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Punch-Out as the the best sports game of 2009. :lol
Yeah, I don't think the Sports genre gets much respect. Madden is Madden. The only big annual sports game on there was FIFA. Kinda surprised that NHL didn't make the cutpizzaguysrevenge said:Punch-Out as the the best sports game of 2009. :lol
:enemyglider: said:That's cool, personally I found Killzone 2 to destroy all other shooter games for me this generation.
Halo was a gigantic letdown and more of the same ol' same ol' with graphics that were pretty last gen, while Gears of War had an awful online component. Modern Warfare is a casual, accessible shooter but gets boring after you realize how one dimensional the encounters are. It's basically a lame shooter, mechanically, with an RPG leveling system. I don't play games just because it has a lot to unlock, the game has to convince me that it's worth playing and MW2's core gameplay just isn't very fun. Haven't tried borderlands, but L4D suffers from the same problems MW2 does; the core gameplay isn't very fun because the weapons don't feel good to shoot.
Killzone 2 was expertly produced in terms of visual feedback - the guns are not matched by any other game and it's not even close. Single player games for all FPS games this gen have been a let down, but KZ2 manages to impress despite its narrative shortcomings. Level design is fantastic and the AI is unmatched. Graphically, it doesn't even need mentioning but what they've accomplished is pretty remarkable. Again, nothing comes close on that end.
There were also some interesting additions to the series such as first person cover and roaming objectives in multiplayer. In terms of comparisons, as you said, KZ2 is far better than Resistance 1/2 which I found to be absolutely awful. I've had a lot more fun with KZ2 than any exclusive 360 FPS so far. I guess Microsoft doesn't have its KZ2 yet this gen. Maybe Halo Reach will be that game for me, but I don't like what I've seen of it so far.
Ok. I'll give you AI and obviously graphics. Also sound design which you didn't mention but was ace. However, level design? What did you find well-designed about the levels? As I posted in the official thread after finishing the game, I found the game to be terribly designed and imo is not top 10 material. It desperately needed a Co-op mode to detract from many of its issues in single-player. I hold to what was mentioned earlier that most Killzone 2 votes were probably on people's lists with all PS3 exclusive titles because that's how much of GAF does it.:enemyglider: said:Killzone 2 was expertly produced in terms of visual feedback - the guns are not matched by any other game and it's not even close. Single player games for all FPS games this gen have been a let down, but KZ2 manages to impress despite its narrative shortcomings. Level design is fantastic and the AI is unmatched. Graphically, it doesn't even need mentioning but what they've accomplished is pretty remarkable. Again, nothing comes close on that end.
There were also some interesting additions to the series such as first person cover and roaming objectives in multiplayer. In terms of comparisons, as you said, KZ2 is far better than Resistance 1/2 which I found to be absolutely awful. I've had a lot more fun with KZ2 than any exclusive 360 FPS so far. I guess Microsoft doesn't have its KZ2 yet this gen. Maybe Halo Reach will be that game for me, but I don't like what I've seen of it so far.
Yeah, wtf happened to NHL this year?speculawyer said:Yeah, I don't think the Sports genre gets much respect. Madden is Madden. The only big annual sports game on there was FIFA. Kinda surprised that NHL didn't make the cut.although I still like NHL 2Kn more
You should. It is incredibly addictive, especially when you are trying to shave hundredths of seconds off to get gold and plat medals.timetokill said:Trials HD actually had some pretty passionate support... I hadn't even heard of the game before tabulating the votes this year :lol I'm definitely going to try it now.
That said, Halo 3 is the high water mark for FPS gaming this generation. Not really my personal opinion, but no FPS is going to touch it as far as copies sold or games played.
Firestorm said:Ok. I'll give you AI and obviously graphics. Also sound design which you didn't mention but was ace. However, level design? What did you find well-designed about the levels? As I posted in the official thread after finishing the game, I found the game to be terribly designed and imo is not top 10 material. It desperately needed a Co-op mode to detract from many of its issues in single-player. I hold to what was mentioned earlier that most Killzone 2 votes were probably on people's lists with all PS3 exclusive titles because that's how much of GAF does it.
It won because this year was weak all round(FPS being one of the weakest areas with allot of meh). It was a decent size fish in a shallow pond. There is no shock about it. The year was weak. Red Faction III missing from the list is the shock. Specifically when Halo ODST is on it.Danthrax said:Okay... yes, every game can be criticized. That still doesn't explain why KZ2 won. Did the people who played it not actually feel meh about it? I mean, apparently not, considering it won. It just surprised me based on how I remember people reacting last year.
EmCeeGramr said:Yeah, the current system of voting for games (and this is all websites, not just NeoGAF) right before the end of the year not only screws over December releases, but ignores the good chance that tons of people will be buying games for the holiday season and not finishing them until after New Year's.
timetokill said:Combined "Exclusive" and "Exclusive+1":
~ 14% of the ballots are Sony/Sony+1 exclusive
~ 5% of the ballots are Nintendo/Nintendo+1 exclusive
timetokill said:Combined "Exclusive" and "Exclusive+1":
~ 14% of the ballots are Sony/Sony+1 exclusive
timetokill said:Combined "Exclusive" and "Exclusive+1":
~ 14% of the ballots are Sony/Sony+1 exclusive
~ 5% of the ballots are Nintendo/Nintendo+1 exclusive
I spread the love!Danthrax said:Fascinating. No Microsoft-exclusive or PC-exclusive ballots, I take it?
As you and many others stated, it's a little early in 2010 and some of us haven't got to all the games yet. I picked up Red Faction Guerilla at $10 during the Steam sale at the end of the month. haven't played yet.shintoki said:It won because this year was weak all round(FPS being one of the weakest areas with allot of meh). It was a decent size fish in a shallow pond. There is no shock about it. The year was weak. Red Faction III missing from the list is the shock. Specifically when Halo ODST is on it.
Killzone 2 was a solid game all round. Fun campaign with a well thought out online that ran well. Only two comparable titles would be RF:G or L4D2.
Given a bit more time. I'd probably would have changed my list a whole lot.
Trials 2 is inferior in every way possible to Trials HD.speculawyer said:You can't get Trials HD but you can get Trials 2: Second edition.
AniHawk said:3 of the top 20 last year (Braid, Wipeout HD, and World of Goo) were digital distribution only too. Braid actually made it to the top 10 last year.
I bought Trials 2 on Steam for $2.49. Trials HD is quite inferior in that way.Archie said:Trials 2 is inferior in every way possible to Trials HD.
Alts said:world of goo got a retail release, though I suspect it was small.
Well if that counts as a digital distribution game then so should Torchlight. I suspect they sold more copies on Steam than anywhere else.Alts said:world of goo got a retail release, though I suspect it was small.
TorchlightFirestorm said:I actually saw a boxed Killing Floor at a store about a week ago. Was kinda weird seeing that as I associate it so strongly with Steam.
Except, ironically, the HD partArchie said:Trials 2 is inferior in every way possible to Trials HD.
UK seems to have Audiosurf retail box. I kind of want it just for shits and giggles.shintoki said:Torchlight
Trine
Sins of a Solar Empire
Killing Floor
and many others do have 20$ Retail boxes
Danthrax said:Fascinating. No Microsoft-exclusive or PC-exclusive ballots, I take it?
Yep, that sounds about right. :loltimetokill said:Combined "Exclusive" and "Exclusive+1":
~ 14% of the ballots are Sony/Sony+1 exclusive
~ 5% of the ballots are Nintendo/Nintendo+1 exclusive
Lets be honest here, World of Goo made it onto last year's list because of the Wiiware release more than anything.Alts said:world of goo got a retail release, though I suspect it was small.
timetokill said:GAME OF THE YEAR
01. Uncharted 2: Among Thieves
The Wii and PS3 fanbases respond a bit differently. Wii is heavily focused on the big 3 Nintendo franchises. Metroid, Zelda, Mario. Ones involving those always get shown strong support. We'll definitely be seeing Galaxy up there, and if Other M delivers. So will it be. While with Sony, Whatever are the big exclusives for the year. The fanbase will rally behind.grandjedi6 said:Yep, that sounds about right. :lol
Of course that doesn't mean there are more Sony fanboys than anything else. Its just that when a fanbase feels, uh, "discouraged" and also have a number of titles they can rally behind, they will. If the Wii had a stronger lineup this year it would probably be giving the PS3 a run for its money in those percentiles (like they typically have in previous years). And of course, Xbox and PC numbers are low because their fanboys are relatively content with their systems' standings, hence no need for the fanboys to go into super hyper mode.
Oh predictable internet
timetokill said:A few, sure, but nothing in the kind of numbers that would make it significant.
I think most of the people who were meh about Killzone 2 were the ones who are far too used to camera on a stick shooters like Halo and Call of Duty. I'm sure many were also just people who hadn't actually played the game much and wanted to toss out their jibes due to the excitement behind the game. You can find these types by just scanning for "Killzone 2" and "Hype" in posts and you will see their silly and futile spluttering. (GoodPS3News!?!??!.gif) There are also several who just genuinely did not like all the swearing that soldiers do (pussies!) or just didn't get into the game.Danthrax said:Okay... yes, every game can be criticized. That still doesn't explain why KZ2 won. Did the people who played it not actually feel meh about it? I mean, apparently not, considering it won. It just surprised me based on how I remember people reacting last year.
Danthrax said:So we can round to 1% for each? I like complete data =)
timetokill said:Closer to 0%, probably. I'd have to double-check to be sure, but there are a lot of PC/360 crossover titles that would make a "MS exclusive" or "PC exclusive" hard to count. Based on the criteria I laid out earlier the MS exclusives were few and far between... I'd say 0% for both of them, margin of error 1% or so
grandjedi6 said:Yep, that sounds about right. :lol
Of course that doesn't mean there are more Sony fanboys than anything else. Its just that when a fanbase feels, uh, "discouraged" and also have a number of titles they can rally behind, they will. If the Wii had a stronger lineup this year it would probably be giving the PS3 a run for its money in those percentiles (like they typically have in previous years). And of course, Xbox and PC numbers are low because their fanboys are relatively content with their systems' standings, hence no need for the fanboys to go into super hyper mode.
Oh predictable internet
Lets be honest here, World of Goo made it onto last year's list because of the Wiiware release more than anything.
Those are both reasonable analyses, I feel.shintoki said:The Wii and PS3 fanbases respond a bit differently. Wii is heavily focused on the big 3 Nintendo franchises. Metroid, Zelda, Mario. Ones involving those always get shown strong support. We'll definitely be seeing Galaxy up there, and if Other M delivers. So will it be. While with Sony, Whatever are the big exclusives for the year. The fanbase will rally behind.
360's base is a bit more diverse. They blend more into the Multiplatform titles(Ones shared with PC and PS3). Which is where I guess the bulk of the votes for the ones in the top come from.
With PC. They are always behind. Outside of the 3 or 4 titles a year. Most people discover the goods well after the date. PC is a slow builder. Home consoles live on the hype prior to release(Seldom do we get the slow builders like Demon's Soul). While that is the standard for PC. Torchlight is a good example with the combination of a nicely placed Steam Sale right when the thing first started(Wink). And it having allot of positive word after launch. It rose up allot.
DS is always all over the place. So no real use in trying to predict that. It is also a handheld. So like PC. Doomed because it isn't going to get the massive hype the Home consoles get.
This would also explain many of the hype threads and meltdowns even before the games come out:lol
Now, I think the game to look out for next year is MGS PeaceWalker on the PSP. That could be a funny dark horse :lol
timetokill said:Combined "Exclusive" and "Exclusive+1":
~ 14% of the ballots are Sony/Sony+1 exclusive
~ 5% of the ballots are Nintendo/Nintendo+1 exclusive
timetokill said:Sports Game of the Year: Punchout!!
2. Wii Sports Resort
3. FIFA 10
4. MLB '09: The Show
5. Grand Slam Tennis
Doomslayer said:Swap L4D2 with Killzone 2 and you have the perfect list.
timetokill said:Combined "Exclusive" and "Exclusive+1":
~ 14% of the ballots are Sony/Sony+1 exclusive
~ 5% of the ballots are Nintendo/Nintendo+1 exclusive
alr1ghtstart said:The people whining about it most likely never even played it.
SaitoH said:GAF's GOTY list never disappoints.
pseudocaesar said:Bad Company is still my favourite FPS this gen
NIGHT- said:This!
8-Bit Soul said:what? are You serious guys? are You friggin serious guys?