmmmmmmmmmm.
There really needs to be laws passed about these zealots preaching racist, hatred, neonazi dogma on campuses. They can have the freeze peach to share this trash in the privacy of their own home, but there should zero tolerence for saying this filth in public.
Crossing Eden
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There are more progressive places in the world with laws like this already in place.
KoopaTheCasual
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Frozenprince
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Funny how you rarely hear about Neo-Nazi's preaching on corners in places with dedicated hate speech laws.
jellies_two
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Exactly
Two things happened one is milo got shutdown due to unexpectedly large amounts of free speech, and two was some group should have got arrested for violence.
Now if the right wants to go protest a bernie sanders rally or something they should definitely do that.
Trump wants to use the national guard or threat of money cuts as Brownshirts to ensure his troll gets a platform. But only his troll. Nobody else. That's nothing to do with free speech and everything to do with losing his temper.
Boozeroony
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Uh, no? The current racist 'alt-right' movement lacks certain nazi characteristics.
King Gilga
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I dunno but I hope you guys do all of them.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Yea, it's almost like incredibly strict suppression of hate speech actually works or something.
Let's have a look and see, he came into the thread with the following:
after being presented with an orgy of evidence for white supremacy, racism, anti-semitism, and targeted attacks:
So yes it seems he literally has an incredibly strict definition of nazism and expects us to do the same lest he concerns trolls his way to fucking freedom.
This is so insignificant in a larger context, that I can't even believe he cares about this. It's like if Obama commented on /pol/ shitposting.Was there ever any doubt?:
Not any platform, but public universities like UC Berkley who get government funding can't make content based restrictions on who speaks at thier public venues.
You have the right to speak your mind and not be jailed for it.
But other people don't have to put up with your shit. And if you're spewing hate speech and literal garbage, leading to violence or the eradication of a people, then you should not be surprised if someone clocks you for it.
Fuck Milo, fuck nazis, fuck the alt right.
But other people don't have to put up with your shit. And if you're spewing hate speech and literal garbage, leading to violence or the eradication of a people, then you should not be surprised if someone clocks you for it.
Fuck Milo, fuck nazis, fuck the alt right.
pirateluigi
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Was there ever any doubt?:
Jesus Christ. I should be surprised, but I'm not.
Glass Shark
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Richard Spencer is beyond alt-right. He praised Trump for de-emphasizing Jews in the Holocaust Remembrance Day statement.
No one should be defending this.
Dubbedinenglish
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Wonder if moderate-man would come to the rescue of ISIS aligned Imams doing the same on campuses?🤔🤔
TestOfTide
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An alt-right supporter shot up a mosque a few days ago.
boiled goose
good with gravy
The Constitution just guarantees you will not be prosecuted. It doesn't promise you a podium. 
Disagree. People can say "in public" whatever the fuck they want. They can go to a park and yell slurs if they wish. Universities can also decide not to host them. Companies can decide to fire them. I think the current system works fine. Social media account holders should do a better job of moderation though.
Disagree. People can say "in public" whatever the fuck they want. They can go to a park and yell slurs if they wish. Universities can also decide not to host them. Companies can decide to fire them. I think the current system works fine. Social media account holders should do a better job of moderation though.
Frozenprince
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It bothers me so much more than it should because not one word out of his mouth has been "people, Muslims aren't evil, this is a ban in place for your safety". Like, we know it's a lie, but even that lip service could save somebodies life by keeping a hate monger at home.
Instead he chooses to watch Pixar movies and cape for Milo Yiannopoulos who I'm sure will be offered a position in the administration any day now.
Disgusts me.
Can they make restrictions based on history of the person harassing/mocking the students?
i guess it could alternatively be looked at as a brown people ban
Boozeroony
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ISIS dehumanizes jews too. They are no nazis. It takes more to be a nazi than dehumanizing jews.
KoopaTheCasual
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You've been asked so many times, but what the heck.
What are these "certain Nazi characteristics," that are wholly lacking from the like of Spencer, Milo, etc? Please list them.
smudge
Member
Oh so they did, brb grabbing my pitchfork, that'll fix things
i think you would struggle to name some (outside of the alt-reich not currently manning concentration camps)
jakonovski
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Narcissist psychopath. He has the need for adulation as well as the need to rub his evil shit all over his body. Because he doesn't just want someone to lose, he wants to desecrate them. He paid hookers to piss on the hotel bed where Obama slept.
Baraka in the White House
2-Terms of Kombat
Jesus Christ some of you.
"Just ignore the (literal) Nazis with a large and growing audience and they'll go away!"
For fuck's sake, we're not in grade school here.
Laughing off assholes with growing influence put the orange cunt in the white house.
"Just ignore the (literal) Nazis with a large and growing audience and they'll go away!"
For fuck's sake, we're not in grade school here.
Laughing off assholes with growing influence put the orange cunt in the white house.
Glass Shark
Banned
What the fuck kind of argument are you even trying to make here because I literally don't know
Veritigo_X
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A member of the alt-right shot someone at a Milo protest just last week. The mosque shooting happened just a few days ago.
Lol you're right. Objective facts, debates and doing nothing. I'm sure they'll come around.
So explain your criteria for being a Nazi, and we can compare.
Gordon Shumway
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Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
It is my belief that we must be very very careful when calling people who are in very VERY VERY specific ways similar to nazis not actual nazis but to use other terms. /s Richard Spencer literally has a nazi haircut and yelled hail our people.
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