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[DiipuSurotu]

i like those games but they always weirded me out a bit
you're killing these cutesey characters and they collapse into a pile of bones o_o

The series is heavily inspired by Koichi Ishii's childhood memories as well as classic tales such as The NeverEnding Story, which explains this mixture of childish and terrifying things IMO.

Back when it was still called Chrono Trigger, the Super CD-ROM version of Secret of Mana was actually even darker according to Square.

 

[Jaded Alyx]

Amazing it took 15 pages for a petition to pop up. Without a petition we never would have gotten XC, PT or TLS in the west.

NoA really has no idea what they are doing.

Xenoblade at least (not sure about the others) was released in the west without any petition so that's not true. The US was another story.

 

[Syril]

Xenoblade at least (not sure about the others) was released in the west without any petition so that's not true. The US was another story.

All of them already had English versions released in Europe. The fact that the work was already done was one of the main arguments of that campaign in the first place.

 

[Waji]

There is a petition for bringing it to the west online, let´s do this GAF!

I wonder why west = US in this.

 

[MrHoot]

I hope we get this, I absolutely adore secret of mana and seiken densetsu 3

 

[Trogdor1123]

I hope we get this, I absolutely adore secret of mana and seiken densetsu 3

I never played the third but LOVE SoM. Id buy a switch for this. Id rather it just came to PS4 though.

 

[MrHoot]

I never played the third but LOVE SoM. Id buy a switch for this. Id rather it just came to PS4 though.

I'd rather it come to everything really (switch, ps4, vita, pc). There's no reason it would not. But mostly switch and/or vita for me as I always wanted to play these on handhelds

 

[Trogdor1123]

I'd rather it come to everything really (switch, ps4, vita, pc). There's no reason it would not. But mostly switch and/or vita for me as I always wanted to play these on handhelds

Sure, I meant the PS4 as well, not exclusively.

 

[LiQuid!]

If this petition doesn't help Democracy is truly dead.

 

[Pejo]

Wow, how did I miss this news. I tried playing SD3 on an emulator a long long time ago, but the lack of understanding the dialogue ruined it for me. I'd buy this in a heartbeat if it gets localized.

 

[NetMapel]

Signed. Let's do this guys!

 

[technozombie]

Back when it was still called Chrono Trigger, the Super CD-ROM version of Secret of Mana was actually even darker according to Square.

I've never heard of the CD ROM version of SoM being referred to as Chrono Trigger. Do you have a link to an article about it? It was always my understanding that SoM was for the CD and was just cut down to fit a cartridge.

 

[DiipuSurotu]

I've never heard of the CD ROM version of SoM being referred to as Chrono Trigger. Do you have a link to an article about it? It was always my understanding that SoM was for the CD and was just cut down to fit a cartridge.

There has never been a comprehensive article about it, but Hiromichi Tanaka (the original producer of Chrono Trigger for the Nintendo PlayStation) has mentioned it a few times in interviews. Here are the main sources:

After we finished FFIII, we started FFIV with the idea of a slightly more action-based, dynamic overworld rather than keep combat as a completely separate thing. But, at some point, it wound up not being IV anymore... Instead, it was eventually released as ”Seiken Densetsu" (Secret of Mana), but during development it was actually referred to as ”Chrono Trigger". (laugh)

At the time, just after FFIII, we were working with Mr. Toriyama on a game with a seamless, side-view system. A CD-ROM attachment for the Super Famicom was scheduled to be released, you see. So we had this enormous game planned out for the CD-ROM attachment, but ultimately we were never able to release it.

So we had the Chrono Trigger project changed to a new game, and this other game we had been working on was condensed down into Seiken Densetsu 2. Because of this, Seiken 2 always felt like a sequel to FFIII to me.

pon getting word from Nintendo that they were developing a CD-ROM adapter for the Super Famicom, we decided to start a project in a different direction from Final Fantasy IV [...] The development codename for the new project was Maru Island, and we were making it as a collaboration work with Akira Toriyama-sensei after we established contact through Shueisha. I frequently ran back to the office just to receive and look at the screen mock-ups that Toriyama-sensei did in the initial stages of the project.

Despite that, the CD-ROM adapter was never completed. Once everyone learned that the CD-ROM adapter was never going to see a release, they decided to abandon everything that had been planned for development since the very start, including Toriyama-sensei's contributions, and decided to revise the project in order to make it release into a ROM cassette. We said that we would wait for the CD-ROM to make a collaboration project with Toriyama-sensei, but when it was revised, it actually became an entirely different project with an entirely different direction. That was what later on was completed into the game we know as Chrono Trigger.

Thanks to the high speed of the ROM, it was possible to seamlessly make the action visible in the field without the need to make a transition into a battle screen. But in the end, the new RPG I wanted to start making — one that didn't have a command-style battle system (Motion Battle System) and tested the reflexes of the players — wasn't a title that existed at the moment.

Upon seeing that my goal was to make an action RPG, and learning that an ARPG was the next game we were going to make, I decided to make it into a sequel for Seiken Densetsu, so we reestructured everything to use the world setting we had already from the previous game, and Seiken Densetsu 2 was finally completed.

- The development of Secret of Mana was both messy and incredibly stressful, says Ishii. When the CD-version was discontinued, we constantly had to fight against an inadequate hardware which failed to achieve the grand plans we had. It was a development period that went in constant uphill battle and I'm honestly surprised that the finished game did not become an unmitigated disaster.

- Many of the ideas we had for the CD-version came fortunately to use later, when we did Chrono Trigger, says Hiromichi Tanaka. In fact, the original version of Secret of Mana was not at all the same game as we eventually released. The first version of the game had for example a much darker tone.

You can also read a bit more about the common origin of Secret of Mana and Chrono Trigger here:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1259013
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1196519

 

[technozombie]

There has never been a comprehensive article about it, but Hiromichi Tanaka (the original producer of Chrono Trigger for the Nintendo PlayStation) has mentioned it a few times in interviews. Here are the main sources:







You can also read a bit more about the common origin of Secret of Mana and Chrono Trigger here:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1259013
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1196519

That's really interesting. It seems pretty obvious to me that SoM was intended to have more content since the last part of the game just kind of falls off. For example the last weapon orbs being a drop from an enemy in the last dungeon. Thanks for the links.

 

[brainpann]

Wow, how did I miss this news. I tried playing SD3 on an emulator a long long time ago, but the lack of understanding the dialogue ruined it for me. I'd buy this in a heartbeat if it gets localized.

Not really trying to promote emulation but there is a translation patch for SD3 if this collection doesnt get released in the west. Just sayin....

 

[Kevtones]

Signed.

 

[Toth]

Signed as well!

 

[ReaperXL7]

I'd be interested in this if it ever came to the US. More importantly though I wish for a remaster of Legend of Mana with HD art, Game would be gorgeous.

 

[JeffZero]

Signed. SD3 forever. I let a few of my friends know, too, and they'll likely pay that forward, so I think I can help with a ~25 sig spike all things considered.

 

[DeuceGamer]

Signed. With games like Disgaea 5 doing well on Switch hopefully Square takes notice and localized this.

 

[IrishNinja]

signed - been sitting on this repro cart of SD III for years now, would love to just play it properly on switch at this point

 

[Raitaro]

signed - been sitting on this repro cart of SD III for years now, would love to just play it properly on switch at this point

I actually came close a few times to buying one of those so I could play the game in coop with my wife or mom (both of whom I have played Secret of Mana with to completion in the past) on my dusty SNES but for some reason I never ended up doing it. If this collection stays in Japan, I might have to go the repro route afterall though.

 

[Shizza]

There is a petition for bringing it to the west online, let´s do this GAF!

Signed!

 

[IrishNinja]

I actually came close a few times to buying one of those so I could play the game in coop with my wife or mom (both of whom I have played Secret of Mana with to completion in the past) on my dusty SNES but for some reason I never ended up doing it. If this collection stays in Japan, I might have to go the repro route afterall though.

it's neat to have on the shelf, but if you have anything else you'd be down for, consider an everdrive instead!

 

[Hyrule Warrior]

I just noticed this was coming out soon when browsing the Japanese store. I never played any of the old games. I watched the trailer that the eshop had on there, and holy shit these games look awesome. I so want this.

 

[NeOak]

This is going to ship later today. If you ordered it, remember it has no English support.

 

[Haunted]

I'm out.

Unacceptable pricing.

 

[Worldshaker]

No English support is a huge bummer. I was hoping at least Adventure and Secret of Mana would have the option. Fingers crossed this gets an English release.

 

[OrochiJR]

Let's all put our hopes in the E3 showcase of Nintendo!

 

[sixteen-bit]

This is going to ship later today. If you ordered it, remember it has no English support.

Thanks for the heads up. No English is a shame considering M2's history of including it where available. I guess that was SE's decision.

 

[Phatcorns]

Got it digitally and made a little video showing off the first ten minutes or so. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UiVeDQqHi0

Skip around for different controllers and also showing handheld mode.

 

[TheWraith]

Just got it as well, it's way more bare bones then I thought but plays quite well. The different display options for the first one are real nice, but it's really lacking for the snes games, only 4:3 full screen or original resolution. There's no crt emulation or other options like on other M2 releases.

 

[Blergmeister]

Does SD3 now support 3 players or is it still the original 2?

 

[Cartho]

Switch is Vita reborn.

We need to get an update to that "you bought a PS Vita" gif. We could change it to "you managed to get hold of a Nintendo Switch somehow!"

 

[bionic77]

Hope it gets a release in English. Never played SOM3 but I liked the first (good game single player but legendary game, at the time, in 3 player).

 

[Danny Dudekisser]

Switch is Vita reborn.

We need to get an update to that "you bought a PS Vita" gif. We could change it to "you managed to get hold of a Nintendo Switch somehow!"

This is a thing already

Edit: On-topic -- from the look of things, this allows you to run the game in either 4:3 or 8:7 resolutions. That's kind of nice. This fucking compilation needs to get a Western release. Like... it's just free money.

 

[ryushe]

Just got it as well, it's way more bare bones then I thought but plays quite well. The different display options for the first one are real nice, but it's really lacking for the snes games, only 4:3 full screen or original resolution. There's no crt emulation or other options like on other M2 releases.

That's a bummer. Oh well.

 

[InternHertz]

My copy has been shipped a few hours earlier.
Still hyped AF.

 

[RPGam3r]

I'm out.

Unacceptable pricing.

You could sign the petition, and then you know wait for a sale.

 

[Koppai]

I signed the petition. I get a feeling we might hear about it at E3 though.

 

[Phatcorns]

Edit: On-topic -- from the look of things, this allows you to run the game in either 4:3 or 8:7 resolutions. That's kind of nice. This fucking compilation needs to get a Western release. Like... it's just free money.

Yeah, it seems there's four different screen modes. I don't know which is which, but there's blurry filled screen, blurry small screen, sharp filled screen, and sharp small screen.

 

[The Greek Freak]

I've always wanted to play secret of mana and having it on my switch would make me finally do it...

 

[Projectjustice]

Anything on a NA release? I recently beat Sieken Densetsu 3 on SNES but to have all 3 games on the go and give part 3 another go with a new cast would be fantastic!

 

[hongcha]

My copy has shipped from Amazon JP, should be here Monday. I hope this is localized, I'd love to own the English versions these games as well (they probably won't include SD3, but Secret of Evermore thrown in there instead would be fine).

 

[jjasso21]

This is a great collection. Really hope it gets localized.

Edit: Signed.

 

[SneakersSO]

Please come to the US. I need a localized Seiken Densetsu 3.

 

[tsumineko]

Just got it! So happy! Plays great with the 8Bitdo controller!

 

[Raitaro]

Just got it! So happy! Plays great with the 8Bitdo controller!

Cool photo! Any impressions in terms of the menu's, options etc?

 

[tsumineko]

Cool photo! Any impressions in terms of the menu's, options etc?

There's not much there. When you get past the title screen you're given a full screen splash of Seiken Densetsu 1. You push left or right to get to the other game's splash screens.
You can push up on the d-pad to put it into music playback mode, giving you access to the game's soundtrack for all 3 games.

When you boot a game, left trigger will bring up a game menu, giving access to showing controls, quick save, quick load and nothing much else important. Right trigger will change the screen mode.

Super Nintendo games only have two options, full 4:3 screen and windowed 4:3. Both games have screen border art from their games which cannot be turned off.

Gameboy game gives you more screen options, there are three color modes, pure black and white, a kind of pure browny color mode, and also a green and black original gameboy screen filter which actually looks very much like the original gameboy.

And that's it.

 

[Dark_3nergy]

The quick menu for me is a bit of a guessing game at first, but the load and save feature from the quick menu is great. Can be access using the second left shoulder pad(ZL)

You can also save manually in game by talking to Inn NPC.

I had a few SNES enthusiasts look at the screen on my 43" TV and on the Switch handheld screen. Game plays as smoothly as it did on the SNES. It's pretty much perfect emulation of all 3 games.

Pictured below is a screen cap from handheld mode.

SOM did not really have a butt load of dialog, so if anyone here is a massive fan, you probably remember what Luka and the other NPC say, if any are interested definitely dip on this title. It felt incredible playing this title in my hands. Almost brought some nostalgia tears to my eyes.