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South Park' Season 21 Takes on White Nationalist Movement
- Thread starter Cranster
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There are way too many sensitive chaps on this site lol. South Park always will make fun of everyone, but their message is heavily liberal in context of the entire theme.
If you can't handle that then stop watching South Park. It's really simple.
Weird to see Halo in here. And I think I'm gonna get tired of the whole supremacists run.
If you can't handle that then stop watching South Park. It's really simple.
Weird to see Halo in here. And I think I'm gonna get tired of the whole supremacists run.
If someone is making a baseless assumption about me being a white supremacist, yeah, I guess you can say I'm triggering. People shouldn't say ignorant shit because THEY feel a certain way about something.
I mean......
I'm not weaponizing anything or insulting any specific person here.. Hell, one of you said I'm playing victim when I haven't done such a thing either.
You aren't seeing through any nonsense, I'm just tired of people taking offense at something if it clearly isn't about them. If you aren't the target, you should have no issue with the observation at hand.
I agree, this isn't how it works either.
When did I say you're a white supremacist.
generalizing is bad?
Arbiter never even had a chance.
WordAssassin
Member
I wasn't... talking to you? Ekai brought up PC Principal again and I made an observation. I didn't realize you were still even in the thread, I thought the flow of conversation had moved on from your argument with those other posters a few pages back. If I was calling someone out specifically or referring to a specific comment or post I would have quoted.
People here are the south park viewerbase, so they were the target of your comment. How hard is that to get?
His Majesty
Banned
isn't the main fanbase of anime alt-right?
I think the problem is that you imply they started attacking that part of their supposite userbase now, as if they have never done that before.
You can't say their main viewerbase is one way, and then backtrack and say well not you. That isn't that hard of a concept to follow, right?
Seriously.
Puck Beaverton
Banned
Yes JoJo made a Nazi a hero so I boycotted them.
Ya, Anime girl t-shirts may be a missed opportunity (but then again, we haven't seen the episode yet).
I think you underestimate just how huge the right-wing is as a fanbase for SP. You're taking offense at something not even aimed at you unless you fall in with that crowd. How hard is that to get?
I mean, they often don't. Their both side bullshit works in favor of the alt-right and their PC season was beloved by that crowd. Not to mention all the other past questionable/problematic content that has come about that another poster already mentioned.
It's not a backtrack. It's a broad point regarding a certain kind of people and my shock that SP would even go after them considering it's popularity with that scum. When did I ever say anyone here specifically is like that? I'm simply shocked this episode would come about.
timetokill
Banned
Chill, Ekai just thinks we're "some of the good ones" guys!
When she said "South Park attacks their viewerbase" she totally didn't mean us! Just, you know, THOSE kind of viewers. You know the ones.
When she said "South Park attacks their viewerbase" she totally didn't mean us! Just, you know, THOSE kind of viewers. You know the ones.
The Mrs. Garrison plotlines, all of them, were absolutely insulting. Kyle's Dad wanting to be a dolphin and getting surgery to reflect that as well as having transracial bullshit in the same episode were both absolutely insulting.
chrisPjelly
Member
Thank god they're going back to one offs. It was interesting the first time around but it SEVERLY hampered the amount of material they could properly focus on. For people still saying they're going to "both sides" everything; Have you watched South Park? They'll make fun of racists assholes in one episode AND they'll poke fun of some liberal stances in another. They're usually never equated with one another, but rather, they'll voice very loud and specific opinions from issue to issue. Of course, you're free to disagree with certain stances and their libertarian slant, but I don't think people give Matt/Trey enough credit for being very vocal and confident about their political stance and theirs alone. They're not some cowardly asshats, unlike certain """fence sitters""" and """feels good to be IN THE MIDDLE FROM MY HIGH HORSE, EVERYONE LOOK HOW MORALLY OBJECTIVE I AM, WHOAH IS ME""" drive-by shit commenters. That said, last season was a different disappoint of a beast all together, BUT, I reaally doubt most people could've accounted for Donald Trump winning. I'm looking forward to this season, and ESPECIALLY the reactions. I have a certain feeling we'll see certain fringes of the internet start to label South Park as "having gone full Libtard" after DARING to shut down racism.
Well how huge is it? (also a bit of a difference between right wing and white nationalist)
And again, your comment was about the viewerbase of South park, that's a crowd I fall into.
Mmmmhmmm
fabricated backlash
Member
Tales from my ass.
hydrophilic attack
Member
i guess this is why it's good practice to quote the people you're referring to rather than making general statements about "people"
It's a dumb point to argue the shows primary audience is white supremacist and know it. You also don't understand the show if you really think this episode surprising
meltingparappa
Member
You mean the episode from 12 years ago?
Ignoring the more recent episode example that you're replying to that may or may not demonstrate it's possible to change your views over the course of a decade?
WordAssassin
Member
How does that have anything to do with what I said? In the 21 years South Park has been on, they have made fun of almost everything, and everyone always laughs until it's their thing that gets made fun of. This isn't even a new idea to South Park, and it's even something that literally happened with the Scientology episode and Isaac Hayes being OK making fun of all other religions and topics and then "taking a stand" and quitting when they made fun of his and they called him out for it. Has nothing to do with Matt or Trey's personal beliefs or even politics at all and everything to do with some people being able to dish it out but not take it. Everyone has a line and some people can laugh at themselves and some can't. Regardless of what Matt or Trey personally believe South Park is an All Opportunities Offender.
If there was someone I wanted to quote while making my observation, I would have quoted them.
I think a lot of people have a preconceived notion about the show and regardless of the more recent episodes they have been soured to it. Which is totally understandable.
I think that specific episode is definitely touchy, but their most recent episode "The Cissy" explores their views on it a bit more.
hydrophilic attack
Member
well they certainly seem to be over-represented compared to other shows
compare the percentage of racist comments on their facebook page compared to those of other shows like game of thrones or veep
And that somehow means I'm supposed to be okay with that? Those episodes were popular when I was in High School, 6 years ago. It was the way people in my class would act about trans people because of those episodes making them think it was okay. So excuse me if I'm not somehow happy that they made 1 "good" episode to go with shitload of transphobic ones
thepenguin55
Member
^^^This. This and the fact it's a current event story means that this will be the most interested I've been in watching South Park in years.
meltingparappa
Member
I think that just speaks to the divide of people who watch the show, and those who have extrapolated clumsy jokes on a topical show that were a product of its time.
To some, South Park is funny only when its making fun of someone else, I guess.
I think the reaction to the election was worse. "They let trump off easy! Made it seem like they were both equally bad!" Like, did people even fucking watch the show...?
As an openly gay man, I thought that was a pretty funny episode.
As I said earlier in the thread, Mr. Garrison, like Cartman, is an example of a bad character who does things for the wrong reasons. In no way were they making any statement about being transgender through him. Did you know Mr. Garrison once tried to meet a young boy over the internet for sex? This doesn't mean that they are saying all gay people are pedophiles, just Mr. Garrison because he's a fucked up person. He's the outlier doing things for the wrong reasons -- reasons that bigots would plaster across all gay or transgender people. It's satirical because it's illustrating how ridiculous those viewpoints and the people who think that way(bigots) are ridiculous for having them.
The dolphinplasty isn't a statement on being transgender either. You're trying way too hard to connect stuff that's not there. Sometimes South Park is just ridiculous without having a message or point to it(see Manbearpig). Sheila explains the normal, progressive view on being trans in that episode, but of course the denizens of South Park take it too far and become transpecies and transracial. We're not supposed to read anything moral or immoral into those storylines, they're just ridiculous because South Park. I understand that if you were trying really hard to make something controversial out of that episode then it would be saying that the SP creators think being transgender is as ridiculous as transpecies and transracial, but I assure you that's not the take away from that episode.
hydrophilic attack
Member
are you trans or cis
as a cis person myself i feel like trans people are a better judge of whether that episode is offensive than we cis people are
Well of course they can, everyone is entitled to their own opinion regardless of their gender. I'm just telling you that the SP creators are 100% not anti-trans and neither are those episodes lol
He was Ms. Garrison for a while. There were a lot of shitty transphobic moments throughout them constantly. It wasn't always about him just getting a sex change for no real reason.
Oh of course! A person saying "I feel like a dolphin, so I'm going to get surgery" and "I feel like I should be black, so I'm going to get surgery" clearly weren't talking about trans people in any possible way. Seriously, stop this shit. You have literal trans people in here telling you that this stuff is offensive to us, and you just say "Nah, no its not"
hydrophilic attack
Member
see my edited post
i phrased that wrong initially
i meant that trans people are a better judge than us cis people
They've always been around the centrist Libertarian area which confuses people. Shouldn't surprise people that they'd be against Nazis.
He went into it uneducated, unprepared, disrespectful, and for the wrong reasons. Are you telling me this is how most people becoming transgender do it? Everything that follows is just a dumb person dealing with a serious thing. Nobody is supposed to look at that and say "oh, so that's how transgender people think" because it's Mr. Garrison.
I don't think transgender people are better at satire than cis people, and I don't think they are worse at it. The episode is what it is and anyone can make a judgement call on it imo.
smokeymicpot
Beat EviLore at pool.
Exactly this is the character who brought in Mr.Slave so he can get fired.
Don't ignore the rest of the post.
You have no idea what you're talking about. Matt Stone is Jewish. That alone should let you know that you don't understand South Park if you think it sides with Nazis.
Oh it didn't have the green quote text so I didn't notice it was my post, sorry.
Yeah I still don't see it as commentary on actual transgender people. I see it as the naivete of Kyle and his father and the insanity of the local plastic surgeon -- obviously that's not what Sheila meant in that episode and they very much took it the wrong way. I'll absolutely take your word for it that it offends you but I don't see it as being any substantial commentary on actually being transgender. BTW did you see the episode "The Cissy"? I'm honestly very curious as to how transgender people feel about that one if you don't mind sharing your opinion?
I agree that South Park doesnt side with Nazis but the 'but he is Jewish' is a shitty defence. Milo is a jew, didnt stop him from siding with the alt-right.
Kushner and Ivanka too.
I think his post addresses both points. Everyone who changed themselves did it for the wrong reasons. I'm not trying to tell you how to feel, but I'm almost positive everyone who changed themselves was shown to be doing it for the wrong reasons.