And even then, they usually sell more on Vita than on PS3.
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Ouya devs reveal sales figures
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And even then, they usually sell more on Vita than on PS3.
Interfectum
Member
I wouldn't know. The d-pad broke after 30 minutes of use, an analog stick no longer works and the face buttons only work half the time when pressed. Amazing craftsmanship.
It looks hideous but the new Xbox Controller doesn't look any better. Or are you talking about the technical quality of the thing?
On topic: The Ouya is a mess but I hope everyone involved gets away with a blue eye. And those sales number for one of their first exclusive games are horrible. :S
Did you got one of the early models?
Warm Machine
Member
Really, I do not think the Ouya is really worth it when MadCatz's MOJO microconsole is waiting in the wings. It has stock Android with Madcatz only doing the work to make the hardware and work out a method for mimicking the touch based functions of Android with a control stick. There is also Wikipad, which is a stock Android tablet with a controller add-on that could be used for it at the price of the Nexus 7. A microconsole or gaming tablet having own store is not going to be worth it when one could have the Google Play Store and the Amazon Appstore working on it.
So, you believe is worth it to develop for Ouya?
For a single person, this is a liveable annual salary by itself. Not too bad, considering he likely has other revenue streams.
And now the game has some buzz and will likely sell much better on other platforms.
Warm Machine
Member
Didn't say that. However, if you are building in Unity or have a good codebase that ports easily across multiple platforms it doesn't hurt to give the Ouya a version as long as you can do it within your budget and knowing what your sales are likely to be.
On Ouya you are guaranteed to land on the marketplace, by extension you are guaranteed a place on an Android marketplace as long as your game makes sense for touch. Then it is just the ability of the game to sell whatever copies it can. On PC, for example, you are not guaranteed a place on the bigger portals like Steam, or GoG.
Fox Mulder
Member
Using the Play or amazon market is great and all, but they're full of games already built for touchscreens. It'll still require devs to add support for controllers or port versions of their games for the hardware you listed.
All these devices are a tiny niche products that will fail until Google steps up and gets serious about Android gaming.
Yes, but that's not the devs Ouya targets.
Here's data from early June gathered from whichever developers replied to the emails sent:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AiKfqpS0mT-qdEZHeXRzeTRfdGxLWFJmOUVHMVpzd2c#gid=0
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AiKfqpS0mT-qdEZHeXRzeTRfdGxLWFJmOUVHMVpzd2c#gid=0
"We want the Amazing Frog audience/developers'
outunderthestars
Banned
Not sure how that is "shameless." How else would they generate revenue?
James Coote
Neo Member
In this case, I wouldn't attach such a huge part of that success to the platform choice. Mike Bithell (the guy who made Thomas was alone), spent months after he finished his game just doing full time PR, marketing and promoting it. In fact, I believe he even hired a guy just to do PR. He's on twitter all day every day. He's a fantastic self-promoter and great business/marketing guy, as much as he is an indie game developer
Wowsa, all these terrible sales figures - and this is before Ouya has published the instructions on how to root the device (which was promised, btw!).
Feel bad for the devs - but really how much extra is it to get on Ouya from Android? For a title like Organ Trail, seems like it would be really easy to just include gamepad support - it's still running on what is essentially an Android phone.
Feel bad for the devs - but really how much extra is it to get on Ouya from Android? For a title like Organ Trail, seems like it would be really easy to just include gamepad support - it's still running on what is essentially an Android phone.
outunderthestars
Banned
It's too bad that Towerfall didn't sell better, as it's already one of my favourite games of the year!
I got my Ouya a couple weeks ago, and after screwing around with it for a couple days, I decided to put it up for sale on Cragslist. While it was up there, I had a couple friends over, and we tried the demo for Towerfall with 4 players. I immediately took my ad down.
While I was initially hesitant about the $15 pricetag, after a couple games of the demo, I was throwing my money at it. We spent the rest of the night playing matches of Headhunter or 2v2 TDM. We even came up with a custom 3v1 mode where the one player starts with a shield and uber arrows, and the other 3 have to work together to take him down.
It was the best multiplayer experience I've had in years, and it's a shame that it's not widely available. I will definitely be double-dipping on an platform this comes out on.
I got my Ouya a couple weeks ago, and after screwing around with it for a couple days, I decided to put it up for sale on Cragslist. While it was up there, I had a couple friends over, and we tried the demo for Towerfall with 4 players. I immediately took my ad down.
While I was initially hesitant about the $15 pricetag, after a couple games of the demo, I was throwing my money at it. We spent the rest of the night playing matches of Headhunter or 2v2 TDM. We even came up with a custom 3v1 mode where the one player starts with a shield and uber arrows, and the other 3 have to work together to take him down.
It was the best multiplayer experience I've had in years, and it's a shame that it's not widely available. I will definitely be double-dipping on an platform this comes out on.
Coffee Dog
Banned
I still don't know why anyone put money into this. What did they hope to accomplish?
Yeah, and games that actually play better with controllers will likely support controllers. It's like saying that games that play better with mouse and keyboard on PC should support controllers. Neither Google nor Apple are going to step up to provide serious support for gaming because they make more profit off of focusing on more general purpose devices which happen to play games than a device focused on gaming. Even then, most of the iOS and Android devices out come with the touchscreen which is going to be the main focus like keyboard and mouse is the main focus of PC Games.
professor_t
Member
Meanwhile, the Vita's self-esteem skyrockets.
Yup with as much hype as towerfall got, if it was on steam at launch I bet his sales would have been closer to 20k than 2k.
nhlducks35
Member
Shahid (sony) reading the low numbers on ouya and developers desperate for money made on their games.
edit: heh
What I thought of:
James Coote
Neo Member
Looks like IGN is jumping on the bandwagon with some numbers of its own:
http://uk.ign.com/articles/2013/07/22/ouya-developers-reveal-modest-sales
http://uk.ign.com/articles/2013/07/22/ouya-developers-reveal-modest-sales
FonkyByNature
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Breathe !
Mad Bowser
Banned
Terrible
This is what happens when you have working emulators on your store, giving people the ability to play an endless amount of GREAT classic games pretty easily and for free (which is probably the main reason most people have picked up an OUYA). And lets face it, after trying a demo of most of the games on the store, why would you buy them? Most of the games for sale on OUYA right now are pretty crap. The few good ones, like Towerfall, will keep selling, especially if they lower the $15 price.
Ouya was always basically XBLIG:The Console.
sometimes i game
Member
Gotta keep in mind Tower Fall is a local multiplayer game that costs $15. That's a high price and specific game experience with local friends.
I think Ouya kinda ruined their shot though. Stigma and whatnot.
I think Ouya kinda ruined their shot though. Stigma and whatnot.
Sola Scriptura
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Seems that there are quite a few people on eBay who are looking to dump their Ouyas, and quite a few that already have. Sad.
lordchompy
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Shahid (sony) reading the low numbers on ouya and developers desperate for money made on their games.
edit: heh
"Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest."
Vita becoming the next digital $.99 store confirmed.
One can't compare OUYA business model to that of Sony's, Microsoft's, or Nintendo's. People doing that are clueless.
OUYA is not underpowered. It's capabilities fits its business model.
It's more like one have to look to mobile gaming business models, in order to evaluate OUYA's health.
a) Some devs are not expecting to profit. They just using OUYA to polish their dev (and publishing) skills in the field; Hence, the PS360 dev is not the OUYA dev.
b) Most games won't come close to make a profit;
c) Some games will become super hyped, usually using social networks, sell a ton of copies, 5 bucks each, than vanish and get completely forgotten; Talk candy crush.
d) Since every game is free to play, download to purchase ratio is relevant and that is usually ultra low.
d) When and if installed base becomes huge, ad funded games will be feasible.
I root for OUYA and I think it would be nice should they ditch the box and just ship the hardware embedded it with every TV, BD Player and others gadgets out there. I even think this is their goal.
OUYA is not underpowered. It's capabilities fits its business model.
It's more like one have to look to mobile gaming business models, in order to evaluate OUYA's health.
a) Some devs are not expecting to profit. They just using OUYA to polish their dev (and publishing) skills in the field; Hence, the PS360 dev is not the OUYA dev.
b) Most games won't come close to make a profit;
c) Some games will become super hyped, usually using social networks, sell a ton of copies, 5 bucks each, than vanish and get completely forgotten; Talk candy crush.
d) Since every game is free to play, download to purchase ratio is relevant and that is usually ultra low.
d) When and if installed base becomes huge, ad funded games will be feasible.
I root for OUYA and I think it would be nice should they ditch the box and just ship the hardware embedded it with every TV, BD Player and others gadgets out there. I even think this is their goal.
Absoludacrous
Member
All I got out of this was that the OUYA business model is centered around games bombing. I mean, I know that's the reality of it, but I doubt this was their plan going in.
Besides, their goals of embedding in other hardware or having ad funded games don't mean anything when all their hopes get crushed out of the gate.
There's no way to deny that its difficult to enter this market.
And, about the game bombing bit, a lot o devs work with the "Home Run" model.
You ship and advertise a bunch of games, one at a time, and you know all but one will get no traction at all. However, your model says that that one that got traction will pay and exceed the cost of that batch of games.
Rinse, repeat.
Devs in here seem cool headed and talk like it's an ongoing and learning process. There's no one pulling any hair off.
Yet.
Such tiny percentages actually paying to unlock the full game. I guess that's always the case but wow. Only 1% bought Wind Up Knight?!
rohlfinator
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Not saying these figures are good or anything, but I think comparing them to other platforms right now is a pretty specious argument. We're comparing companies who have been in the industry for decades and have millions (or billions) of dollars to throw around on marketing, vs. a company that basically didn't exist a couple years ago. Anyone thinking the Ouya would outsell even the Vita was setting an unreasonably high bar. It's going to be a slow burn sales-wise, the question is whether sales keep steady or just taper off.
That being said, these figures are still pretty disappointing. Some of these games (like Towerfall) have probably gained a good amount of exposure through being on Vita, even if that hasn't translated to sales yet. But there's no doubt that the hardware/software problems have dampened the enthusiasm for the thing quite a bit.
That being said, these figures are still pretty disappointing. Some of these games (like Towerfall) have probably gained a good amount of exposure through being on Vita, even if that hasn't translated to sales yet. But there's no doubt that the hardware/software problems have dampened the enthusiasm for the thing quite a bit.
Arya Stark
Neo Member
Because it's getting a bunch of shitty Android games? Yea, that's what people want on Vita. Sure.
What's a match3 type game?
Portugeezer
Member
Probably why Steam doesn't reveal its figures, I have a feeling sales outside of the top 10 are also underwhelming... but yes, it seems horribly low, Ouya install base is tiny though.
Dark Octave
Banned
Ah, then yes, I agree with you then.
I think you need to see a doctor. The Vita isn't a person.
GayForMaster
Banned
Not surprised at the numbers. It's not really an appealing console. I'd grab one in the future maybe just for dev purposes but I'm not sure when I'll give a fuck.
dreamghost
Member
OP is using the Turn 10 method.
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
If the conversion rate was better the sales wouldn't be that bad.
Valve doesn't release numbers because it encourages the 'me too' mentality that permeates the AAA space. Developers are free to talk about their sales numbers if they want to though, for the performance of unknown indie games on Steam you can see these sales for Dustforce:
For indie developers Steam still seems to be the most healthy.
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