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[FlyinJ]

I've never installed something to a USB stick.

Does the 360 OS actually allow for a game to be installed on two different devices?

I figured that installing a game would require the whole thing to be put onto a single device. How does the 360 know that one disc is in one location while the other disc is in another?

Are we assuming that with GTA5 in particular, Rockstar requires the install, so where they put the mandatory install is agnostic to the usual "install the disc" location the OS uses? Then you're techincally only installing one disc and that disc is going on the USB stick location instead of the HDD?

 

[José Mourinho]

I forgot to install the play disc in the beginning and only done it yesterday. Haven't noticed a difference.

 

[painey]

announcing this the day before release is pretty shitty - too far gone for people to cancel their internet pre-orders. I think I will install anyway, I just cannot deal with the 360's noise

 

[JackAubrey]

The DF video isn't very useful.

It's using the intro titles that quickly jump from location to location, so suddenly have to stream new data quickly at each edit.

Just travelling around in the game doesn't seem to show the same problem.

 

[Wind's Howling]

This makes me more glad I am getting the PS3 version if they have you choose between Disk Noise vs more Pop-in.

Wtf Rockstar.

 

[Oni Jazar]

I've read (and seen in a Korean comparison) that the 360 has slightly higher res textures in the environment.

So there seems to be a tradeoff to whichever version you get

Link?

 

[nkarafo]

Come on ppl, we need feedback on the HDD install + USB play combo.

Playing using the DVD drive is simply not a viable option.

 

[Omni]

Link?

Non-spoiler screenshots.

Very little difference, if at all. But I think the 360 has the slight, slight edge

 

[Pagusas]

Non-spoiler screenshots.



Very little difference, if at all. But I think the 360 has the slight, slight edge

Thats pretty noticable to me, but an understandable compromise to keep the performance even, especially with the problematic PS3 memory setup.

 

[antibolo]

Wait the game has a mandatory install on the 360? I thought that Microsoft didn't allow that? How will it work for non-technical folks who own a 360 with no hard drive and no USB storage attached?

 

[SonicXtreme]

Wait the game has a mandatory install on the 360? I thought that Microsoft didn't allow that? How will it work for non-technical folks who own a 360 with no hard drive and no USB storage attached?

they can buy a USB stick, it's not that big of a deal. $5-$10 for an 8 gigger?

 

[BigDug13]

The-fix-it-so-people-with-noisy-disk-drives-can-install-it-without-pop ins-so-they-can-enjoy-the-game... patch.

I guess I just don't understand how Microsoft's console design is Rockstar's problem. The 360 is capable of streaming from optical and HDD at the same time so Rockstar decided to take advantage of it for their game.

Wait the game has a mandatory install on the 360? I thought that Microsoft didn't allow that? How will it work for non-technical folks who own a 360 with no hard drive and no USB storage attached?

You can't play this game without a HDD. People who own the consoles with no HDD won't be able to play this game.

Both companies approved this game knowing that they have a user base not capable of playing it.

 

[digoutyoursoul]

Non-spoiler screenshots.



Very little difference, if at all. But I think the 360 has the slight, slight edge

Minuscule at best and good news for everyone.

 

[Pagusas]

Wait the game has a mandatory install on the 360? I thought that Microsoft didn't allow that? How will it work for non-technical folks who own a 360 with no hard drive and no USB storage attached?

They HAVE to buy a usb stick in that case, its clearly labeled on the package.

 

[antibolo]

EDIT:

They HAVE to buy a usb stick in that case, its clearly labeled on the package.

Ah OK, I guess it makes sense then. Nevermind.

 

[Pagusas]

That's not the point.

Nvm, I see you replied.

 

[Mikey Jr.]

Non-spoiler screenshots.



Very little difference, if at all. But I think the 360 has the slight, slight edge

360 shots are better. No doubt about that. But it seems so slight that it won't tip me over.

Free MP on PS3 is still the biggest factor for me.

 

[BigDug13]

Never mind.

 

[SonicXtreme]

That's not the point.

they bought a cheapass 360, not suprising you don't have the memory to do everything. there's plenty of shit you can't do with an arcade system unless you invest in usb sticks. i have no problem with ms offering more options to the consumer it's good, it's not their fault if they purchased the wrong system for their needs

 

[Dukey]

My 360 slim is dead silent when the disc isn't spinning, and only slightly louder when it is. I'll gladly heed their advice.

 

[Neuromancer]

Wait the game has a mandatory install on the 360? I thought that Microsoft didn't allow that? How will it work for non-technical folks who own a 360 with no hard drive and no USB storage attached?

Halo 4 also had an HDD requirement (for MP.)

 

[ironcreed]

Well, I have it pre-ordered on PSN. Hopefully this will not be an issue.

 

[SonicXtreme]

360 shots are better. No doubt about that. But it seems so slight that it won't tip me over.

Free MP on PS3 is still the biggest factor for me.

live gold is free ATM if you use google. for most of the past 2 years it's been available for either $1 a month or free. but now there's definitely an easy way to get a free month on any silver account.

 

[mrklaw]

hopefully digital foundry are testing this on PS3 as well. Presumably this is due to the HDD being heavily used in normal gameplay, so the additional burden of the play disc being on the HDD is too much. But I wouldn't have thought the PS3 HDD is much faster than Xbox, so wouldn't it be susceptable to the same issues?

Or maybe the digital versions take this into account somehow. Does this have a full digital option on Xbox?

 

[bj00rn_]

How about installing it on an external USB HDD..Would that work?

 

[SomedayTheFire]

Thats pretty noticable to me, but an understandable compromise to keep the performance even, especially with the problematic PS3 memory setup.

Yeah it's very noticeable in those shots, but that's nothing when you're in game.

 

[FyreWulff]

Wait the game has a mandatory install on the 360? I thought that Microsoft didn't allow that? How will it work for non-technical folks who own a 360 with no hard drive and no USB storage attached?

Been allowed for a while now.

 

[Mikey Jr.]

live gold is free ATM if you use google. for most of the past 2 years it's been available for either $1 a month or free. but now there's definitely an easy way to get a free month on any silver account.

Yeah, but still. No point really going through that hassle.

Also, my 360 doesn't have wifi. So mehhhhhh.

 

[AkuMifune]

Well, I have it pre-ordered on PSN. Hopefully this will not be an issue.

It's possible. If they also optimized the PS3 version for disc streaming and never considered that the digital version would suffer. But it would be less of an issue as blu-ray streaming bandwidth is much smaller than that of the 360's standard DVD drive. iirc.

But yeah, hopefully with the digital PS3 version this was considered beforehand.

 

[Dzidza1978]

I will see tomorrow how digital version on ps3 is behaving, at least on ssd drive.

 

[d00d3n]

Non-spoiler screenshots.

Very little difference, if at all. But I think the 360 has the slight, slight edge

I want to unsee these screenshots. The 360 seems to have noticeably better graphics. I am kind of regretting my psn buy after this ... Well, at least I will be able to enjoy the game without a spinning disc drive.

 

[mrklaw]

live gold is free ATM if you use google. for most of the past 2 years it's been available for either $1 a month or free. but now there's definitely an easy way to get a free month on any silver account.

thanks for reminding me - I have an annual office 365 subscription so I just registered for the free year of live

 

[Palette Swap]

I'd be surprised if there were issues with the PS3 digital version. Something like this would have been easily spotted while testing it.

Business wise, it wouldn't be unheard of. AFAIK MS did exactly that with Halo 3 digital: they released a digital version of the game that was equivalent to copying the disc on your HDD, without any optimization, while at the time the install feature came out, Bungie had explicitly stated it would bring performance down.

Technically I guess it all depends on how much available bandwidth a stock PS3 HDD has compared to a 360 HDD. I'm writing "stock" because you can change your PS3 HDD and that could factor in?

 

[Fried Food]

I'm going to be using a flash drive for the mandatory install so whatever

 

[Baldwin_the_First]

I bet it got asked already, but I need to ask it again real fast, could the digital version on PSN cause the same problems too?! Or is there nothing to worry about?

 

[ironcreed]

I bet it got asked already, but I need to ask it again real fast, could the digital version on PSN cause the same problems too?! Or is there nothing to worry about?

We don't know yet.

 

[Fried Food]

Those screen shots are irrefutable. I'm glad I went with the 360 version.

 

[Baldwin_the_First]

We don't know yet.

Well shit, thanks for the answer.

 

[Liquidsnake]

Those screen shots are irrefutable. I'm glad I went with the 360 version.

So with that in mind, and saving me two pages of sifting; my pre order for the 360 was the correct choice?

Just don't install the second disc?

 

[Ovid]

Well, this is an interesting development.

Thanks for the heads up.

 

[Khezu]

Eh. I'm still gonna install it.

Pop in sucks, but my xbox is really fucking loud.

 

[RdN]

We need someone to test the HDD + USB Flash drive theory and see how's the performance.

 

[notoriousKTR]

Yea, this is not a bug, but by design.

You're reading data from two different sources on the same media. The HDD head will have to jump back and forth between the two and access time will result in slow loading of models and textures.

Only solution I can think of if R* had a full install option in the beginning, therefore the two sources would be in the optimal sequence.

 

[Estocolmo]

- Is it possible to patch this issue so you can install the game without these pop-ups problems post release?

- How come Rockstar made it better running from the disc and not from the harddrive, which will mean loud sounds from the Xbox 360? Only Crackdown and Halo 3 have made this earlier, but those games were old. No Rockstar game is recommended to not install on the hard drive.

 

[StuBurns]

- How come Rockstar made it better running from the disc and not from the harddrive, which will mean loud sounds from the Xbox 360? Only Crackdown and Halo 3 have made this earlier, but those games were old. No Rockstar game is recommended to not install on the hard drive.

It's not the disc or the HDD, it's the disc and the HDD.

 

[ironcreed]

Yea, this is not a bug, but by design.

You're reading data from two different sources on the same media. The HDD head will have to jump back and forth between the two and access time will result in slow loading of models and textures.

Only solution I can think of if R* had a full install option in the beginning, therefore the two sources would be in the optimal sequence.

So, the digital version on PSN should be fine, right?

 

[TheContact]

Does this work the same on ps3?

 

[slicedmass]

- Is it possible to patch this issue so you can install the game without these pop-ups problems post release?

- How come Rockstar made it better running from the disc and not from the harddrive, which will mean loud sounds from the Xbox 360? Only Crackdown and Halo 3 have made this earlier, but those games were old. No Rockstar game is recommended to not install on the hard drive.

The DVD drive provides Rockstar with an additional ~16MB/s bandwidth for streaming data to memory. Its a design choice, do as I have mentioned earlier and install the optional play disk to an external USB HDD or Memory stick.

 

[Ploid 3.0]

The PSN version better not have this problem. Any Australia players have the PSN digital version?

 

[notoriousKTR]

So, the digital version on PSN should be fine, right?

Yes, because it is in the optimal sequence. In other words, when you install two discs separately, it is treated as two different sources. But when you digital download, it treated as one source.