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[Alucrid]

"Today, children are taught this at school: that everyone can choose their own sex."

"And why do they teach this? Because the books come from those people and institutions who give money."

Pope Francis added that he had discussed the matter with his predecessor, Pope Benedict, who still lives at the Vatican and described it as “the epoch of sin against God the Creator”.

more anti-transgender language at the link. perhaps the next pope will be more progressive.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/worl...hoice-as-an-annihilation-of-man-a3310646.html

 

[Dash_Riprock]

But he's supposed to be the cool pope!

 

[ElectricBlanketFire]

It's not a choice. That's the point, dingus.

 

[obin_gam]

For every ten good things GoodGuyPope says, there are always reminders he's still a catholic.

 

[John Dunbar]

being an awful person is part of his job description.

 

[jelly]

Can you choose to not get molested?

 

[Alucrid]

It's not a choice. That's the point, dingus.

i probably should have put choice in quotation marks for the title, that's what i get for copying from the article!

 

[Ovek]

To be fair what exactly did you think the Pope of all people would have said about transgender people.

 

[azyless]

Not surprising from him but people will still sing his praise next time he says something super progressive like "we shouldn't murder gays".

 

[?oe?oe]

Sex and gender are not the same thing.

 

[Alucrid]

To be fair what exactly did you think the Pope of all people would have said about transgender people.

well, i didn't think it would be labeling them as the "epoch of sin"

 

[Darksol]

Not surprising from him but people will still sing his praise next time he says something super progressive like "we shouldn't murder gays".

This

 

[17 Seconds]

he's a piece of shit

 

[Zakalwe]

Not a choice, my Pope.

 

[hey_it's_that_dog]

Pretty flimsy argument, at least in the excerpted text.

 

[obin_gam]

The funny thing is that they had a trans-pope way back when...

although it is only a legend. but whatevs

 

[nilbog21]

What an idiot. They should find the next pope on neogaf, where people what's up

 

[Wensih]

Not surprising from him but people will still sing his praise next time he says something super progressive like "we shouldn't murder gays".

The thing is you can hold both opinions of him.

 

[OnPoint]

Sheesh. That's... really pretty awful to say.

Not surprising from him but people will still sing his praise next time he says something super progressive like "we shouldn't murder gays".

Sadly, for some, that is progressive. I'm not defending the outdated thinking the church commonly supports, but continual baby steps will eventually carry them closer to an actual "love one another" place.

 

[Chuckie]

But he's supposed to be the cool pope!

Well even a cool pope is still a pope

well, i didn't think it would be labeling them as the "epoch of sin"

I think that was the uncool former pope who said that. I could be reading it wrong though.

 

[EmiPrime]

Not surprising from him but people will still sing his praise next time he says something super progressive like "we shouldn't murder gays".

Count on it. The way some fawn over him and whitewash his homophobia and transphobia is pathetic.

 

[Alucrid]

Well even a cool pope is still a pope



I think that was the uncool former pope who said that. I could be reading it wrong though.

it says that he supports the last pope's views

 

[Dryk]

If God doesn't want people having transgender experiences maybe he should pay more attention when creating them

 

[Ushojax]

"Today, children are taught this at school: that everyone can choose their own sex."

"And why do they teach this? Because the books come from those people and institutions who give money."

Yes, I'm sure the Catholic Church doesn't spend vast sums trying to influence what children read in textbooks. No sir.

 

[Chuckie]

it says that he supports the last pope's views

Yeah and he is a dick for that. I meant that the actual "epoch of sin" was said by that nazi pope.

Doesn't matter really...agreeing with it is just as bad.

 

[EmiPrime]

Yes, I'm sure the Catholic Church doesn't spend vast sums trying to influence what children read in textbooks. No sir.

Next you'll be telling me they run schools!

 

[John Kowalski]

A solemn reminder of how ill equipped most leaders are in these subjects, but nevertheless feel they must contribute to because of their political capital.

 

[BocoDragon]

"Old white people in Europe talk to God."

I don't care how nicely you package this myth, I don't care how many liberal gestures the current face of this institution makes.

It's an utter farce. Grow up humanity. This is a cult.

 

[Grug]

"And why do they teach this? Because the books come from those people and institutions who give money."

Lol. At least these books were written this millenium.

 

[LambdaTeos]

the sole idea of thinking the pope has actual power in some people makes me laugh

learned to not take that person seriously


it's an old dude, using a robe, speaking nonsense, does that sound crazy? yes it does, but he has gold and people kissing his feet..

 

[ElectricBlanketFire]

i probably should have put choice in quotation marks for the title, that's what i get for copying from the article!

Oh it wasn't directed at you. You're good.

 

[HazySaiyan]

At the end of the day the Pope's still the Pope. Disgusting but not at all surprising.

 

[Venfayth]

To think that transgender people choose their gender is to completely misunderstand what being transgender is. It's not as though transgender people chose to have gender dysphoria.

 

[DedValve]

Isn't gender not a choice though? Aren't people with dysforia born with the gender they are except it doesn't match their sex?

I might be confused on this but don't trans people not "choose" gender but simply choose to change their sex to match their gender. So sex being a choice but gender no?

I admit I'm woefully ignorant on this matter. Anyone who is transgendered could help me understand that'd be so great.

 

[azyless]

The thing is you can hold both opinions of him.

What opinions ? He's not progressive in any way, his views on LGBT and women issues are still the same old bullshit wrapped up in a slightly better PR package.

Sadly, for some, that is progressive. I'm not defending the outdated thinking the church commonly supports, but continual baby steps will eventually carry them closer to an actual "love one another" place.

Sure, baby steps are better than nothing, but I'm personally not going to celebrate someone for "baby steps" that should have been taken decades ago.

 

[Dryk]

Isn't gender not a choice though? Aren't people with dysforia born with the gender they are except it doesn't match their sex?

I might be confused on this but don't trans people not "choose" gender but simply choose to change their sex to match their gender. So sex being a choice but gender no?

I admit I'm woefully ignorant on this matter. Anyone who is transgendered could help me understand that'd be so great.

Essentially yes. But lots of people don't accept that this is a real thing that happens, despite the literature.

 

[Frankfurter]

Best pope not that good actually. Sad to read this.

 

[DontBeThatGuy]

Stop looking towards religious figures to teach you anything. (Rev. William Barber is kind of dope though)

 

[jediyoshi]

Sure, baby steps are better than nothing, but I'm personally not going to celebrate someone for "baby steps" that should have been taken decades ago.

I'm not sure how you reconcile the former with the latter. You artificially designed a response to something no one is asking of you just to disagree with it.

 

[DrunkShogun]

Stop looking towards religious figures to teach you anything. (Rev. William Barber is kind of dope though)

Exactly. Common sense and whatever religious book you believe in should be enough to get you through life.

 

[E92 M3]

he's a piece of shit

I'm not a Catholic, but he's obviously not a piece of shit and done more good for the world than you, I bet. Just because we don't agree with him, doesn't make him a piece of shit.

Certain things he can't talk about.

 

[HStallion]

What opinions ? He's not progressive in any way, his views on LGBT and women issues are still the same old bullshit wrapped up in a slightly better PR package.


Sure, baby steps are better than nothing, but I'm personally not going to celebrate someone for "baby steps" that should have been taken decades ago.

He is actually looking into female deacons. I think we had a topic on it like a day ago. Its not a given of course and I'm sure there will be a lot of push back from the more hardline conservative sections still in the Church but that would be fairly huge. Letting priests actually get married would be another big step in normalizing things in the church.

 

[OnPoint]

Sure, baby steps are better than nothing, but I'm personally not going to celebrate someone for "baby steps" that should have been taken decades ago.

I agree with you and am not arguing against this at all. The Catholic Church has been decades behind in terms of acceptance of basic human rights for probably as long as its existed.

 

[JimmyRustler]

What is he supposed to say? The bible is pretty clear in this issue.

 

[NoblesseOblige]

Stop looking towards religious figures to teach you anything. (Rev. William Barber is kind of dope though)

Archbishop Desmond Tutu is a religious leader with a good track record of supporting LGBT rights. Even as an atheist I often find myself curious enough to look at his input on things.

 

[Garrett Hawke]

I'm not a Catholic, but he's obviously not a piece of shit and done more good for the world than you, I bet. Just because we don't agree with him, doesn't make him a piece of shit.

Certain things he can't talk about.

Ehhhhhhhhh nah

catholicism is pretty sketchy. "Internally" dealing with pedophilia. Keeping poor families poor by banning them from using contraception thus encouraging them to have more children than they can support. Taking donations to fund ornate, privileged buildings right next to slums.

 

[OgTheClever]

It's not a choice. That's the point, dingus.

Why does it even matter if it's a choice or not? I've always found it an absurd argument against anything LGBT related.

 

[azyless]

I'm not sure how you reconcile the former with the latter. You artificially designed a response to something no one is asking of you just to disagree with it.

What ? I'm saying the whole "#BESTPOPE" thing is way overblown and celebrating someone for doing the absolute minimum he should do is wrong.

He is actually looking into female deacons. I think we had a topic on it like a day ago. Its not a given of course and I'm sure there will be a lot of push back from the more hardline conservative sections still in the Church but that would be fairly huge. Letting priests actually get married would be another big step in normalizing things in the church.

Good. He's also actively and vocally working against abortion rights and same-sex marriage, protecting church figures from child rape accusations, etc.

 

[BocoDragon]

He is actually looking into female deacons. I think we had a topic on it like a day ago. Its not a given of course and I'm sure there will be a lot of push back from the more hardline conservative sections still in the Church but that would be fairly huge. Letting priests actually get married would be another big step in normalizing things in the church.

Can't wait for this cult to adopt the gender equality standards of the wider culture of half a century ago. It might allow them to adapt and survive in the modern world and perpetuate themselves into the future, which will be just "great"..

 

[Spring-Loaded]

Why does it even matter if it's a choice or not? I've always found it an absurd argument against anything LGBT related.

That's because it is absurd

It sucks when the pope reminds everyone that he's catholic.