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[Busaiku]

And we're not even getting New 3DS outside of Japan this year.
This company...

 

[mclem]

I'll fight Iwata for screenshot rights.

I think that's the new-style Capsule, isn't it? My first thought was Jarateing an ice bucket challenge on him.

 

[Kyou]

Can you use other features, like web browser?

 

[TouchMyBox]

So now the 3DS is losing features so the n3DS can gain exclusive ones? This is bullshit.



Don't worry, Nintendo isn't trying to sell a new Wii U. The Wii U miiverse is safe.

So should they downgrade the game then?

 

[frankie_baby]

I wonder if other new3ds enhanced titles will be the same

 

[gerg]

So now the 3DS is losing features so the n3DS can gain exclusive ones? This is bullshit.

As others have said, it's probably due to RAM limitations that the n3DS doesn't have.

 

[ColtraineGF]

Really? Is that the case?

It's possible that the NFC module for the 3DS uses the same IR port which would be taken up by the CPP, so both can't be used at the same time.

 

[Vanillalite]

Just goes to show the old HW is old which makes me more pissed on the half step to the 3DSi model. Rather them just say fuck it and release a whole new system next year than the tint step up we are getting.

 

[mclem]

So now the 3DS is losing features so the n3DS can gain exclusive ones? This is bullshit.

If it is indeed RAM, then the 3DS would never have had the feature in the first place.

 

[nintendoman58]

...What.

If Nintendo keeps this up, they better have some kind of Ambassador program for the new 3DS as well! That or give everyone who owns a 3DS some kind of serious discount!

Because this is some terrible stuff right here.

 

[mrklaw]

I thought the OS had reserved memory to run the Internet browser or miiverse? So does that mean that devs can choose to use that memory for a game, preventing multitasking? That'd be pretty sucky if true

 

[InsaneZero]

So should they downgrade the game then?

It's better to get the game running at a smooth framerate than to keep the internet browser and Miiverse running.

 

[Kinsei]

So should they downgrade the game then?

Sure. Have improved graphics on the n3DS instead of a feature that's been standard on the 3DS for quite a while now.

 

[UncleSporky]

I dunno how the first page of this thread is so clueless, as if this was some kind of upsell attempt, jesus. Obviously it's because of memory/power upgrades on the new 3DS. SSB3DS pulls off the shit it does by consuming the memory normally reserved for the browser/Miiverse. Just the price you pay for dat 60fps 3D.

In a way, Smash might've been a major catalyst for the new 3DS.

I can just see them midway through development and they're like "shit guys there is no way we can get this to work on the 3DS's current specs and have any kind of parity with the Wii U version." So Nintendo bent their own rules and used up every system resource just to get it working, noting that they were having to push their own machine a little too far at this point.

 

[SmokyDave]

It's possible that the NFC module for the 3DS uses the same IR port which would be taken up by the CPP, so both can't be used at the same time.

Holy shit. That's what you get when you half-arse hardware and then slap bits on to patch it up later.

 

[Percy]

I'm really starting to hate that new 3DS

 

[Madao]

i'll gladly sacrifice miiverse for 60 fps.

the game itself has a screenshot tool so it's not like there's no way to get pictures.

 

[Somnid]

lack of memory, again Nintendo proves they only build hardware for as much power as they need at a time, and update with new version when the need arises

can you think about future proofing a little Nintendo?

man the west will have to wait a while for this N3DS

Future-proofing is a silly concept, you don't know what you need until you need it. Miiverse wasn't even a thing when 3DS came out.

 

[metalslimer]

They could have at least got the n3DS out in the west this year.

 

[InsaneZero]

I'm really starting to hate that new 3DS

Why? This tradeoff would've happened even without a New 3DS on the horizon.

 

[zruben]

not that I'm particularly angry (I don't really use Miiverse or the web browser, and I am buying a N3DS as soon as I can get one)... but still, that sucks.

 

[frankie_baby]

...What.

If Nintendo keeps this up, they better have some kind of Ambassador program for the new 3DS as well! That or give everyone who owns a 3DS some kind of serious discount!

Because this is some terrible stuff right here.

Is one (maybe a handful in the future ) game not being able to use one system feature th at wasn't even there at launch and one system feature that I imagine is rarely used that big a deal

 

[Maebe]

Hahaha. That's absolutely disgusting, nintendo.

 

[UncleSporky]

I'm really starting to hate that new 3DS

As if it's the new 3DS's fault that the current 3DS doesn't have enough RAM to run Miiverse alongside the game. Come on.

 

[Tenbatsu]

Why? This tradeoff would've happened even without a New 3DS on the horizon.

Yes, Capcom already did that with MH4 a year ago.

 

[Mpl90]

They could have at least got the n3DS out in the west this year.

I think it could have been the original plan, but then all those unsold units happened. That has to be the main reason we're not getting the revision this year in the West.

 

[J-Tier]

It's an old system. Why are some of you tripping out? Just be glad it isn't exclusive.

 

[sfried]

i'll gladly sacrifice miiverse for 60 fps.

They're probably using some of the system RAM to get things running smoothly, but because MiiVerse is a separate OS task it would need to close the game in order to load and post.

We would need to break down a New3DS in order to know what's really going on.

 

[Axass]

I dunno how the first page of this thread is so clueless, as if this was some kind of upsell attempt, jesus. Obviously it's because of memory/power upgrades on the new 3DS. SSB3DS pulls off the shit it does by consuming the memory normally reserved for the browser/Miiverse. Just the price you pay for dat 60fps 3D.

Quote for truth, simply not enough memory.

 

[Sammy Samusu]

OMGGG I hope Capcom does the same!

I need Monster Hunter 4 Miiverse!

 

[TheOGB]

...But we can still share pictures and replays in-game, so I'm alright with this

I realize that's not really the same, and saving to the SD card would be great, but I swear there's not much that can ruin my excitement for this game at this point

 

[Tenbatsu]

OMGGG I hope Capcom does the same!

I need Monster Hunter 4 Miiverse!

Get a new 3DS

 

[BGBW]

So are screenshot accessible from the SD card or the photo channel? Miiverse isn't the only option for uploading screenshots.

 

[linko9]

I dunno how the first page of this thread is so clueless, as if this was some kind of upsell attempt, jesus. Obviously it's because of memory/power upgrades on the new 3DS. SSB3DS pulls off the shit it does by consuming the memory normally reserved for the browser/Miiverse. Just the price you pay for dat 60fps 3D.

Right, it's not some crazy mystery. I'm personally glad they're using all the system resources available to make the game run as well as possible.

 

[chadboban]

Given what I've seen of smash 3ds, given that it manages to look as good as it does at 60fps even with the 3d on, I'm more than willing to sacrifice miiverse for a smooth running game.

Sucks for the folks who wanted to take screenshots and stuff though

 

[deltatheta]

I thought the OS had reserved memory to run the Internet browser or miiverse? So does that mean that devs can choose to use that memory for a game, preventing multitasking? That'd be pretty sucky if true

Yeah, this was posted in a New 3DS specs thread:

Those figures come from a picture of a dev 3DS took before launch. The 3DS has multiple memory region layouts. The 96MB+32MB layout is used to run debug builds, which uses more RAM than release builds. The layout used in retail units is 64MB+64MB, as explained at 3dbrew.org. There are three memory regions. Their sizes at the retail layout are:

- APPLICATION: 64MB - games are loaded here
- SYSTEM: 44MB - the home menu and "multitasking" applications are loaded here
- BASE: 20MB - OS processes and services/drivers go here

This means the 3DS browser can only use up to 44MBs of RAM (the home menu is unloaded when you load a multitasking application like the browser or miiverse).

So by not allowing MiiVerse/web browser/etc to run while playing, the game gets access to an extra 44 MB of memory (a 68% increase).

 

[Kazuma Kiryu]

Oh Nintendo...

 

[Sammy Samusu]

Get a new 3DS

Oh I will, but have they confirmed MH4U Miiverse?

 

[Bytes]

The web browser is useless, anyway. I tried to use it while playing MH3U to look up where to find certain resources and it fails to properly load any website, probably from a lack of RAM and/or processing power.

 

[Saro]

I now have even more reason to believe the 3ds is the reason why ice- climbers are cut from smash.

 

[Hip Hop]

i'll gladly sacrifice miiverse for 60 fps.

the game itself has a screenshot tool so it's not like there's no way to get pictures.

So you can upload at a later time you desire?

Then I really don't see the need of the outrage.

 

[Piccoro]

Was my first thought as well.
Instead of being outraged y'all should be glad it's not new 3ds exclusive :/
I'm pretty sure you can still upload the photos from your SD card, just no ingame webbrowsing. Nintendo can't just conjure additional RAMs out of thin air.

The ingame web browsing is actually necessary if you want to share pictures of a game to Facebook, Twitter, Tumblr: http://www.nintendo.com/3ds/image-share#section02wrap

 

[XenodudeX]

Hopefully the Wii U version will have it.

 

[Storm Kyleis]

According to the Miiverse community description, you'll be able to use Miiverse while Smash Bros. is running on the New 3DS.

Ok, this is beyond dumb.

Do we know yet if in-game screenshots and replays are in a readable format?

Nintendo can't just conjure additional RAMs out of thin air.

They should have made the game with the current RAM in mind.

 

[UncleSporky]

So you can upload at a later time you desire?

Then I really don't see the need of the outrage.

Yeah I'd like someone to test this just to be sure, whether through the 3DS image share site or just putting your SD card in a computer, but there should be a (minor inconvenience) workaround here.

 

[Starwolf_UK]

So, it's really a technical reason. Thus, I can't see civil protest doing that much

It means less Goku requests and Minecraft port begging...Miiverse is a depressing place...

It's possible that the NFC module for the 3DS uses the same IR port which would be taken up by the CPP, so both can't be used at the same time.

Nobody can use the NFC module until 2015. I don't see why they can't have an option to choose what the IR port is doing and not allow you to do both at once...it would be like how you can't use the internet browser or miiverse on a regular 3DS while playing the game...I'd rather have my cake and choose to eat it than be given no cake at all (I'll be telling Nintendo in the post play survey but given about 6 people own the CCP it probably won't go anywhere).

 

[UncleSporky]

The ingame web browsing is actually necessary if you want to share pictures of a game to Facebook, Twitter, Tumblr: http://www.nintendo.com/3ds/image-share#section02wrap

It's actually not necessary. All that does is post the pics from your SD card to the internet, you could take the card out and put it in your computer for the same effect.

 

[chadboban]

i'll gladly sacrifice miiverse for 60 fps.

the game itself has a screenshot tool so it's not like there's no way to get pictures.

Wuh? Then I really don't have much of a problem with it then. Are the screenshots saved to your SD card or something?

 

[Tenbatsu]

Oh I will, but have they confirmed MH4U Miiverse?

No idea, they don't have any for MH4 thou...

 

[Glass Rebel]

Wait for Nintendo to release an old3DS-exclusive app to share pictures on Miiverse rofl.