Mihael Mello Keehl
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Nintendo full year financial results [23.2B yen loss, 3.6M Wii U/12M 3DS forecast]
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Psycho_Mantis
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Define strong seller quantitatively. How much do you think it will sell?
Sammy Samusu
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I don't know her.
True, but I think it will be bigger than most expect, especially in terms of pushing hardware. Something similar to what MH3U did.
X would be a huge AAA title on X1 and PS4, but on Wii U? It's not really aimed at the Wii U audience as it lacks a family-oriented art and gameplay style and as it does not feature Mario either.
Metallix87
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Again, I think it's possible, but Nintendo isn't going to let it happen. The successor will be out next year, IMO as early as February, and the 3DS will be killed off shortly after.
Barely sold a million on hundred million PS360 consoles, let's see how much it'll sell on 6 million WiiUs.
I thought that's what he meant when he said QoL?
It's not clear to me to what extent they impaired Inventory if it was that small a loss. Wouldn't they need to explicitly disclose a significant impairment?
Yes it will. I have myself been playing with the thought that the WiiU might even beat the XO in an NPD month, but the launch in between two months might make it hard.
Metallix87
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Better than Xenoblade, at least.
It's coming from a very low base, though. Isn't the original Xenogears, which came right in the peak of the PSX RPG boom, the only one of Takahashi's giant robots/religious symbolism/the letter "X" titles to break a million?
Common sense. Look at the market that already exists for QOL tech, take a look at what's coming, and add to that Apple, Google, Samsung, and everyone else coming into this space in a big way. I don't trust Nintendo hardware designers to be able to compete on this level, and I don't trust Iwata to sign off on the right product and strategy.
Iwata is steering his storm battered ship straight into the Bermuda Triangle.
The Wii was like a hall of fame basketball player. The Wii U is the son of that hall of famer that isn't nowhere near as good as his father and barely makes it off the bench and is only employed in the nba because of who their father was.
Just let it go Nintendo. Let the Wii U go. Shift over all development to PC close to benchmarks of the next console you want and only release what's left for Wii U (Zelda, Smash, Bayonetta 2, X, MK8) and then port over Zelda as a launch title for the new console.
Just let it go Nintendo. Let the Wii U go. Shift over all development to PC close to benchmarks of the next console you want and only release what's left for Wii U (Zelda, Smash, Bayonetta 2, X, MK8) and then port over Zelda as a launch title for the new console.
Psycho_Mantis
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I asked you a question and dodged it. Selling better than Xenoblade is not a big feat and in no one's books dictates a strong seller other than your warped definition.
Surely those shares a becoming worth less and less all the time now though?
I can't find it anymore. I remember it was posted on GAF a few months ago, but it was a short off-topic discussion in some huge thread.
Then he needs to grab his balls and say "I'm the CEO and I know what's best for this company" and not listen to the same kind of investor that wants Nintendo to go mobile.
The Abominable Snowman
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I'd rather not see another Nintendo console. Focus on a handheld that has TV Out.
DrROBschiz
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I really feel like Nintendo needs to simplify and streamline
Just look at the WiiU. Its a convoluted mess with no less than 4 cords popping from it. Supports several peripherals that all need batteries.... all of which drain them relatively quickly.
A serious lack of Commitment to provided a Smooth user experience, lack of unified content access, mountains of slow menus, Poorly implemented storage setup.
Im just hitting the tip of the iceberg. Of all of the systems it provides the SMALLEST bang for your buck which is counter-intuitive considering its backwards compatibility (which is totally botched and half assed)
The design philosophy of their entire ecosystem is over complicated and BROKEN and thats not just the WiiU but the Nintendo network and content distribution as a WHOLE.
End of story.
Metallix87
Member
The thing is, that market has yet to find it's "iPhone". All the current products in the market have failed to hit the potential highs that people see in the market.
We don't know what Nintendo is making, but we know it's hitting that market from a new angle, so I think we should at least wait and see what they offer before writing them off.
blankempathy
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This will probably go ignored, even by news sites.
lowrider007
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What I find upsetting about their Wii-U sales forecast is that it tells me that there probably won't be any drastic price cuts :-(
I always end up owning every Nintendo system but only when they reach what I consider a fair price and the Wii-U is far from that atm imo.
They need an ultra basic pack with just the Pro Controller @ £129, I'm desperate to play some of the titles out already but I'm not paying the price of admission for how basic the hardware is.
I always end up owning every Nintendo system but only when they reach what I consider a fair price and the Wii-U is far from that atm imo.
They need an ultra basic pack with just the Pro Controller @ £129, I'm desperate to play some of the titles out already but I'm not paying the price of admission for how basic the hardware is.
Nah, they have learned nothing, they deserve nothing.
And yeah, it should not surprise anyone. Everything related to this console has been a total disaster since the very beginning, just remember all the confusion surrounding Wii U at E3 2011. Fucking ridiculous.
Too much complacency, too much arrogance,and an astonishing level of incompetence, that's when really terrible things happen.
They have become stagnant, zero innovation, just relying on Zelda remakes and Mario 3ds ports. Neglecting core gamers,huh, neglecting 3rd party support,neglecting market, neglecting everything. They have the incredibibly talented Retro, so what? Another 2D platformer, cause Wii U hasn´t enough of them. Pathetic.
And now they think they can redeem themselves with that QOL thing? You have got to be kidding me, they are ignoring the market again. They have learned nothing.
It´s like they are trying to erase themselves from history. Oh well.
Or more and more, depending on the success of future Nintendo products.
Metallix87
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I "dodged" because I'm lacking data. I don't know when it launches, what kind of marketing push it gets, and where the Wii U will be when it launches.
dampflokfreund
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Terrible, just terrible. I love Nintendo but I think they well deserved. Wii U is completely targeting to a false market making neither Nintendo fans and hardcore gamers happy and gathering to the non excistent family/kids/casual player who have fled to smartphones or are using normal Wii.
There aren't *that* many rhythm games that require multitouch and an awful lot that don't. Okay, so it doesn't support DJMax Technika, and that's a shame. Beyond that, I'm struggling.
Wii U is where the bottom of the hill begins.
They could easily do that. Just need to sell built up inventory and make a new revision lacking a CPU
Edit:
I had to quote this because it sums up my thoughts as well. The 3DS as well is poor bang for buck sharing parts used by the Nokia Asha phones designed for third world countries.
Aizu_Itsuko
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The real problem is not the Wii U.
The real problem is how is Nintendo going to convince publishers and customers to invest in their next home console.
Other than capturing lighning in a bottle like they did last gen, they have been in a downward spiral since the NES. The moment they had any kind of competition, they started losing the market.
The real problem is how is Nintendo going to convince publishers and customers to invest in their next home console.
Other than capturing lighning in a bottle like they did last gen, they have been in a downward spiral since the NES. The moment they had any kind of competition, they started losing the market.
NeonZ
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Can you really call it a good launch when it had cratered by the third month? Even December had underwhelming numbers considering Nintendo's usual boost there.
DrROBschiz
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Exactly
You know why Smartphones and Tablets are taking over? Simplicity, Power, Value.
- You buy a WiiU
- Spend nearly as much as an Ipad
- Hook up 3-4 cords (including the gamepads separate charger wtf)
- Sit through hours of SLOW updates
- Trudge through slow confusing menus to set up internet and other options
- Pay 60 dollars for a game
- Sit through SLOW game updates
- Play for a few hours and then charge your shit/change batteries
Thats not even the end of the hoops Nintendo makes customers jump through to get to playing games.
Sammy Samusu
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Which is exactly why I expect it to push hardware, it's an unexplored audience on Wii U.
MH3U moved more systems than most of the Nintendo happy games.
People need to understand that if you are going against electronics giant or software overlord then it will generally cost you more to make a console, unless you cut corners somewhere. Just because Nintendo have zillions of warchest there's a low limit they can go price-wise.
Psycho_Mantis
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So then how can you claim it will be a strong seller? How does one reach that conclusion? MK, 3D world, Smash are strong sellers. Zelda may also be a strong seller. X is not.
Lets say it comes out in Q1 2015. Lets say Nintendo meets projections so there are 9 million wiiu's.
SenatorBot
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Apple's entering the same industry soon, they've got iwatches planned out this year that can do all the QoL things that every other company has been carving out right now in the market. Remember that Apple does not enter a new market unless they are 100% sure they have a winning formula. There's no doubt that even with the worst projections, due to Apple's popularity through the world. They will no doubt be the "iphone" of the industry and carve out a huge chunk.
I'm fairly optimistic Nintendo can recover from this and WiiU will surpass its projected sales from what I hear at gamestop's, conventions and the like a lot of people are holding on buying a WiiU until smash bros and a proper Zelda and I imagine many will see Mario kart 8 as the jumping on point, I'm not saying WiiU will become a huge success and become a contender, that ship has sailed I do think things will pick up though
Read the post again. I said release all those games for Wii U but also make a new console version of Zelda (such as Twilight Princess for GameCube and Wii).
I believe Bayonetta 2 might sell better than expected, as all the buzz and outrage about its exclusivity certainly must have drawn the attention of a lot of people (who might not have played the original). But of course, the total sales will nevertheless be terrible.
DrROBschiz
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The irony here is that Nintendo has clearly taken a lot of inspiration from Apple and yet has not implemented any of the modern lessons you could learn by observing them.
Metallix87
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I never said it WILL be a strong seller, I said it COULD be.
As for your scenario, missing the holidays by a few months would be bad, but I could still see it doing 500k worldwide.
We don't know what the QoL platform is. QoL means nothing in itself. It could be anything. It doesn't matter what Apple, Google or Samsung do, because there's no way to tell if what Nintendo plans to do is even remotely similar. It could be AAL. Apple doesn't do AAL, Google is researching AAL but doesn't have any products, Samsung might or might not be working on AAL. And even AAL itself is a huge and diverse market with many completely different products, including home automation, communication, surveillance, digital assistants, robotics and a billion other things.
Mihael Mello Keehl
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But you can claim it isnt. Lol hypocrisy to the MAX..
I wonder what Iwata wanted to do, and in what degree the board changed the direction of the console.
Hopefully the new unified approach to software-architectures that was mentioned will provide a better way to deliver a homogenous "nintendo experience" in terms of OS and online account management. They need a consumer friendly user interface, unified between the console and the handheld system, that combines the best of the two worlds.
SaintMadeOfPlaster
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I think they'll manage their projected goals, but not by much.
shinra-bansho
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Yeah, it's hard to tell. I think we were estimating something like 6M Wii Us in inventory.
Tales from my ass inventory -> cost of sales: 310K * 300 + 590K *130 => ~17B yen
Change in inventory balance ~18B yen??
What exactly are you saying is being ignored? The company would still be operating at a loss without those increased expenses. Those expenses may have been necessary to simply achieve the sales they have achieved.
It's not some sort of book value charge that needs excessive explanation. It's operating expense.
Thanks!
Don't worry, it's financial report season and every platform holder has its worries right now. There will be enough Vita is dead and Xbone too far behind PS4 posts to even everything out.