Battlefield 4 fan here.... not a COD guy..
BF4 1080p on both consoles?
Lol, not a chance. Doubt it will even be 1080P on PS4.
Best guess:
PS4 - 900P
XB1 - 720P
BF4 is doing a lot more than CoD.
Battlefield 4 fan here.... not a COD guy..
BF4 1080p on both consoles?
What is this mentality of "lol GAF the nitpicky 'hardcore', nobody will tell the difference lolol"? What is it that they're trying to argue? Justify that MS expects people to pay $500, $100 more than the competition, for 720p in 2013 because "the average consumer" won't see it? Are they applauding MS catering the lowest of the lowest common denominator who can't even see a difference in resolution? Are they saying they're complacent with settling for less because other non-enthusiasts don't care about it? Are they saying nobody should care because the uninformed masses don't even know when they're being taken?
Someone please explain this argument.
The problem with folks around here is that you guys think everyone is like you. If everyone was like you, Wii would not have sold 100 mil+ and dominated the 1st half of last generation.
I would...but I'm not Jaded. There's no argument in this. If Microsoft can't even provide a next generation experience I have no reason to be loyal.
My theory that has undoubtedly been said a million times already:
Unoptimised COD code at 1080p either bangs against, or smashed straight through the 10% GPU ceiling MS decreed must always remain available for Snap/Kinect.
Like a typical stack overflow, it takes the whole system down.
Guessing that MS haven't had a chance to build in checks and recovery procedures against memory corruption yet.
Former ArsTechnica gaming editor. Highly respected.
The problem with folks around here is that you guys think everyone is like you. If everyone was like you, Wii would not have sold 100 mil+ and dominated the 1st half of last generation.
If everyone was like you, Wii's 480i/p res would have mattered... the PC would be the lead and dominant platform for every single 3rd party game, including EA's sports titles... Call of Duty would not be the #1 seller... Just Dance, Skylanders, Mario Kart, 3DS, etc. would not have dominated the charts.
Some multiplatform games will be 720p/720p on xb1/ps4, some will be 720p/900p, some 720p/1080p, 900p/1080p, and a bunch 1080p/1080p. Will it matter? To the hardcore, sure. To the soccer moms, to the kiddies, to the dude bros... not a chance.
It's not a question of power or specs or fanboy wetdream wars. It's a function of simply how many resources Microsoft is willing to invest to get to 30%, 40%, 50% or whatever market share their ultimate goal is. My bet is they are going to be willing to spend whatever it takes to be the market leader in this segment because the stakes are higher than ever and the value of the piece of pie they are after will potentially return more than ever before (because now we're talking *real* revenue from services on top of games... we're talking a digital pie that includes the itunes, the hulus, the netflix's, the digital games and apps downloads, etc., and more things in the future like ipTV, phone/skype dominance, etc.).
They will money hat as many exclusives as necessary... they will open as many studios as necessary.. .they will bundle and price drop as much as necessary... they will break as many fanboy hearts as necessary to beat Sony and, by relation, you the Sony holdout dreamer. Your salty tears and hate will simply fuel their fire. You will try to vote with your wallets and your voice, but your wallets/voice will get trampled by the XB1 gravy train laden with the soccer mom's and dudebro's hooing and hawing their way to a connected, metro-interfaced future.
You will lose. In fact, you have already lost.
Respectable sources have hinted that it is true.Alright, I signed off last night at about 4000 posts (after CBOAT posted).
Any updates in the 2000 posts since?
Incredible. Thank you.
I think they're arguing that most consoles are bought by casuals, not hardcore, which means that stuff that people like you and me care about(resolution, FPS, lighting, etc) doesn't have much at all to do with which console ends up moving the most units.What is this mentality of "lol GAF the nitpicky 'hardcore', nobody will tell the difference lolol"? What is it that they're trying to argue? Justify that MS expects people to pay $500, $100 more than the competition, for 720p in 2013 because "the average consumer" won't see it? Are they applauding MS catering the lowest of the lowest common denominator who can't even see a difference in resolution? Are they saying they're complacent with settling for less because other non-enthusiasts don't care about it? Are they saying nobody should care because the uninformed masses don't even know when they're being taken?
Someone please explain this argument.
Everything that happened to MS this year is on them. That 2 weeks between their X1 reveal and E3 was filled with some of the most cringe-worthy PR quotes, mixed messaging and horrible brand representatives we have seen in the gaming industry in a while.
Why do people get pissed when gaf sides with the company that is doing the right things?
What is this mentality of "lol GAF the nitpicky 'hardcore', nobody will tell the difference lolol"? What is it that they're trying to argue? Justify that MS expects people to pay $500, $100 more than the competition, for 720p in 2013 because "the average consumer" won't see it? Are they applauding MS catering the lowest of the lowest common denominator who can't even see a difference in resolution? Are they saying they're complacent with settling for less because other non-enthusiasts don't care about it? Are they saying nobody should care because the uninformed masses don't even know when they're being taken?
Someone please explain this argument.
I'm sure the Wii would have been a hit with a $500 pricepoint at launch.
tradeoff just shot himself in the foot.
I don't know how much the rest of you know about GAF culture (I'm an expert), but honor and shame are huge parts of it. It's not like it is on Reddit where you can become successful by being an asshole. If you screw someone over on GAF, you bring shame to yourself, and the only way to get rid of that shame is repentance.
What this means is the gaffing public, after hearing about this, is not going to want to reply to tradeoff, nor will they read any of his posts. This is HUGE. You can laugh all you want, but tradeoff has alienated an entire forum with this move.
tradeoff, publicly apologize and edit your original post or you can kiss your Gaffer cred goodbye
When trouble comes your true intention shows up. Sony through its turmoil of the early days of PS3, they didn't give up and made it through. We'll see how serious MS is with xbox.The most disappointing part of all this is that in Redmond I bet they're already saying 'Well we tried to save the Xbox division by cramming adverts into everything, cheaping out on components and cutting first-party spending, but nothing worked. We literally tried everything and there's nothing else we can do, maybe it's time to think about shuttering the division?'.
Highly respected amongst his peers.Former ArsTechnica gaming editor. Highly respected.
They will money hat as many exclusives as necessary... they will open as many studios as necessary.. .they will bundle and price drop as much as necessary... they will break as many fanboy hearts as necessary to beat Sony and, by relation, you the Sony holdout dreamer. Your salty tears and hate will simply fuel their fire. You will try to vote with your wallets and your voice, but your wallets/voice will get trampled by the XB1 gravy train laden with the soccer mom's and dudebro's hooing and hawing their way to a connected, metro-interfaced future.
You will lose. In fact, you have already lost.
Oh, you mean like, an addon for the Wii?Wii U?
But seriously, this whole thing is crazy