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R*'s PATHETIC port job: Bully 360 freezing (among other glitches) [PATCH NOW OUT]
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Psychotext
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How could the machine be set to do that by the game though... surely that gets controlled at an OS level??FlyinJ said:
Randy Lanzarote
Member
I never hear the fans on my 360 over the sound of the disc drive (unless its an XBox game and the drive is spinning at 6x)
Randy Lanzarote
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Surely the fans would be temperature controlled? My old Xenon 360's fans were pretty loud after exiting a game, after several minutes they'd start to slow down a bit.
Perhaps Bully isn't pushing the 360 all that hard, hence lack of fan speed? Maybe the crashing is just systematic of a bug that got through QC? (Any update on the PAL version of the game, last I read in this thread some guy in Oz had his game running flawlessly)
Perhaps Bully isn't pushing the 360 all that hard, hence lack of fan speed? Maybe the crashing is just systematic of a bug that got through QC? (Any update on the PAL version of the game, last I read in this thread some guy in Oz had his game running flawlessly)
Ok I just talked to one of our programming leads here about it.
The main cause of the fans kicking in is CPU usage. We think that Bully is only utilizing one core, thus the heat generated by the CPU wouldn't cause the fans to really kick in.
He said that, more than likely, only one core was utilized because it was a port. Enabling any more cores to increase performance would require a lot more programming work, so they most likely just stuck it all on one core for a quick port job.
So that's most likely why the fan isn't kicking in.
And it also explains why the game runs like shit in general.
The main cause of the fans kicking in is CPU usage. We think that Bully is only utilizing one core, thus the heat generated by the CPU wouldn't cause the fans to really kick in.
He said that, more than likely, only one core was utilized because it was a port. Enabling any more cores to increase performance would require a lot more programming work, so they most likely just stuck it all on one core for a quick port job.
So that's most likely why the fan isn't kicking in.
And it also explains why the game runs like shit in general.
SlasherJPC
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slewis7 said:
Good news! I still dont think the framerate is as bad as other have proclaimed. And I totally agree with you on the voicework. While the graphics are sub par at times, I think they did a really great job sprusing them up. The only thing that really sticks out is the polygonal count on people. Theres some odd shapes and angles.
squatingyeti
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Costanza said:
Bad coding does not mean the system is pushed. You can use 100% of the resources playing pong if you code it the right way.
Superblatt
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I wonder if a giant patch via Xbox Live would fix these issues. Or, if they're part of the very core of the code, there might be no hope.
SlasherJPC
Banned
ManaByte said:
So just do that saying your is glitched...(which is is) then take the new copy they give you and take it to walmart or target and get a refund on a unopened copy? Aye? or if they wont give you money back at least you get your 50 dollars value back for something else.
SlasherJPC
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ManaByte said:
Well do you have another gamestop you can go to take it back? and man that sucks, since when did walmart and target start doing that. I had to go take a birthday gift game back to Wally world because I already had it and no receipt so they let me exchange it for something else no problem.... hmmm
SlasherJPC
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ManaByte said:
Yeah but I have two in my city, I've returned a game opened saying its defective, got a shiny new shrink wrapped one, and then took it back to the other gamestop looking unopened. Granted I have only done this like twice and for extreme measures (I don't do this normally, eventually they would catch on anyways) Just trying to offer you some tricks to perhaps getting a refund of some sort back is all.
SlasherJPC
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Costanza said:
Hmmm not around here they don't. Hmmmmm
*Granted when I think about it I primarily shop at the one store and they treat me very well since I spend alot of money there so maybe they are more laid back with me*
After thinking about this a bit more, I've come up with a few scenarios:
One, it could be that there is a bug that is overriding the OS fan code, causing the fans not to run at full speed. This is pretty unlikely, but it is Mad Doc Software we are talking about here.
More likely, the game is only utilizing one core on the 360, as utilizing more than that would require them to actually have given a shit about the port and would need a lot more programming work. So, only one core is running, thus the OS doesn't kick the fans into high gear. Not many games utilize one core, and this game is constantly spinning the DVD drive which causes a bit of heat in the box as well. This could potentially be bad for the incredibly unstable 360 hardware.
Third option is the above is true, but the system itself is safe... and the random instability, audio glitching and hard crashes are simply just a really shitty programming job by Mad Doc, and should have never passed MS Cert.
What makes me nervous, however, is that I've never seen a game released on the 360 in such an unstable state. All of the crashes are random, which looks like the system itself is failing. And how could a game with this unstable of a codebase ever pass MS Cert?
The 360 test boxes we have at work are generally a lot more stable and less prone to red-ringing than the average consumer system. This is a combination of them all being replaced with the newest heat sinks (because the bad ones failed a year ago) and the others having that large fan casing over the harddrive. Very few of those have failed.
A scenario that may be likely is that MS Cert has much more stable and better cooled boxes, so they didn't notice the game crashing because of the heat generated by the main fans not kicking in.
One, it could be that there is a bug that is overriding the OS fan code, causing the fans not to run at full speed. This is pretty unlikely, but it is Mad Doc Software we are talking about here.
More likely, the game is only utilizing one core on the 360, as utilizing more than that would require them to actually have given a shit about the port and would need a lot more programming work. So, only one core is running, thus the OS doesn't kick the fans into high gear. Not many games utilize one core, and this game is constantly spinning the DVD drive which causes a bit of heat in the box as well. This could potentially be bad for the incredibly unstable 360 hardware.
Third option is the above is true, but the system itself is safe... and the random instability, audio glitching and hard crashes are simply just a really shitty programming job by Mad Doc, and should have never passed MS Cert.
What makes me nervous, however, is that I've never seen a game released on the 360 in such an unstable state. All of the crashes are random, which looks like the system itself is failing. And how could a game with this unstable of a codebase ever pass MS Cert?
The 360 test boxes we have at work are generally a lot more stable and less prone to red-ringing than the average consumer system. This is a combination of them all being replaced with the newest heat sinks (because the bad ones failed a year ago) and the others having that large fan casing over the harddrive. Very few of those have failed.
A scenario that may be likely is that MS Cert has much more stable and better cooled boxes, so they didn't notice the game crashing because of the heat generated by the main fans not kicking in.
Psychotext said:
Yeah, whatever the reasons are it's massive failure rate is too much for me. I don't know anyone with a 360 that hasn't encountered at least 2 RROD's, and then had to go through all hell trying to get it fixed.
Funny thing is, I felt the same way about the PS2, and then when I finally caved and bought one - Disc Read Error.
Not trying to be too fanboyish here, but I've never sent back a Nintendo system. It's one of the reasons their's are my first console bought each gen. It's nice to know that I can buy something at launch and not have to worry too much.
Psychotext
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There's lots of people that haven't had any problems with their 360 having issues with this game though... would point to sloppy coding more than anything, but yes... you wonder how this could get through cert.
Psychotext
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Amusingly the Wii I bought my mother has failed twice and my gamecube died. :lolhokahey said:
http://digg.com/xbox/This_is_absolutely_pathetic_Bully_SE_for_the_360_is_broken It's up to 24 diggs.. we can do better 
Psychotext
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But I'm too lazy to log in! :lol
monkspider
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Psychotext said:
That's true, I have a new Elite Falcon and have had absolutely ZERO problems until this game.
monkspider
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Psychotext said:
-edit double-postin' like woah.
backflip10019
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Shaheed79 said:
I really don't get the discrepancy between the consoles here. How is it that the Wii version is fine while the 360 version crashes like crazy?
I guess it must be a hardware thing.
http://www.maddocsoftware.com/index.htm Yep.FlyinJ said:
MaizeRage25
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If I continue to TRY to play this game, will it kill my 360? I saw the discussion above about it, but didn't see the conclusive verdict.
If there's any danger, fuck it, I'm going to finish The Orange Box.
If there's any danger, fuck it, I'm going to finish The Orange Box.
backflip10019
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Costanza said:
Jane's Attack Squadron? NO WAY! Best game ever.
monkspider
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Yeah, I say go for it. It shouldn't be any more damaging than any other game.MaizeRage25 said:
37 diggs now, keep it up!
http://digg.com/xbox/This_is_absolutely_pathetic_Bully_SE_for_the_360_is_broken
http://digg.com/xbox/This_is_absolutely_pathetic_Bully_SE_for_the_360_is_broken
MrTroubleMaker
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I'll give it a try later today, I hope its not to bad, and I hope they will be able to patch it.
monkspider
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Despite everything, I would still say it is a worthwhile purchase so 360 owners who already want it shouldn't let this hold them back. I wouldn't blame the people who are on the fence to wait for a patch though.
I gave you a digg Costanza.
I gave you a digg Costanza.