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Sonic Forces - Green Hill Gameplay
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Baleoce
Member
It gets louder near the end for no reason.
From late 2011!
Please keep Sonic Team away from Mania as much as you can Christian!
Can you imagine how depressing things would be if Mania never existed and your now seeing this recycled junk? Yikes!
Chaotic-Strike
Banned
I'm so done with Green Hill Zone when Emerald Hill Zone was always the superior level in tone and music.
Not to mention it looks like they just rehashed the assets from Generations.
Not to mention it looks like they just rehashed the assets from Generations.
Oooh dear this is bad.
They've missed the point again. This looks like Sonic 4. No, not like a 'true Sonic 4'. That's Mania. This looks like the bad Sonic 4 they actually made.
It's important people watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZzlcI_2adk
You see what Generations Classic got right in GHZ? Not a single boost pad in this video. Momentum based gameplay.
Sure, some people still didn't find the physics perfect. But it was close to a classic experience.
This Forces video is just full on DIMPS tropes in your face. Boost pads before every other loop structure. Random enemy placement. No real sense of any planned balance to the level design, just the same repetitive gameplay they've been firing out for the last 10 years or so.
The gulf in quality between the level design in this vs. Mania is embarrassing for SEGA.
They've missed the point again. This looks like Sonic 4. No, not like a 'true Sonic 4'. That's Mania. This looks like the bad Sonic 4 they actually made.
It's important people watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZzlcI_2adk
You see what Generations Classic got right in GHZ? Not a single boost pad in this video. Momentum based gameplay.
Sure, some people still didn't find the physics perfect. But it was close to a classic experience.
This Forces video is just full on DIMPS tropes in your face. Boost pads before every other loop structure. Random enemy placement. No real sense of any planned balance to the level design, just the same repetitive gameplay they've been firing out for the last 10 years or so.
The gulf in quality between the level design in this vs. Mania is embarrassing for SEGA.
Shifty
Member
Given that it's not even an apocalypse-in-progress variant on Green Hill, I'm guessing that the final game will be more of Generations' dimension hopping rather than something more strongly-themed as implied by the reveal trailer.
Either that or they're reusing the ??? Zone intro thing from Generations as an excuse to bring back Classic Sonic again. Either way, meh.
Either that or they're reusing the ??? Zone intro thing from Generations as an excuse to bring back Classic Sonic again. Either way, meh.
LordKasual
Banned
They would have shown anything that isn't Mania, people would still have called it a Sonic 4-clone or that it has bad physics, despite knowing nothing about both. No use arguing in that case.
Yeah it's truly unnecesary to have all that amount of "realistic" grass in a game like this.
LordKasual
Banned
this is truth, it's time to just let the thread go i guess
we're complaining about grass now FFS
allenpergallon
Member
Definitely looks like it controls more fluidly than Generations, and the acceleration will definitely help stave off the sluggishness that Classic felt like he had in that game. The bouncing off of enemies being more variable also looks like a good change, though it's hard to tell how much input has to do with it since there are a lot of wonkily aimed jump attacks. It's hard to comment on the level design but it doesn't look completely doom & gloom.
The song isn't really bad as it is a strange fit for the stage. When it gets really melodic it rather sounds like it's from a carnival-ish stage, or an instrumental rendition of a vocal song, than Green Hill. Either way, it has a really good energy; not sure what's up with the audio mixing near the end though.
Still pretty interested in seeing what this game does, but I can agree that Green Hill verbatim is a bit tired (though for the sake of this game's plot, probably necessary).
The song isn't really bad as it is a strange fit for the stage. When it gets really melodic it rather sounds like it's from a carnival-ish stage, or an instrumental rendition of a vocal song, than Green Hill. Either way, it has a really good energy; not sure what's up with the audio mixing near the end though.
Still pretty interested in seeing what this game does, but I can agree that Green Hill verbatim is a bit tired (though for the sake of this game's plot, probably necessary).
It's nice they they're not using the same old Green Hill music again, but that doesn't sound like Classic Sonic music, especially with those snippets of Splash Hill sneaked in there. If anything it's like an speed-up shoes version of what a Classic Sonic song should sound like.
As for the level design... I'll just say I hope the level editor theory is true.
As for the level design... I'll just say I hope the level editor theory is true.
ChamplooJones
Formerly Momotaro
It looks fine to me. Could be better tho.
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I loved Generations for the Nostalgia and all but its out of my system
give me something new again
Oh, look, something new.
ChaosZeroX
Banned
Honestly it looks pretty bad from that.
HeresSomeWeapons
Member
We're doing Green Hill Zone again?
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Why?
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Why?
Ok cool, thought I was the only one that noticed.
Yikes. Gonna have to just wait for reviews from certain YouTubers about this game around release.
thatJohann
Member
I'm so bored with Sonic. They need to let it go already.
Lord British
Member
Drop-dash ala Sonic Mania at 1:27?
I believe it's to create a sense of the world Sonic inhabits in this game. Juxtaposition between idyllic Sonic and the carnage to come.
Just speculating tho'.
I believe it's to create a sense of the world Sonic inhabits in this game. Juxtaposition between idyllic Sonic and the carnage to come.
Just speculating tho'.
LordKasual
Banned
edit: nevermind, abandoning thread
I like the composition, but the instrumentation for the music is way off. Its not as bad as Sonic 4's dying cat synth despite using the splash hill motif, but its still iffy sounding. Its like if the only versions we had of the Sonic Colors soundtrack were the sonic simulator variations.
To my eye it sort of looked like a well done and highly polished school project by a group of programmers and artists from a video game school. I would congratulate them for a job well done, but knowing this is a proper video game I feel like it's a little below the mark on quality. Especially the sand "waterfall" and grass looked like not much effort was put into creating them.
Father_Brain
Banned
I enjoyed Generations and intend to get this on PC at some point, but coming six years after that game, I didn't expect this to be such an iterative sequel. Well, I guess there's still the mystery character and his/her gameplay to reveal.
OnionPowder
Member
The animation when hitting enemies looks bad. No feedback, just a limp hit.
Music isn't notable, which is pretty bad for Sonic I guess.
Looks like it has potential. Looks super unpolished though, which is understandable since it's not out yet. Just needs to be fixed up before release.
Music isn't notable, which is pretty bad for Sonic I guess.
Looks like it has potential. Looks super unpolished though, which is understandable since it's not out yet. Just needs to be fixed up before release.
IronicSonic
Member
That "fangame level design" crew clearly didnt play any fan game
Even Sonic 4 has better level desing than Sonic Time Twisted for instance
Even Sonic 4 has better level desing than Sonic Time Twisted for instance
pelicansurf
Needs a Holiday on Gallifrey
Looks super low budget
Azure Phoenix
Member
As a Sonic fan: Jesus christ I am so bored of Green Hill Zone. It wasn't even a great level, it's just the easiest to milk for nostalgia value. At this point though, who is actually buying Sonic games that gets a kick out of seeing fucking Green Hill again?
Also good god is that music awful, this looks atrocious in comparison to Sonic Mania.
Also good god is that music awful, this looks atrocious in comparison to Sonic Mania.
I feel like this is what makes it all worse.
If Sonic Mania didn't exist (thank god it does), maybe we'd look at this as just another Sonic game that we are hopeful about.
Instead, we are looking to get a *real* return to form with Sonic Mania and now this video comes out and it just looks terrible all around.