Valkyr Junkie
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ShockingAlberto said:
You really don't need to.
The use of headsets (outside of the obvious) this gen has been pretty disappointing given the prevalence of them on the PS3/360.
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Silent Hill: Shattered Memories - new screens and artworks (Nov. 2009, sorry 56k)
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You really don't need to.
The use of headsets (outside of the obvious) this gen has been pretty disappointing given the prevalence of them on the PS3/360.
Fixed2BeBroken
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Pennywise83 said:
you mean mulholland drive?
but yea, same director
As someone who hasn't played any of the titles in the Silent Hill franchise, I'm actually looking forward to Shattered Memories. It's my second must-have game behind New Super Mario Bros. Wii.
I think it was a bold move by the developer to take such big risks but at least they're trying to offer some refreshing new ideas and innovation and attempt to "fix" what has been wrong with the past Silent Hill titles by getting it back on track to its survival horror roots. I do remain skeptical as I've learned my lesson after the disappointment between concept vs. execution with Epic Mickey (at least from what has been shown of it to so far) so I don't plan on making the same mistake twice this year by putting too much faith in a game's concept alone. However, I will keep my fingers crossed for good luck.
I think it was a bold move by the developer to take such big risks but at least they're trying to offer some refreshing new ideas and innovation and attempt to "fix" what has been wrong with the past Silent Hill titles by getting it back on track to its survival horror roots. I do remain skeptical as I've learned my lesson after the disappointment between concept vs. execution with Epic Mickey (at least from what has been shown of it to so far) so I don't plan on making the same mistake twice this year by putting too much faith in a game's concept alone. However, I will keep my fingers crossed for good luck.
Chittagong
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For some reason I'm quite tempted to get this. I didn't enjoy SH4 and didn't even bother with Homecoming, but this somehow feels more genuine.
Wondering if I should get it for Wii. Have they ruled out doing cheap 360/PS3 ports?
Wondering if I should get it for Wii. Have they ruled out doing cheap 360/PS3 ports?
thebaroness
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ShockingAlberto said:
Just wondering, but did you ever play No More Heroes? The mechanic is pretty neat there, though after the 8th time Sylvia said "Welcome to the garden of madness" it got a bit annoying.
I'm really interested in seeing how the "no combat" aspect of the game plays out. I think the less power you give the player, the scarier the situations become. So I'm hoping it gives me some truly heart stopping segments.
ShockingAlberto
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Yeah, Sylvia's speeches were one of the best parts for me.thebaroness said:
I especially loved the one before the next-to-last assassin.
Chittagong said:
Well, Climax UK does have one unannounced Konami project that they're working on (they're doing the Rocket Knight remake, no?), but I don't know how feasible a port would be; the PS2/PSP versions aren't very well suited for porting for graphical reasons while the Wii version has its own unique interface that seems reliant on the remote. Couple that with Homecoming's failure on the HD consoles and I can't really see a SH game coming to them for at least a little bit.
No speculation about the pics I marked as "possibly heavy spoilers" in the OP? I admit I'm very intrigued by them.
Oh, and by the way I LOVED the story in Silent Hill 4. The game had its fair share of issues, but narratively it was top notch.
So I guess you played it, huh?Anticitizen One said:
Oh, and by the way I LOVED the story in Silent Hill 4. The game had its fair share of issues, but narratively it was top notch.
I played through SH4 during a cold, grey week of March. Every time I saved the game and turned off my PS2, I looked at the window next to my television and saw the same grey, foggy scenery as the one outside Henry's windows. I kid you not, it looked exactly the same.Kiriku said:
That game was fucking haunting.
TheExecutive
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Kiriku said:
And here I thought I was the only one that liked that game
brandonh83
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Jocchan said:
The game came out around the beginning of my first semester of college, I was in my dorm room by myself the weekend after it was released, the TV next to a huge view of campus, and there was an overcast the entire time and it was just me, the game, noises out in the hallway, and a big view of an overcast weekend through the window. It was amazing.
I liked the game a lot. The story was great, the characters were good enough and the soundtrack was amazing as per usual. I had problems with all the backtracking and the ghosts were annoying but that's about the end of my complaints. That game was scary as fuck.
brandonh83
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The apartment room's execution was flawless. This is what I would like to see more of in horror games. By far the creepiest shit ever.
I agree, it's a very cool feature, but it can go wrong. The speaker sometimes seems as if it isn't receiving all the data and you miss bits and pieces. No More Heroes, Fragile, and Dead Space Extraction all use the speaker for the same things and it really didn't work very well at all due to this. It's just kind of flaky.
It's still one of the coolest gimmicks this gen, if you ask me. There's definitely something cool about using it in that way.
Yeah, it's not that bad, but I do feel it failed to live up to expectations and it left many fans disappointed. The lengthy E3 trailer that first cropped up for the game was AMAZING and bizarre. One of the most memorable trailers I've seen for any game, but it set expectations much too high. It made the game look much better than it actually was...
I don't think anyone hates SH4 because of the concept (it's solid gold, especially once the twist kicks in). They hate it because it's a lousy game to play and was a very weak game from a technical and aesthetic point of view. The whole "it wasn't a SH game originally!" excuse can go only so far.
Another thing that scared the everliving fuck out of me was
I'm really bad with names, but when you're in the hospital and you find that room with a giant version of the female characters head. I couldn't look because I was so afraid that it was going to do something so I ran around tapping a randomly so I didn't miss any items.
Combichristoffersen
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Jocchan said:
The story was top notch, and I felt far more sympathy for Walter than for any of the other characters in the game. Too bad the gameplay wasn't up to scratch (somewhat broken combat system, annoying ghosts and that FUCK AWFUL annoying inventory system from the RE games, Christ, I hate that shit). It's not as good as the three first SH games, but it's still a decent, if flawed, game.
Futurevoid
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I'd agree on the gameplay front. Some really bad missteps including the limited real time inventory (UGH), backtracking and general lack of atmosphere in the levels proper. Some levels were better than others but going for fear in heavily lit environments is very difficult to do and I think they fell short. It's amazing how off and on the game is though. The succeeded at creating that sense of dread and atmosphere in the apartment but not so much anywhere else.Ridley327 said:
In the end though, it's a wortwhile experience to me because the story is so good and so well conceived. For a game that didn't start out as a Silent Hill title, I thought the narrative fit wonderfully into the series. It had a great feel about it (even if you disregard the connections to Silent Hill 2). Oh and I *LOVE* the soundtrack.
Technically I thought it was strong. A step down from Silent Hill 3 but really that game is just an amazing looking aberration on the PS2 platform.:lol I'm surprised more folks don't mention it as one of the best looking PS2 games out there (and boy it's freaking DROP DEAD amazing on the PC).
Futurevoid
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Fantastic! Glad to see it confirmed. Nothing like a chilly Silent Hill holiday season.:lol
I like the concept of using the Wii remote as a phone but in games like No More Heroes, I tend to turn it off. It just got repetitive to listen to Sylvia chat about nonsense and having to listen to her annoying voice.
It's been a while since there's been new hands-on impressions of Shattered Memories. Wonder if they'll do another one for the final build of the game before December is upon us. I'd like to specifically see the different "transformations" of the enemies in the game since all we have seen so far are their pinkish skin humanoid forms.
It's been a while since there's been new hands-on impressions of Shattered Memories. Wonder if they'll do another one for the final build of the game before December is upon us. I'd like to specifically see the different "transformations" of the enemies in the game since all we have seen so far are their pinkish skin humanoid forms.
heh, they did the same thing last year with Silent Hill Homecoming, delaying the game in Europe until 2009, and that did wonders, right Konami?
As a fan of the series, I sure hope it ends up being a great game (unfortunately, I'm personally not feeling it) because if not, just like what happened with SH Homecoming, word of it being a so so game will make those in doubts around here in Europe think twice before buying it.
As a fan of the series, I sure hope it ends up being a great game (unfortunately, I'm personally not feeling it) because if not, just like what happened with SH Homecoming, word of it being a so so game will make those in doubts around here in Europe think twice before buying it.
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Jocchan said:
Nice
Definitely a day one purchase for me since I finally got through SH1.
Oh, good that I checked the older forum pages as well. That Lisa artwork looks great! Nice artwork overall I must say.
For most of the many small issues with this game, here's a little not so
serious Q&A session for fun:
Q: If so much has been changed anyway, why not create an original story (SH6) ?
A: Hardcore fanboys would complain that it's not on HD consoles.
Q: Why not do a proper remake?
A: If it's on Wii: see above. If it's in HD: Hardcore fanboys would complain that
it's yet another SH game featuring the cult.
Q: Oh no, they changed too much! What gives?
A: Dunno, basic plot is roughly the same, Harry and Cheryl are roughly the same,
Cybil apparently hasn't changed too much as well as Lisa.
FLASHLIGHT AND RADIO (sort of) ARE STILL IN. Isn't that enough.
Q: Why should I play it on Wii?
A: Two words: Flashlight. Radio.
Q: Why do people think the graphics/art/gameplay of the game is bad?
A: Possible reasons: Not on Xbox, western developer, no blood and rust,
not by "Team Silent", a fuzzy entity that in the strictest sense doesn't
exist anymore since the original SH1.
Q: No combat?
A: No risk, no fun!
Q: ?
A: When you're trying something new, you'll risk failure but eventually you'll
successfully create a new experience. On the other hand when you strictly
stick to a successful formula, you'll end up in creative bankruptcy for sure.
Edit: Great that there's finally a fixed release date!
For most of the many small issues with this game, here's a little not so
serious Q&A session for fun:
Q: If so much has been changed anyway, why not create an original story (SH6) ?
A: Hardcore fanboys would complain that it's not on HD consoles.
Q: Why not do a proper remake?
A: If it's on Wii: see above. If it's in HD: Hardcore fanboys would complain that
it's yet another SH game featuring the cult.
Q: Oh no, they changed too much! What gives?
A: Dunno, basic plot is roughly the same, Harry and Cheryl are roughly the same,
Cybil apparently hasn't changed too much as well as Lisa.
FLASHLIGHT AND RADIO (sort of) ARE STILL IN. Isn't that enough.
Q: Why should I play it on Wii?
A: Two words: Flashlight. Radio.
Q: Why do people think the graphics/art/gameplay of the game is bad?
A: Possible reasons: Not on Xbox, western developer, no blood and rust,
not by "Team Silent", a fuzzy entity that in the strictest sense doesn't
exist anymore since the original SH1.
Q: No combat?
A: No risk, no fun!
Q: ?
A: When you're trying something new, you'll risk failure but eventually you'll
successfully create a new experience. On the other hand when you strictly
stick to a successful formula, you'll end up in creative bankruptcy for sure.
Edit: Great that there's finally a fixed release date!
Resident Evil 4 is barely a horror game by the way, I'd define it a horror-themed action game :Ofaridmon said:man, this looks good. too bad i can't play since i am the worst person when it comes to horror games. I barely finished Resident Evil 4
The February 2010 release date for Europe is practically official.KurowaSan said:
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kinggroin said:
All you need is this...
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=18457765&postcount=50
brandonh83
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Jocchan said:
I think RE4 is a great game, but where it deviated too much from the franchise, I was very disappointed with it in that respect. Change is fine, but too much change can turn something into... something else, and if I look forward to a new Resident Evil game or a new Silent Hill game, I expect them to be just that. And since RE4 only had a couple of connections and similarities to the older games, I felt that the wait since CODE: Veronica for the next installment wasn't worth it. However if it were a different title, I wouldn't have had any problems with it and I would be singing higher praise for it.
That's the only thing I'm worried about with Shattered Memories. It's called Silent Hill, so I want a Silent Hill game, not something so drastically different that it should be a whole different thing altogether. But if it comes out and I feel that I'm playing a Silent Hill title and it brings with it the intelligence and depth and creepiness/atmosphere factors that it's known for, that's fine, I'll be jolly. If not, I may still enjoy it, but like RE4 I will be left wondering why they bothered to call it a Silent Hill game in the first place.
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brandonh83 said:
I've followed your posts from a little while ago back in the other silent hill thread. I can tell this isn't some fanboy rant, but it really seems like you are trying too hard here. Franchises need to keep themselves relevant, and fresh. We will need some changes, and it's fine to be critical, but it really seems like you are trying too hard to be a pessimist. It isn't helping anyone to understand what you are trying to say.
brandonh83
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JosM88 said:
Then I'm sure they can ignore my posts just fine. If you don't like my posts, you aren't obligated to reply to them.
And me? Pessimistic? Shit, most people here know me as someone who usually likes EVERYTHING, so no, I'm about as far from being a pessimist as one can get. I just don't know why it's so hard to bring fresh ideas to series that are getting stale without turning it into something else entirely. In the case of Resident Evil, we got a fantastic gameplay revamp, but at the same time they felt the need to take the series from being about a band of characters trying to stop Umbrella, to Leon in South America trying to find the President's daughter who was kidnapped by a freak religious idiot who is buds with a midget pirate castellan.
There's change. And then there's stupid. Would it have been so hard to introduce new gameplay elements without shitting up the story? Not that RE is a narrative masterpiece, but it's enjoyable and I was digging the ever-lasting attempts to stop Umbrella, and after waiting since 2000 for a sequel, I get... that. I don't see what's so wrong with this opinion. I know I'm talking about Resident Evil in a Silent Hill thread, but it's the best example I could use that relates to what is potentially about to happen to Silent Hill.
Either keep trademarks of the series that makes the series good in the first place, or call it something else. That's all I'm saying here. In the case of Silent Hill, I'll need the atmosphere, depth, characterization, symbolism, and everything that comes with a quality Silent Hill title. If it doesn't have these things, then it's a failure in my eyes.
brandonh83
Banned
Oyashiro said:
I really hope they do awesome things with ice. There's so much potential there.
To be honest, they went a bit away from what made the first SH alternate world so frightening. Even with the limited capabilities of the PS1, it felt rustier. It felt bloodier. Wire fencing everywhere. Blackness.
It almost seemed that with each following iteration, it moved to a more sanitized, "industrial" look. Homecoming pushed to that direction even moreso.
So the ice change may be just what the series needs.
It almost seemed that with each following iteration, it moved to a more sanitized, "industrial" look. Homecoming pushed to that direction even moreso.
So the ice change may be just what the series needs.
Erebus
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But isn't it obvious that Silent Hill needs a complete reboot in order to become relevant again, especially in this day and age that Konami is stupidly outsourcing it to western developers? Let's admit it, the series has only gone downhill after SH3 and while I know many people here including me and you who enjoyed Homecoming, truth is that it was a far cry from what I'd have ideally expected from the next-gen entry of one of my favourite game franchises.brandonh83 said:
I'm not implying that Shattered Memories is gonna save the series, all I'm trying to say is that SH needs desperately a reboot, otherwise it's pretty much as good as dead for me.
CamHostage
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EatChildren said:
The host images don't say it, but I'm on a Konami mailing list still, and several of the original file names are named "CHARACTERYoungPose". I won't say which ones in case that's a minor spoiler.
brandonh83
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DarkUSS said:
I have no qualms with rebooting it. I have qualms with changing it to the point where they should just rename it to something else. As I've argued, it's completely possible to make a Silent Hill game feel fresh while sticking to the things that make it tick. If these things are tossed out the window just because it doesn't make it feel fresh enough, then there's no justification in calling it Silent Hill.
Change the controls. Introduce new ideas. Bring in new characters and stories. All that's fine and dandy. But for the love of god, keep the atmosphere, the visual and symbolic nuances, keep the overall Silent Hill vibe including the sounds, the extreme attention to detail, and more importantly, make it as scary. From what I'm seeing of Shattered Memories, I'm not convinced that it's going to be terrifying at all.
EmCeeGramr
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brandonh83 said:
But aren't those things: an abandoned town based on the tortured psyches of people who enter it, mysterious vaguely humanoid monsters, and a mysterious parallel version of that town that exists in a world of its own?
I'm not seeing how this isn't Silent Hill.
brandonh83
Banned
EmCeeGramr said:
Those are merely some of the basics but not exactly what makes Silent Hill work.
brandonh83
Banned
Ridley327 said:
What do you mean?
Nekofrog said:
I would call the pillar essential "execution."
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I can't say that I'm not happy with a refined control system, great graphics, and another soundtrack by Yamaoka. I'm loving the direction they are taking with no combat, and the exploration seems claustraphobic so I'm pretty happy there too. Everything that could be stale has been updated, and it so far seems like a fresh start for a franchise that can't even break 250K as a multiplat anymore, and I'm willing to take the risk if it means SH can become relevant again.brandonh83 said:
Oh, and I gotta say that I'm happy that SH:SM is actually based on the main SH mythos unlike the others, because it was my expectations of the SH world that made my first experience with SH1 so enjoyable.
I suppose this is a difference of opinion that can't be reconciled until we both get our hands on the game.
Edit:
Sorry for my initial post. When I said that I was following them I meant that in the sense that I enjoyed reading your thoughts on the series from it's begginings to it's current state. Didn't mean to get you all riled up there.