longdi
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I dont think Coh2 is unoptimised, sure it runs better on AMD cards, but if you want unoptimised RTS you should look at RA3, that shit slow.
Coh2 runs fine on my 7970 OC and the built in benchmarks are tougher than actual game.
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(Rumour) AMD R290x (9970) benchmarks leak - faster than Nvidia Titan
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I dont think Coh2 is unoptimised, sure it runs better on AMD cards, but if you want unoptimised RTS you should look at RA3, that shit slow.
Coh2 runs fine on my 7970 OC and the built in benchmarks are tougher than actual game.
Assuming you mean Red Alert 3, it's capped at 30fps.
LabouredSubterfuge
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The lack of Titan/780 owners in this thread is amusing. I own a 680 and I aint even mad.
I'm a GTX780 owner and I think these cards (as rumored) are a good thing because competition always is.
Nonetheless my GPU is excellent so I have nothing to worry about.
even if it has the same memory frequency as a 7970, the card would be looking at a memory bandwidth of 352GB/s. that's 352GBs of data that can be pushed from the card per second or 6GBs of data per frame at 60FPS (for reference, that's 1.2GBs more than titan and twice as much as GPU in the PS4).
of course, that data has to be processed first. which is what the rest of the GPU is doing.
It's funny that on the PC side you dont have to use any sort of mathemagic to arrive at those kind of numbers. Like I said in the other thread, that 512b bus has me shocked.
Not to be a party pooper or anything, but are we really surprised? The 700 GeForce cards came out around four to five months ago, and were based on an architecture that is now 18 months old, so I would have been surprised if AMD hadn't beaten the Titan with this card. It's unfair to do an apples to apples comparison of any card at the moment because of this alternating release cycle, as you'd expect the card that came out later would be better.
Now the issue of price will determine if AMD has done well or not. If this is priced at the same as a Titan, it'll be a bit whatever, because of what I've mentioned above. If it's this sub-600, then AMD have had a major coup. So until we know the price, I'd be reserving judgement. Same goes for when NVidia releases their 'Maxwell' cards, but at least then we'd be seeing new architecture vs new architecture.
Now the issue of price will determine if AMD has done well or not. If this is priced at the same as a Titan, it'll be a bit whatever, because of what I've mentioned above. If it's this sub-600, then AMD have had a major coup. So until we know the price, I'd be reserving judgement. Same goes for when NVidia releases their 'Maxwell' cards, but at least then we'd be seeing new architecture vs new architecture.
longdi
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longdi
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$600?
for $600, you get a Titan killer and also BF4 and 2 more games free....
#LeaveNvidiaAlone
Comparing cards is fine, that's how it always works. Nvidia will probably gouge less and will release the full Titan. Thank you based AMD, err competition.
Fair enough, just reading some of the posts and people are absolutely flabbergasted that the newer card would beat the older one. I'll be saving my post for when Maxwell releases, because the same will apply yet again.
yeah. it's weird how much AMD were talking up the size of their chip when if these leaks are true, the real story is the density.
Chance Hale
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At launch most artillery strikes would send the framerate crashing to around 15 FPS with max settings aside from AA at Medium. That's with a GTX670, there are much better looking RTS games that also run much better. Game doesn't look massively improved over the first to be worth such terrible drops. Perhaps it's been adjusted since launch though. Need to get back to playing it.
Absolutely, why wont the same rules apply then? I'm a bit perplexed at this logic.
LiquidMetal14
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Oh my. This would be hot. AMD has a lot of heat coming into next gen with the consoles using their parts. If I can get 2 Titan level and better cards from AMD for around 600 then I am back on the red team.
I hope those benches are true because nvidia has had it easy for far too long.
I hope those benches are true because nvidia has had it easy for far too long.
@300fps.
if they're already losing out to a smaller chip with lower power consumption on 28nm, their only real option will be to wait for 20nm or create some gargantuan monster beast chip and sell it for a grand again.
i'd expect some titan XXXL stop-gap followed by 20nm maxwell a little later than planned.
for all the hype around 20nm, if these benchmarks are true, the big news here is that engineers are still finding a way to increase chip density at a time when there were fears that we'd hit a brick wall with current fab processes. is it simultaneously great news now and makes 20nm even more exciting as a prospect.
hemtae
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Wait, where did we get power consumption numbers?
GoofsterStud
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Hope it's true...we could really use some competition.
Yes.
OldAsUrSock
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Lol, coding to the metal is a myth.
If it's $600 why would NV drop the price of the 780 at all? There has been (and still is) a $100 price difference between the 7970 GHz and 680 GTX. The 7970 is faster in most cases ... and has more VRAM.
I guess my point is, if a $100 difference wasn't getting NV to budge why would $50?
copelandmaster
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Kay... this is to be expected, quite honestly.
Titan was way back in February, 780 was beginning of June. Buyers of these two cards should have no reason to be mad, unless they literally bought them less than a month ago, and were really reluctant about parting with their money.
As an owner of a 780, not mad, honestly don't care.
What would make me mad is if Nvidia rushed out Maxwell for winter/spring on 28nm in response to AMD's new cards. It would suck to wait until 2015 for 'Real' Maxwell.
Titan was way back in February, 780 was beginning of June. Buyers of these two cards should have no reason to be mad, unless they literally bought them less than a month ago, and were really reluctant about parting with their money.
As an owner of a 780, not mad, honestly don't care.
What would make me mad is if Nvidia rushed out Maxwell for winter/spring on 28nm in response to AMD's new cards. It would suck to wait until 2015 for 'Real' Maxwell.
AdmiralPain
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Agreed, bring on the price wars!
OldAsUrSock
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Nvidia does not even try to out price AMD. They just overprice all of the time, unless you think PhsX and GPU boost are worth the extra cost.
Carmack said something to that effect once. You'll probably get somewhat better textures on PC (see Crysis 3), as well as some better shader effects, but you're pretty much spot on. PC games will continue to be following the console targets. Fortunately the consoles, because they're more like PCs, will be able to have some of their optimizations backported to PC. So hopefully that helps out. I know the PC version of Planetside 2 in particular will benefit from the PS4's multithreading work, the devs said as much.
We dont know the price but based on the comments of an AMD executive, they seem to be going to be relatively (compared to Titan/690) priced competitively. The number of DRAM chips on board suggest it's 512bit.
Besides that, didnt people at overclock.net claim that Nvidia was not getting reviewers to do 4K benchmarking? And they turned out wrong.
Yeah, I wouldnt trust them.
(I'm not saying these benches are true either)
grosvenor_92
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Please don't be too expensive
What's impressive is that this card supposedly outperforms a Titan with 30% less die size and is more efficient on the same process node. A lot of the big leaps in GPU performance are due to a process shrink that allows them to fit more transistors in a tinier die. That has nothing to do with the leap from the 7000 series to the RX 2XX series.
https://twitter.com/repi/status/381427050252234753
about as close to confirmation as we're gonna get until wednesday. controlled leak?
Just look at this.
This game is a fucking monster. :lol
insane. how is that possible? if i recall it didn't look that much better than COH1
Doesn't work like that.
Nikodemos
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nVidia did it before with their 192-bit bus cards, so it isn't really a new configuration.
Felix Lighter
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It would be wonderful if true and they price it well. I'll likely hold out to at least see Maxwell but it's always better when there's solid competition.