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Shenmue 3 won't be at E3
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The resources and industry positioning are totally different for Shenmue III compared to the original games.
The timeline for production couldn't even start until well after the Kickstarter itself concluded. Shenmue III needs all the time and effort of normal pre-production and development, on top of opening the studio behind it in many ways from scratch. What you're describing and what we're seeing play out isn't a reason to be concerned.
Reallink
Member
Shaping up to be a shit E3 with this and the FF7:RE development troubles. Thought for sure we would see big re-reveal trailers for these 2 games. Have a feeling the third-party portions of the conferences are going to be painfully long stage demos of all the known annualized franchises (CoD, Battlefront, Ass Creed, Far Cry, Etc...).
Again, like I've said, a delay is probably coming down the announcement pipeline before the end of summer, but saying they're not going to be at E3 AND they're delaying is too much in one go.
And they most certainly would be blowing their load given they're opting out of E3 specifically to use the time on development. Why spend the time on a trailer now when you know you'll have to do it again (with less options for dodging spoilers) when a final release window is locked down and a marketing plan decided on?
Kickstarter does afford more flexible ways of communicating what a game is, but just because the format is there doesn't mean they're able to use it to the fullest. There's no media team making these videos. They're done literally by the developers. The guy who introduces these videos is a gameplay designer, and everybody else involved in the production of these videos have other duties in their workday to get on with.
Why was this update under a minute long? As you can probably tell from the ambient noise of the office, they're busy, and apart from that they need to maneuver around things that aren't ready, are full of spoilers, or they want to save for a proper reveal every month to give a promised update. It's a really tough position.
Please don't say my expectations are low, because they're really not. This is my favourite game series and something I never thought would ever happen. My expectations are in-check with the stark realities and compromises that meant Shenmue III could happen in the first place, but don't think for a minute I'm looking to give them an easy ride.
If they had said nothing about E3 and no-showed I would have been fairly angry, but to their credit they are getting ahead of the issue and telling us why they're skipping E3 - which is the end product. After the hype is gone, that's all that is going to matter; and that's mainly why I'm taking a calmer and more understanding approach to this news.
From the Kickstarter's FAQ, which has been there since it launched:
Can't say they didn't give fair warning.
spazchicken
Member
Farpoint has been out for a week or two. I hope to finish it tonight as a matter of fact.
The Last Guardian. #NeverForget
Arrogant Sony is finally back?
The timing of letting people know to not expect a dedicated showing for E3 is a good point, which I hadn't thought about on its own.
MetalliCabombination
Member
Expect release date at e3
Expect a good amount of coverage and possibly a release window
No clue
Already out
5 million years
5.5 million years
2019 earliest
Shouldn't be too far
StereoVsn
Member
Farpoint is out. Spider Man, God of War are rumored to be close to completion. Days Gone is probably going to be Q1 next year. Detroit shouldn't be that far in the future either I would guess. We may see all these games out by end of Q1 next year and weren't Spider Man and God of War rumored to happen this year even?
FFVIIR and KH3 are most likely in SE's development he'll once again.
Death Standing wasnt expected to arrive any time soon.
Shenmue 3 just had Kickstarter kick off then. It should have been expected for it to get delayed a year at least. I can see end of 2018 happen if they got their development workflow down tight.
Alpha Phoenix
Member
No way this is a 2017 game.
Not sure where Street Fighter fits, in a world with Smash Bros.
Street Fighter and Smash Brothers are both competitive fighting games. Shenmue created a whole other genre known as FREE (Full Reactive Eyes Entertainment). It is more than just a black and white open world game.
AzureFlame
Member
guys you really expecting 3d game as big as shenmue 3 to be finished soon? even 2d kickstarter games took a long time to finish, this game won't be out anytime soon, i just hope they will actually finish it and it turns out good.
not even a 2018 game or 2019.
not even a 2018 game or 2019.
Nightengale
Member
E3s are not won on shipped games.
E3s are won on showmanship.
A terrible conference isn't better just because a poor demo ended up producing an amazing game. Nor does an amazing demo somehow retroactively become a bad demo because the final game was terrible.
E3 press conferences are shows. A glitzy marketing show that aims to entertain and excite audiences with cool trailers, demos and carefully packaged presentations.
I love it when it happens, like a good soda drink on a hot summer night.
The problem is the caries which you find yourself with later.
Bioshocker
Member
Not surprising. I'd rather prefer they just focus on finishing the game instead of creating a trailer specifically for E3.
On the other hand, it would be nice to see how their work progresses. Right not it's obvious 2017 is out of the question. Late 2018 then?
On the other hand, it would be nice to see how their work progresses. Right not it's obvious 2017 is out of the question. Late 2018 then?
Yautja_Warrior
Member
As much as I want to see more(as a backer ofthe game) I'm glad they are working on the game, instead of wasting time on a new trailer. I still think it will slip to 2018 though.
Bucket-o-roadkill
Member
Is this meant to release December 17? It's not gonna happen surely
Acquiescence
Member
That's a bummer. Really had a feeling it would get a (short) trailer at a conference as well.
I'm still holding out for a Shenmue HD Collection though. I'd say at this point, that would be more important than a Shenmue 3 showcase.
I'm still holding out for a Shenmue HD Collection though. I'd say at this point, that would be more important than a Shenmue 3 showcase.
Sumio Mondo
Member
Definitely agree. Also expecting a no show for RE2 Remake as well. Also with news of the fate of Deus Ex, Mass Effect and Hitman, there's been a few bad news game stories lately.
This for me.
In fact I would be pretty surprised if they didn't at least talk about this at the conference. Shenmue 3 not having a presence is less surprising.
The Omega Man
Member
I hope Shenmue HD 1 and 2 can at least release this year
marcbret87
Member
Fair enough, but IMO the monthly updates have been fairly lacking for a while, and whether you were a 10k backer or a 120 one you deserve to know what is going on. Software development is tough, everybody knows that, but I think they should put
I'm fine with the game getting delayed, just think they could have been a bit more realistic with the initial ballpark date they gave
marcbret87
Member
Sure, but I think you can try and set more realistic goals. Everyone knew Dec 2017 was basically impossible. Anyway, that is not my main issue with how development is going. I'm not expecting very detailed development diaries but I think they could have a bit more substance to it, I think they owe it to the backers, who are basically the investors in this game.
openrob
Member
I think with this announcement they are trying to say they are avoiding marketing until they are ready.
They give out backer updates regularly, however this is stuff that as marketing content would make the game look bad.
darkinstinct
...lacks reading comprehension.
TBH it would not exist if it wasn't announced before creating it. But the 2017 delivery date was always fishy. There's just no way to build such a game within two and a half years without even having a team. It will be a late 2018, early 2019 title.
@ShenmueGuru
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I got to see things because I busted my ass to get the most money I've ever had in my life, in the space if 30 days without notice, to give to something I 100% love and believe in. I wasn't owed that, it was a gift from Yu Suzuki, without proper warning or us asking.
And that's where the root of your problem is. You think you are owed something which you are not. You are owed what was promised in the Kickstarter campaign; a finished Shenmue 3. They also promised monthly updates which they have delivered upon so far, and also physical rewards for whatever tier you backed, which as of now, are also on schedule. You are owed nothing more, and if you think you do, then it's your own fault for the gripes you have.
Outside of the natural feeling of disappointment of no Shenmue 3 at E3, the only legitimate concern people should voice is that they haven't announced a delay yet. That's warranted, and anyone with half a brain cell can work out this game isn't coming in December. Any other complaints are due to your own expectations, which people need to temper.
That's true. My post is poorly written in that aspect. Its first announcement was a kickstarter pitch so it made sense that they weren't very far in development. The expectation that it could release this year always seemed like a stretch. It's most likely too early to show the public anything at a large event like E3.
Lol
No Man's sky.. then they quickly tried to act like they weren't the ones who bushed it like crazy.
The original 2 games had a 100 million dollar budget combined. Of course you're going to see all of that stuff. Shenmue 3 is being developed with much less money.
Theslammer
Member
Farpoint's already out.
Spidey, Days Gone, and God of War received their first E3 showings last year.
Game development takes a long time now; you don't get stuff announced that comes out later that year as we saw in the PS2 era.
Some exceptions are Bloodborne, which were out within nine months, and LittleBigPlanet 3, which was out that year.
The world is a lot more complex than "Is Company X arrogant or humble." Too often people on GAF try to simplify everything based on that criterion.
marcbret87
Member
I already mentioned that I am absolutely fine with the game getting delayed, I have waited 15+ years so I can wait some more, and I don't see the big deal in not being in E3. As anybody with half a brain, I never thought the Dec 2017 was going to happen and I backed the project anyway (even though I would like to know why they set such an optimistic date in the first place). I however don't quite agree at all about the fact that we are owed nothing beyond a finished game. When you use crowdfunding/kickstarter to fund a game it is expected that you explain to the people who back you what you are doing with their money, as you would do if any big company was providing the funding. It's only fair considering that you are paying for a product that doesn't exist yet. So no, the monthly updates are not charity, they are a requirement from my point of view. And while I don't expect lots of detail, I would like a bit more substance in the monthly updates.
Sho_Nuff82
Member
A good conference =/= a good lineup or good games, gotcha.
Tell be again why we put more weight on the 90 minute marketing presentations over the show floor again?
@ShenmueGuru
Member
Firstly, you didnt pay for any product at all. It wasnt an item for sale. You funded a campaign project which can be subject to change at any time. Its all in the Kickstarter TOS, as well as the Q&A section of the Shenmue 3 page. You are a backer here, not a consumer.
Second, all your comment boils down to is your "opinion" that things are not up to your standard. Thats all you are moaning about. No one said the monthly updates were "charity". Thats not the point, the point is they assured backers they would provide monthly update reports and they have done. End of story. Your opinion, my opinion, anyone's opinion doesn't matter. They are upholding their end of the deal and there's no argument there. If you dont like it, thats your problem. Plenty of other people love them, and like myself, are thankful this damn game is legitimately real after 14 years of waiting and having faith.
Finally, for anyone who is disappointed, frustrated or in any way negative about Shenmue not appearing at E3, i get it. Its only natural. But before you sit down to type your angry negative responses, take it from me that there is no one more disappointed and frustrated than Yu Suzuki. He knows fans want this game and is working 24 hours a day, sleeping in the office, and working on a shoestring budget to deliver to us a game worthy of a game that bears the name Shenmue 3, He is one of the most humble of men you would ever have the pleasure of meeting, and even mentioning the phrase "6 million" to him will result in him becoming so thankful and teary eyed at the sheer output of love and generosity from fans 2 years ago.
No one wants this game to succeed and be a proper entry into the Shenmue franchise more than him. Not for the money that comes, not with the success and accolades that come, but for us who believed, waited this long, and were so giving 2 short years ago. It kills him that he cannot show this game off yet, and he told us personally that a delay is the last thing he wants. But with the bar this game has to live up to and what the team are shooting for, for fuck sakes give the guys a bit of slack, and perhaps a comment of support and encouragement. Not whining about not getting your trailer or if the release date slips.
TheDarkKnight774
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Last Guardian
Uncharted 4
Bloodborne
Gravity Rush 2
Horizon
Order
Knack
Crash Remake
Battlefront
Destiny
Call of Duty (if you want to lump 3rd party's to Sony I can play this game too)
No mans sky
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
They literally just announced most of these last year, one is out already,two are third party and one was a kickstarter.
I don't get the exclusive Sony thing y'all got going on.
Where's crackdown 3(2014), where's fable legends,where's scalebound,where's phantom dust,cuphead,below?
Nintendo had dude on stage talking about a concept for a new Travis touchdown game,announced a new hd project with atlus,Zelda took forever,xenoblade x took forever, Tokyo mirage sessions?
They all do it stop it
TRUE ORDER
Member
What a bummer...
I wanted an update on the development.
I wanted an update on the development.