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Rumour: Marvel have struck a deal with Fox for Fantastic Four film rights
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I continue to be mixed on the X-men movies. I acknowledge that they're well-made...
... But at the same time, if you're a fan of characters other than Wolverine, Xavier, Mystique, or Magneto, there's a really high chance the character will be altered beyond all recognition in the transition.
They have the characters (Storm, Cyclops, Rogue, Havok, Juggernaut, Colossus, etc.), they have their names and their powers, but the personality traits they possess in the comics are often largely absent. Key relationships that define them are missing. They're there to fill out rosters and make fans go "ooh, that's Kitty Pryde! I know her!" but almost none of them have any arc, any development, or any faithful portrayal to the medium that spawned them in the first place.
DESPITE this, they're good movies, but they're not remotely faithful adaptations, even in the general sense. Even Wolverine himself was altered into "leading man material" and is a pretty far cry from his unhinged, short, stocky, abrasive comic counterpart. It works for the films, and I enjoy it along with everyone else, while acknowledging it's not the Wolverine I enjoyed growing up on.
In that regard, what Fox has done with X-Men is the SAME approach they used on Fant4stic... only without a Wolverine, Magneto, or Xavier performance, it falls apart.
Like the X-men, the Fant4stic team are the characters in name and power only. Everything else is unrecognizable. The villain is Dr. Doom... in name only. Their motivations, their origins, their personality traits, their personal connections, all were altered beyond recognition. It worked in the X-men because the X-men has hundreds of mutants to toss in for a quick cameo and they don't have to be faithful whatsoever so long as they're just THERE (Quicksilver in DOFP is NOTHING like Quicksilver in the comics, but many viewers loved it), but the Fantastic Four aren't interchangable with a dozen other mutants per movie; they're the core. So while X-men can just do whatever the hell they want with most characters (we drew the line with Deadpool...), their "center" characters (Charles, Magneto, Wolverine) at least had the very best characteristics of their comic counterparts that the spirit of the comics was maintained in those three and those three primarily, so everyone else became background noise to Charles and Eric's civil war.
But the spirit of the comic wasn't maintained for Fant4stic, and there is no character that really embodies it in the new film. Fox did exactly what they did with X-men, because they've never really expressed any interest in being faithful to the comic until recently (hello Deadpool reboot), but what worked for X-men doesn't work with the Fantastic Four. They're too personal, too unique, too dependent on one another to function. An X-men movie can exist without Cyclops or Jubilee, or they can be good even if Angel or Blob or Sabretooth aren't done justice, but EVERYONE has to work in the Fantastic Four for the team to work, and the new film just did not do that.
If Fox approaches the Fantastic Four like they approach the X-men, it will fail again and again.
The Rogue shown at NYCC is a mock up for next year's X-Men Legends line, like the Spider-Man Legends. They are introducing a new line just for X-Men characters.
Mix Master
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This thread has been a rollercoaster
Thebeardofknowledge
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I can't believe anyone fell for this shit considering fox doesn't even own fantastic four. Lmao !!!!!!
Pai Pai Master
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Wat
Or if you don't like Mystique at all. Not sure why they want to force her into the hero/leader role.
Broken Joystick
At least you can talk. Who are you?
Gordon Shumway
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That's an ironic name..
Well Mystique did run her own squad, but this was strong independent Mystique nothing like that mess in the movies
Pai Pai Master
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Well Mystique did run her own squad, but this was strong independent Mystique nothing like that mess in the movies
Shes also capable of covering her shame
But yeah - if Mystique was more like her comics version shed be much easier to stomach
Thebeardofknowledge
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what the hell are you talking about
Constantin films owns the fantastic four license , fox is just the distributor.
Edit: fix word
Wow, you are right...except for spelling.
Constantin Film has owned F4 rights since like 1986? Paid $250,000 for it. FOX is just helping them keep it. I'm sure there is more stuff behind it than that.
Thebeardofknowledge
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Wow, I did not actually know that.
Guess we'll never get it then...
Pai Pai Master
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Lol you always have to come back with more
Please don't respond with a panel for the words come back
PhoncipleBone
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Blob not even worthy of a name call there.Well Mystique did run her own squad, but this was strong independent Mystique nothing like that mess in the movies
And yet he is the only one wearing the team logo, a real trooper
Mind blown. Disney should just buy out Constantin Film.
Memento Mori
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I don't see them doing a Young Fantastic Four again so soon after this one failed. Hugh Dancy for Reed.
Pai Pai Master
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Lol we all questioned him about it and then he serves the truthfact. I legitimately had no idea about Constantin and I haven't seen a single site mention them during all the rights discussions
echoshifting
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So someone explain to me why Disney doesn't own Constantin Films yet
Ben Morales
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When I saw the name Constantin I was trying to remember where I saw their name before. Then I remembered they released the Resident Evil movies!
Broken Joystick
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Because that wouldn't change Fox's position
Ganzlinger
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It was Constantin Films all along!!!
that's the worst mutant power ever
EchoChamber
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My life is a lie.
It was Constantin Films all along!!!
They're just petty dabblers, m8.
Baron von Loathsome
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They're a nasty piece of work, chief. Ask anybody.
You know how they're negotiating with Marvel's lawyers, right?
Pai Pai Master
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#illuminati
George Oscar Bluth II
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This changes everything.
Bobby Roberts
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Thread has become highly useful for discerning which members here don't read anything past the thread title before hitting post.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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This is fantastic.
I can't... I don't... You did it. You've crafted the greatest idea ever.
.........I need this.
Malmorian
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I feel like they focus too much on their powers, and not the chemistry. No one these days gives 2 shits about a "family of superheroes" schtick. It should all be about the rivalry between those two with the rest of the folks filling out the cast.
Make the movie be about the science, a race to see who can save the human race 1st.
Make the movie be about the science, a race to see who can save the human race 1st.
Or that's just tinfoil hat bullshit.
You have to admit that the X-Men/F4 shut out from all post-Contest of Champions games is a bit suspicious. That plus there are a number of shirts & posters with all Fox-related characters removed. Something's definitely up.
Gordon Shumway
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It's nowhere near as severe as is so often suggested though.
Also, whoo boy this thread delivered some twists.
IrishNinja
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somehow i feel this is all rich johnston's fault
They are all up in Marvel Puzzle Quest though. Some if the recent additions were The Thing, Mr. Fantastic and Old Man Logan.
Marvel Puzzle Quest, like Marvel Heroes, was initially released before Contest of Champions. As such, the Puzzle Quest devs dodged the bullet.
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