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Red Dead Redemption - 360 & PS3 comparison (Bish-approved!)
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Quincey said:
*cough*
Ars: http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2010/05/read-dead-redemption-360-vs-ps3-our-thoughts.ars
PC World: http://www.pcworld.com/article/196661/analysis_red_dead_redemption_on_ps3_vs_xbox_360.html
Easy Google search.
In sum: as with GTA:IV, buy it for the 360 if you own both consoles, unless you want to play multiplayer with PSN friends.
LovingSteam said:
HDMI vs. component makes almost no difference for the 360 -- you probably couldn't tell them apart even if you had them side by side.
The 360 version is definitely sharper, but if you have friends on PSN who will play the multi w/ you I'd stick with that version.
pr0cs
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See this postOmiee said:
LovingSteam said:
I mentioned this earlier. Apparently, seeing aliasing is an incredibly subjective experience. I got the 360 version expecting to have very little aliasing since supposedly it is 2xMSAA, and I am shocked at just how many jaggies there are. I have never played it on PS3 nor seen it in motion, so I can't comment on whether it is less or more on the 360, but in my eyes (which admittedly, are primarily geared towards PC games right now so maybe I've just been spoiled for too long), this game has really really bad aliasing, especially when buildings are a medium distance away. But it's a Rockstar open world game running at 720p, so I probably shouldn't be too surprised at this. Don't get me wrong, the game is gorgeous and I'm completely happy I purchased it, but the aliasing does bother me.
I am using a 360, HDMI, Samsung 1080p plasma, so I guess people can claim it's some screw up in my system, but if I were you, I would not exchange for jaggies alone, I would only exchange if the resolution were bothering me (admittedly, higher resolution means less jaggies, but I'm not sure how much of a difference 20% would really make.)
At least you can see your gun and donkey! My co-worker said there were times where the gun model didn't even show up, and he'd summon a donkey and see it marked on the map but it'd be invisible otherwise. :lolcoopolon said:
Funny that neither the Arstechnica nor PC World reviews mention frame rate. Maybe I'll jump...
Hypereides
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EviLore said:
Ouch, I pour a glass of wine for my fallen comrades. :'(
Rebel Leader
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Omiee said:
Same... I do hope a PC version as well would come out just because it should be enjoyed/hated by all :lol
Also, I added you over XBL.
Rebel Leader
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highluxury said:
it better be water.... we just spent a fortune on that wine
Takuan said:
There have been some comparisons here on framerate of both. A couple of the reviews have brought it up as well. But if you are looking for the nitty gritty analysis side by side you're going to have to wait for the DF or LoT compare.
miladesn said:
Pretty much at least for this genre and the IQ level here. I think Fallout 3 360 was 720p 4XAA, but certainly not as nice looking as this game.
Rebel Leader said:Same... I do hope a PC version as well would come out just because it should be enjoyed/hated by all :lol
Also, I added you over XBL.
at least than we can add 8x AA etc, but still im def gonna enjoy playing the game now and getting it later on pc if it comes out
lol imagine people riding donkeys and horses and a mod giving you a ferrarri or something.
Rebel Leader
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Omiee said:
I don't think many people will be riding donkeys because of the other name a donkey is called =3
lowrider007
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miladesn said:
Don't forget about morphological anti-aliasing (or edge smoothing).
Death Dealer said:
Sure it was more noteworthy and Remedy should have been straight with their info, they look bad in the eyes of some people now after not clearing the air.
Still, you can't expect certain people to not get zealous in their defence when other's purposely hone in on one point and relentlessly hammer it to push their agenda.
Happening in here too and it's what turns a useful comparison thread into a cesspool (and gets a whole bunch of people banned, ouch).
OldJadedGamer
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MLAA isn't a replacement for MSAA, it doesn't work well for all kind of surfaces and also color contrast affects it's performance. it's less effective in motion, see God of War III for example, it's very smooth when you're standing still but as soon as you move you can see the jaggies. From what I know it doesn't work for hiding the dithering effect caused by using A2C. For a game like RDR that has lots of transparencies (see all the foliage, trees, and the buildings/balconies) MLAA isn't suitable but GoWIII for example is a good fit. It depends on the game.lowrider007 said:
Haunted said:Jim's impressions are helpful. I went with the PS3 version because I don't have Gold and was a bit anxious, but it doesn't look like I'll have to worry too much.
This is no Bayonetta or Splinter Cell.
holy shit
Hope the bolded vets aren't perm'd.
Add SamBa to the list. I'm surprised by the number of bans to be honest. I expected some real trolling based on the number of bans and the the name of the thread but I couldn't find fault with most of the postings that led to bans. I just hope these were not permabans.
DevilWillcry
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So I'm almost finished with the PS3 version and I'd just like to :lol at people saying this is a "horrible port" or a "Bayonetta situation all over again" (that includes the usual PS3 drama queens) sorry guys this one has negligible differences (slightly lower resolution and more aliasing are the biggest differences). If you only have a PS3 pick this bitch up, it's a GOTY contender. If you have both platforms get the version you will play online, otherwise get the version with extra content .
Don't let all the "lolPS3lol" comments bother you, as most the people saying that are XDF and the PS3less. The PS3 version is slightly "worse", but the extra content more than makes up for some loose threads in a spectacular title. If you could stand playing Red Dead Revolver on PS2 over Xbox, this seems to be in line with that. But if you must have the "best" version wait for the PC version when it inevitably hits (>30FPS BETCHES)
. Don't let all the "lolPS3lol" comments bother you, as most the people saying that are XDF and the PS3less
. The PS3 version is slightly "worse", but the extra content more than makes up for some loose threads in a spectacular title. If you could stand playing Red Dead Revolver on PS2 over Xbox, this seems to be in line with that. But if you must have the "best" version wait for the PC version when it inevitably hits (>30FPS BETCHES) miladesn said:
Not to say it wasn't there, but I can't say I noticed such an artifact. I've read that MLAA isn't good for very thin objects, but otherwise should work well...
MSAA isn't technically perfect either (forgetting even the quality achieved at different levels of sampling), it would be easy to forget that. MLAA has its less than desirable corner cases too, but its 'highs' are very high...
miladesn said:
I may be wrong on this, but MSAA doesn't handle transparency AA either. It 'only' antialiases edges also. There are separate techniques that cover aliasing internal to polygons and transparencies, which can work in concert with edge-anti-aliasing techniques like MSAA or MLAA.
If you've easy access to a MLAA implementation, to just plug it in and try it, I think it makes sense for any developer to give it a whirl and compare to the MSAA (or Quincunx :|) alternatives and see what works best for your game. I think there's probably many cases where MLAA would be a win. Unfortunately I doubt RDR had this 'check'.
edit - actually, regarding MLAA and transparencies/'foliage'... I think it would actually net you aliasing within such textures. MLAA doesn't magically hone in just on polygon edges, it looks for any edges based on colour discontinuities etc. so that will include edges within textures.
Poor LordPhoque. He was just recently unbanned too. Guess he'll have more time to enjoy AW.Haunted said:Jim's impressions are helpful. I went with the PS3 version because I don't have Gold and was a bit anxious, but it doesn't look like I'll have to worry too much.
This is no Bayonetta or Splinter Cell.
holy shit
Hope the bolded vets aren't perm'd.
Can't believe devs are still having trouble doing decent ports to PS3 in 2010 when Sony's
1st party games are so much ahead technically. I know the game would be just as fun to play on the PS3 but there is no reason the two versions should differ that much. Was R* even trying to improve its engine on the PS3 since GTIV? Looks like not much was done from the comparison shots.
Well I'll be getting a used copy in fall sometime. Not worth the $60 for me when I'll get a worse version.
1st party games are so much ahead technically. I know the game would be just as fun to play on the PS3 but there is no reason the two versions should differ that much. Was R* even trying to improve its engine on the PS3 since GTIV? Looks like not much was done from the comparison shots.
Well I'll be getting a used copy in fall sometime. Not worth the $60 for me when I'll get a worse version.
TheOddOne said:
Hi TheOddOne. Explain yourself.
I don't read NeoGAF enough these days to know the meme, but if it's a comparison of FM to GT, it doesn't even really work when we're talking about the blurry washed out look of the PS3 RDR vs. the 360 one. Are you saying FM is blurry or has a washed out look?
I dunno, I'm just going purely by the screenshots posted in this thread and making the assumption that they're accurate. But if it's the same syndrome as GTAIV on PS3, then yeah, I think it's a safe assumption on the IQ comparison.
Anyway, looks like he got punted. Oh well.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
miladesn said:
There's quite a few console games that do 4xAA at 720p as well ..
http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?p=1113342
Zeliard said:
Right, but I have a gaming PC and I'm normally patient about delayed PC multiplatform releases, we just haven't had an announcement about a PC version of RDR and I allowed myself to be hyped a bit by the launch frenzy.
If this sort of scenario starts happening more often I'll get a 360, yeah.
DevilWillcry
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All depends on your priorities. Loud shoddy hardware, a controller you're not used to (assuming you're coming from PS2 or PS3), etc. Or having a multiplat game that has better grass along with other minor improvements :lol. I remember when the Xbox versions of multiplats had additional visual effects and consistently better framerates over their PS2 counterparts and no one gave a shit. What's the deal now? The gap between multiplats is smaller than ever. Is it because the PS3 and 360 are so much closer than the Xbox and PS2 were?Zeliard said:
Buy a console for the features/games only that console can do. If better grass and a few more frames per second in multiplats count as "exclusive features" to you, then you may want to think about moving to PC gaming :lol. Sheesh at people buying systems for games they can already play. It's not being an "informed consumer" making the "best investment" it's pissing money away for SyzTeM WarZ.
EDIT: However if you already own both systems and are trying to decide which version to buy. I'd buy it for which ever console you already have the most invested in (online freinds, Achievements/Trophies, controller preference). I know "duh" but it seems like many people need to be reminded of this every time a major multiplatform game releases. Better grass and what not should never be a deal breaker. My post was directed at those that are thinking of buying an additional system for a multiplat game.
mescalineeyes
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Zeliard said:
exactly what I did. came for the better multiplats, stayed for Halo :lol
oh and btw. the framerate isn't anything to write home about on the 360, either. can't imagine the ps3 being a lot worse.
Picked up the 360 version today. Knowing that it's about the same issues as the PS3 had with GTA4 informed that decision.
I'll probably double dip when the PC version comes out. The true version where I can take screenshots with fraps.
I'll probably double dip when the PC version comes out. The true version where I can take screenshots with fraps.
DevilWillcry
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You bet it is. That's $100 you are paying to play a game you can already play. Just because of a few frames per second and less aliasing? Is that ever worth $100? Now if some 360 exclusives have caught your eye or you want to get into LIVE then by all means pick a 360 up. I finally got one myself for Alan Wake as well as some other exclusives. Completely happy with the thing. But I find it hard to believe that people with perfectly good PS3s would go out and buy a 360 for better anti-aliasing and a few frames per second advantage in multipats :lol. For the price of both consoles together you could probably get a gaming PC that runs any games from a major 3rd party better than the consoles. It's better than buying two consoles.Chrange said:
Truespeed
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dakster said:
Every Rockstar PS3 game is hidden from the media and never shown publicly. They're clearly embarrassed by their PS3 games. Can't really blame them, though. You always want to show off your game in the best possible light. I have nothing against inferior ports just as long as you adjust the price to account for the lack of effort you placed in developing the PS3 version.
OldJadedGamer
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Truespeed said:
Who is to say they didn't put the exact same effort into each version of the game? If I put in the exact same effort into driving two different cars, the results will be different... but not because of the effort I put into it.
DevilWillcry
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Hey choosing which platform to buy a multiplat on usually comes down to the advantages the hardware of the consoles themselves have over eachother. But I don't want to derail the thread so I'm done with that. I just think it's funny how people argue over "sub-HD this, better grass this, aliasing, bleh bleh bleh" when we know a PC version is going to hit (It's the RAGE engine, don't doubt it) that addresses all these issues and improves performance. The console wars stuff just seems kinda pointless knowing that. But hey that's not here yet anyways. I'm not looking to fuck up the thread, so I'm out. Just wanted to give my 2 cents on these platform differences everyone is up in arms about. Still say controller preference, Trophies/Achievements, and online freinds should always dwarf any graphical differences every timeesc said:
I read the first 3 pages and still had no idea which was the better version. In fact for a good while I thought that GIF in the second post was real...
Reading this last page has confirmed what I thought before entering the thread though. Each version has its ups and downs and the only people who get their panties in a twist are the brand specific console warriors.
Reading this last page has confirmed what I thought before entering the thread though. Each version has its ups and downs and the only people who get their panties in a twist are the brand specific console warriors.
DevilWillcry said:Hey choosing which platform to buy a multiplat on usually comes down to the advantages the hardware of the consoles themselves have over eachother. But I don't want to derail the thread so I'm done with that. I just think it's funny how people argue over "sub-HD this, better grass this, aliasing, bleh bleh bleh" when we know a PC version is going to hit (It's the RAGE engine, don't doubt it) that addresses all these issues and improves performance. The console wars stuff just seems kinda pointless knowing that. But hey that's not here yet anyways. I'm not looking to fuck up the thread, so I'm out. Just wanted to give my 2 cents on these platform differences everyone is up in arms about. Still say controller preference, Trophies/Achievements, and online freinds should always dwarf any graphical differences every time
You know, stating the obvious doesn't really mean you have a point.
Also, if we're going to compare ports, the PC version of GTA4 was extremely disappointing when it came to performance. The latest patch helped a little and cleaned up shadows, but it's still a sub-30fps mess when you've cranked up details on high-mid machine (Q9550 3.8GHz, 4870x2). So I wouldn't count on the PC version to save the day. It'll certainly look better but hopefully we'll get something much more optimized.
EviLore said:
it depends on the situation i mean in this situation u cant just get the pc version and avoid it ( even though i see a pc version being released maybe later this year ), but with most multiplats they are on par with the 360 version in the rare case that isent u could go for the pc version and avoid it all together.
god dam, amazon is dispatching my game soon so i cant cancel it and choose the 360 version.
ah well ill just go for the ps3 version i mean i dident even have a big prpblem with gta 4
DevilWillcry said:So I'm almost finished with the PS3 version and I'd just like to :lol at people saying this is a "horrible port" or a "Bayonetta situation all over again" (that includes the usual PS3 drama queens) sorry guys this one has negligible differences (slightly lower resolution and more aliasing are the biggest differences). If you only have a PS3 pick this bitch up, it's a GOTY contender. If you have both platforms get the version you will play online, otherwise get the version with extra content
Don't let all the "lolPS3lol" comments bother you, as most the people saying that are XDF and the PS3less
Awesome post.
So the only people turning this thread to shit are XDF.
Oh, and don't buy the 360 version because the PC version will be better.
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