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Nicola Sturgeon: 2nd Independence Referendum IS on the table - supported by manifesto
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Hilarious thing about this is that my wife and I were literally in the process of filling out form MN1 to give my daughter UK citizenship - I have dual US and UK citizenship, was born and raised in Edinburgh.
That process costs around $1000 all told (although much less this morning, ironically), but now we're looking at the reduced value of becoming a citizen of a small isolated provincial backward little country instead of a citizen of Europe.
And to the Leave folks calling foul at accusations of racism this morning, I have no doubt that YOU personally are no racist, but if you're denying that racism and xenophobia energized and fueled the Leave campaign, then that blindness matches your understanding of economics.
Nigel Farage is the figurehead of that movement, officially or not.
If Trump won, we'd have the same indignant voters claiming racism played no part of it, and it would be just as embarrassing.
That process costs around $1000 all told (although much less this morning, ironically), but now we're looking at the reduced value of becoming a citizen of a small isolated provincial backward little country instead of a citizen of Europe.
And to the Leave folks calling foul at accusations of racism this morning, I have no doubt that YOU personally are no racist, but if you're denying that racism and xenophobia energized and fueled the Leave campaign, then that blindness matches your understanding of economics.
Nigel Farage is the figurehead of that movement, officially or not.
If Trump won, we'd have the same indignant voters claiming racism played no part of it, and it would be just as embarrassing.
Guys, guys,
If both the UK leaves the EU and Scotland leaves the UK, but wants to stay in the EU, what about this:
The UK part in which Scotland is stays in the EU, while the UK part containing England and Wales goes away.
Basically the Scottish referendum threats, but inverted. England and Wales get out of "the UK", Scotland stays in and stays in the EU. And change its name back to Scotland.
That way, Scotland never leaves the EU, there is no painful reentering process, and England and wales are happy doing their own thing anyway. Bonus, Scotland keeps all the agreements that were for the UK.
I'm sure Brussels can pulls some shenanigans like this if they want to.
If both the UK leaves the EU and Scotland leaves the UK, but wants to stay in the EU, what about this:
The UK part in which Scotland is stays in the EU, while the UK part containing England and Wales goes away.
Basically the Scottish referendum threats, but inverted. England and Wales get out of "the UK", Scotland stays in and stays in the EU. And change its name back to Scotland.
That way, Scotland never leaves the EU, there is no painful reentering process, and England and wales are happy doing their own thing anyway. Bonus, Scotland keeps all the agreements that were for the UK.
I'm sure Brussels can pulls some shenanigans like this if they want to.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
Are you sure it was two pigs rather than one pig and a Prime Minister? Might be worth checking the footage to be sure.
It's hard to tell, they look so much alike!
The EU would have to wave the UK contributions into the EU as being proportional to the size of Scotland (or the size of Scotland economy), and surely there are a ton of other gotchas.
There's also the part where the EU wants the UK to call chapter 50 (the formalities for EU withdrawal) as soon as possible, Cameron said he would quit around October and at that point the new PM would have to actually withdraw. It seems the EU considers this slow. The Scottish petition to remain in the EU with the treaties mostly untouched would have to happen before that, which means the second Independence Scottish referendum and then the UK negotiations would have to happen before October. This is not even considering whether Scotland adopts the Euro.
AuthenticM
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I don't think I've ever seen you use sarcasm in such a large dose before, hahahaha. You've been at it since last night.
SwiftDeath
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I'm hopeful that if Scotland goes independent, they'll now have an easier time joining the EU because of the UK pulling out.
Really unfortunate all around
Edit: Wait if Scotland becomes independent and then an EU member, maybe I can still get an EU passport.
My Dad was born in Scotland, I was born in England. I wonder if I'll have any rights to a Scottish passport?
Really unfortunate all around
Edit: Wait if Scotland becomes independent and then an EU member, maybe I can still get an EU passport.
My Dad was born in Scotland, I was born in England. I wonder if I'll have any rights to a Scottish passport?
Audioboxer
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Dress like this and declare your love of Buckfast and Scotland will give you anything you want
j_k_redtail
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UK leaves EU.
Scotland leaves UK.
Scotland joins EU.
UK tries to rejoin EU.
Scotland votes No.
nelsonroyale
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Dress like this and declare your love of Buckfast and Scotland will give you anything you want
Will there be a higher tariff on Buckfast I wonder? Isn't it produced in England?
Audioboxer
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Yeah, lol. Main production to now move up north...
Unless this country now becomes filthy rich and we can move the Buckfast lovers onto expensive Whisky.
SymbiantXenos
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I don't always get completely wrecked.
But when I do its with Buckfast.
But when I do its with Buckfast.
This is a pretty disingenuous comparison.
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Steve.1981
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Mother of god we never thought this through...
But yeah, Buckfast Abbey is near Torquay if I remember. Visited years ago. First time I ever tried a bottle, they told me to chill it for hours before drinking. It wasn't bad. Buckfast cider is very good though.
Well it is like the UK brought the bricks from the old Berlin Wall and declared they are building their own.
That would be hilariously sad.
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I'd like to think that the majority of Scots aren't that petty and small minded.
Willy Wanka
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Nicola Sturgeon may have the gift of the gab but honestly, good luck selling the idea of the Euro and Schengen to the majority of voters here.
You can come up with your own currency.
What's a good Scottish name for a currency?
Audioboxer
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Cuntcoin.
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She won't have too. It will be a protest vote against the majority of northern England voting to leave the EU. That will be enough for the majority of Scots to vote to leave.
Whose face goes on it?
Audioboxer
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Gotta be Alex Salmond.
We need people to pick the coin up and go "Auch aye, that's a right cunt!"
Jimbob Smalls
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We had immigration long before the EU, it used to be fair too.
We used to treat everyone the same on merit rather than geological discrimination as well.
Racist as hell, obviously.
gollumsluvslave
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Kevin Bridges already got it IMO
Haha, genuine answer. Mine is too crass.
It was born here - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRIQL4lvIqU (also hilarious, please watch GAF outside of the UK)
sono
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Willy Wanka
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If it was happening right now then I would 100% agree with you. A referendum would probably take place a couple of years from now though and by that time, things could be quite different both here in the UK and in the Eurozone. Either way, we have some interesting times ahead of us...
This is my new favourite thing. Please make it happen
Pankratous
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King Alex Salmond and Queen Nicola Sturgeon. My personal royal family.
-Plasma Reus-
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Scotland should leave the UK. Be part of EU. Let's do this.
What happens when Prime Minister Boris (*shudder*) refuses to sanction a second Indy Referendum?
I see and awful lot of huffing and puffing in the SNP's future which, to be honest, would probably be easier for them than trying to kick start an independent Scotland that cannot rely on the money from oil anymore.
Constantly arguing that 'the man', basically whoever happens to be in Government at the time, is keeping them down. would keep them in power indefinitely without any of the stress and hassles of actually having to be 'the man' themselves in running an independent Scotland.
I see and awful lot of huffing and puffing in the SNP's future which, to be honest, would probably be easier for them than trying to kick start an independent Scotland that cannot rely on the money from oil anymore.
Constantly arguing that 'the man', basically whoever happens to be in Government at the time, is keeping them down. would keep them in power indefinitely without any of the stress and hassles of actually having to be 'the man' themselves in running an independent Scotland.
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I think they could do it anyway. There is no reason for Scotland to not hold a ref.
You're not automatically Scottish but I'm pretty sure you'd be able to apply.
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While westminster can deny Scotland the result of its referendum, it won't for the same reason Cameron hasn't nullified the result of this referendum. It would be political turmoil.
Haha, I love Kevin. He's awesome.
The principle of self determination is very firmly enshrined in international law.
No country of good standing, purporting to be a democracy and respecting the civil liberties of its citizens, would refuse the request of a portion of their population to seek independence.
Try the fact that we're a country that gets politically drowned out time and time again.
Nothing to do with what I said. You all stayed mostly because of EU membership. That's what I tried to say. If you leave you'll never get a membership.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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Scotland had pounds before the Union as well.
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That's because what you said makes no sense. The EU would absolutely let an independent Scotland in.
blu
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It's been some time since I last saw a politician calling a spade a spade. ScottGAF, you should do whatever it takes to keep this guy in office!
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blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
I stand corrected (though that lady surely has some pair of balls ; )
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