It's nothing like saying that. X and XIII are both basically the same structure, but XIII is considerably larger.
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SHOCKING NEWS: Final Fantasy X for PS3/Vita is an HD Remaster, according to Square
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MeisaMcCaffrey
Like what? Both are somewhat linear games. FFX just has good pacing. They're pretty similar.
And, uh, you edited Killzone 2 with Call of Duty.
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As a user, it still looks like a port/remaster to me. The ones that are actual remakes are Tomb Raider Anniversary and Resident Evil GC/Wii.
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
SE can't do large-scale HD. Nope...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4lrJCL2O4w
The player has a shitty connection, though.
Boss Man
Member
Fair enough, it's not that drastic at all. Still though, FFX did have a traversable world map and I actually don't believe that SE can do that right now.
FFXIV, like FFXI, is a series of zones. You couldn't fly an airship around the world. Unlike FFXI, FFXIV is filled with not-so-subtle copy/pasting.
No it didn't.
Boss Man
Member
Am I remembering it wrong? I could have sworn that FFX had a world map and chocobos, and at least an instant-travel airship and semi-interesting destinations. I'm not arguing that FFX wasn't the first step down the road we're on now with Final Fantasy, but I certainly don't remember it being as guided and closed as FFXIII.
RPGCrazied
Member
This really should've been X AND X-2, all sold for $40. Why can't SE be like all the other companies releasing these HD collections? Is it really all about the $$$?
H_Prestige
Banned
I'm positive FFVI will be for 3DS. SE seems to go with successors to the game's original platform.
So the Wonderswan Color was the successor to the Famicom?
sixteen-bit
Member
So it might be released in a decent time frame?
RPGCrazied
Member
I bet it still takes them a year to get this out, lol.
It's every bit as guided, maybe more really. There is no world map you traverse, it's a linear path start to finish, there are chocobos and a little open section though (not even comparable in scale to Gran Pulse however).
As a production, X is not even approaching the scope of XIII. Certainly, it's the better game, but SE could very comfortably remake it with the XIII quality assets.
The older games offer a much greater challenge. The scope of 7/8/9 are huge, with lots of significant towns and lots of extras, but even still, that's only an issue if you literally try and do it like XIII, I think what people would actually want is 'frame' for frame remakes, the same fixed camera angles, just everything rendered in 3D. If that was the aim, I think remaking them would be quite feasible.
It's the only FF re-release in HD that'll I'll buy. Hear me, Square-Enix?
But it better be the I:ZJS release. Not the vanilla XII.
Yes, you are. X was linear as fuck. Just as bad as XIII. People bitching about XIII and forgetting X is just as bad as "VIII is worst. FF. evar." people who conveniently (or didn't play) forget II exists.
X only "opened up with airships" right at the END. Otherwise it's "Hold Forward Fantasy X: The Movie: The Game" up until Zanarkand.
Do you think they'd go with the revised international version? Because after giving it a go a few months back, I wouldn't play it any other way.
This. I'd love to play that Zodiac version. And PCSX-2 has shown that FFXII doesn't need anything besides a resolution increase to look fantastic.
Never played the International version. What are the changes?
H_Prestige
Banned
Any FF or KH remaster would have to the be the latest and greatest release. They're not going to sell an inferior product.
I'm not so convinced. I wish I was though.
A new sphere grid option where everyone starts at the center and you can freely decide what sort of build to make every character, instead of being forced to start at certain clusters for each character.
Some bonus bosses and shit that no one really cares about. It's mostly about the sphere grid.
Job board/classes
L1->Fast forward/frame skip
New Gambits
New bosses (IIRC)
Tweaks and spit-shine
Oh and:
No Zodiac Spear fiasco.
Ducky: He's talking about 12, not 10.
Agreed wholeheartedly. International version please! The fast forward button and reworked jobs, reworked item shops and new hunts elevate that game to godlike status.
H_Prestige
Banned
Why would they sell the non-international versions to Japan?
Boss Man
Member
I get the feeling that SE is afraid to put an artistically modeled tiny town in a big HD overworld so they just play it safe. It's like they're afraid to be creative with the scope...or they just aren't that creative. I hate to sound like a dbag, but it seems with each installment it gets worse.
For instance, FFXIV has the same races as the previous MMO. It's like they took the old one, made it sparse and lifeless, put it in HD, then copy/pasted the rest. I don't know if this is a result of time constraints (I imagine making a genuine Final Fantasy would take a long time with current standards- and they may just not have it) or what, but it's definitely disappointing.
I'll stop posting off-topic though. This discussion is in every thread related to Square Enix, everything to say has been said already.
Sammy Samusu
Member
Final BALTHIER Fantasy XII HD Remaster?
I'm in.
And I'm so happy they decided to skip VII, VIII and IX, that means XII is the next game to be reworked! AND YALL WILL DEAL!
I'm in.
And I'm so happy they decided to skip VII, VIII and IX, that means XII is the next game to be reworked! AND YALL WILL DEAL!
They're different races altogether in name but they're definite facsimiles. This I can understand though; the FFXI players moving over would have gone ape if they had scrapped the old archetypes and started from scratch. It'd be like World of Warcraft 2 without anything recognizable as Elves, Tauren or Orcs.
The Emperor
Member
Can't wait for this, really enjoyed FFX!
brotkasten
Member
FF X gave you an airship you couldn't fly and a world map with locations and POIs.
Boss Man
Member
It's a valid point, but I'm not sure it's comparable to a WoW 2 situation. The WoW successor will probably have Elves and Orcs, but they won't be the exact same model except with less creativity. You know the difference between the races of FFXI and FFXIV? They took the tail off of the Galka.
Either way, it's not just about the races. I think the obvious comparison to FFXI just makes it more apparent how...bland...FFXIV is. It really just looks like they pulled FFXI's soul out, repeated a bunch of environments, and put it in HD. Maybe I'm being cynical, but there just doesn't seem to be anything left for Final Fantasy. If not for money, FFIX should have probably been the last title in the series, with FFXI being Final Fantasy Online or whatever. The series just feels dead, so much so that people are more excited about playing remakes of their older games than whatever new thing they're doing. Frankly, I'm worried about a FFX HD remake. I wonder if blue-dotted lines will make their way in, or what might make its way out. That's why a remaster is better news IMO.
And removed all the combat systems that made FFXI fun
I am going to give XIV another shot after their huge "re-launch" patch supposedly coming this Fall.
though they are planning to add new races, or at least allow for both genders of the gender specific races to be playable
Versus XIII used to have that same strange perspective world map, but they changed to real size scale, and there is a screen shot of the old style (only a mag scan so we can't post it), and personally, I do think it looks a bit silly. It doesn't bother me with Ni no Kuni, but with the more realistic art direction, I'm not sure the crazy scale world map works.
I do think SE are gun shy, but I think it's understandable, FFXIII very likely cost more than a hundred million dollars to build and market, at that sort of cost, you need three million units at full price just to break even, it has to be all things to all people, and in doing that, it ends up having all of it's edges smoothed for the worse.
Where money isn't a concern, SE can be as bold as they want, something like TWEWY is both incredible, and utterly bizarre, a game of that style, with the budget of FF would have hurt SE significantly. They have to separate their breadwinners from their 'art' at this point.
lunchwithyuzo
Banned
Actually OOT3D also has some new models, entirely new textures (including altered textures to make parts of the game easier), significant control and interface changes (touchscreen inventory, gyro aim, reworked boots system), Gossip Stone Super Guide integration, a new orchestrated end song, a boss rush mode, Master Quest and probably some other minor additions I'm overlooking. It's not like a couple PS2 or PC games bumped up to 720p and locked at a decent framerate, which is what we've seen for the most part in the PS3 HD remasters so far. We'll have to see if FFX does more though, I'd think it almost has to.
It doesn't from my understanding. All script language had to be rewritten to accomodate the new Link models since they had slightly different dimensions.
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
There are tiny towns. Oh, and that big one I showed you? Leaving there for the surrounding area, which is utterly massive, (and has some small towns) is completely seamless.
H_Prestige
Banned
But stuff like that seems insignificant. Would you consider FFXII IZJS a remake because of all the added/tweaked content?
DigitalDevil
Member
I'll give it another chance as long as it looks like they actually put some effort into it.
And redo the laughing scene.
And redo the laughing scene.
Zoe
Member
What's there to redo?
tripskylark
Neo Member
I actually expected this