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Star Trek Discovery - official trailer in OP, 15 episodes ordered, premieres 9/24
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hobblygobbly
Member
Yeah those shots look good, they've kind of struck a balance and not gone too far with that generic overtly sterilized aesthetic trope some sci-fi does (such as the JJverse films did).
JetBlackPanda
Member
those new shots got me hyped! wow.
Succinct Verbosity
Member
a more traditional transporter. Yay.
Spectromixer
Member
yeah, I love the transporter look
Succinct Verbosity
Member
I have the feeling the Captain is going to be exactly that... Perhaps even I primary villain that leads Michael to the Captain's chair over overthrowing him.
The awakening ancient aliens with ancient advanced technology has been pretty played out now.
Succinct Verbosity
Member
Is it advanced technology? Given how long the Jlingons, Romulans and Vulcans were pace faring before humanity their technology should be far more advanced to anything Earth has. There is a strong suggestion in Trek that technology stagnated in the quadrant until Earth disrupted the various powers. I could see the Klingons not advancing very far since the creation of these supposedly ancient ships.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
So, the Entertainment Weekly issue delves into Fuller's tenure on the show.
(link goes to TrekCore's breakdown, not the article proper)
The basics:
Fuller was essentially fired
Fuller wanted an Anthology series: Each year would be a different ship, story, & time period.
Fuller wanted the aesthetic to be way more in line with the Original Series (it seems like he wanted something more like The Cage as opposed to what we have)
Fuller didn't want the director they hired for the pilot
Fuller's storyline was modified, and large chunks of it were tossed entirely
(link goes to TrekCore's breakdown, not the article proper)
The basics:
Fuller was essentially fired
Fuller wanted an Anthology series: Each year would be a different ship, story, & time period.
Fuller wanted the aesthetic to be way more in line with the Original Series (it seems like he wanted something more like The Cage as opposed to what we have)
Fuller didn't want the director they hired for the pilot
Fuller's storyline was modified, and large chunks of it were tossed entirely
sounds good, but that would've been kind of expensive no?
Lumpy Onion
Member
Goddamn that's exactly the Trek I would have wanted. Oh well, I'm looking forward to this but Fuller's sounds preferable to me.
This...this sounds great to me?
VistraNorrez
Member
Well after Fuller got 3 seasons with Hannibal, the TV gods had to course correct and kill his show before he even made it to 1 season.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
This show isn't looking cheap as it is. And the article says something like they were planning $6mil per ep as it was.
I mean, it really does seem like Fuller got bounced, Kurtzman took over, and we're getting that Kelvinverse prequel set in the prime timeline.
Which could still be good!
It absolutely could be. Just because it's so different from what Fuller was trying to do with it doesn't mean this version of Discovery is going to be automatically bad. It still looks great, at least. And it's cast VERY well.
But it does mean also mean that a lot of the questions we been asking in this thread about this project are questions that Fuller seemed to intend on answering, and now we're getting completely different ones that maybe don't line up too well.
Aw fuck I was starting to get hype for Discovery but seeing what won't be has me bummed out again that Fuller isn't on this anymore
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Fuller was gonna give me sweaters and black pants, dammit.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Sweaters and black pants
I doubt they would have needed to build a ton of sets every year. Starfleet has a pretty standard aesthetic across ships. hey could change some of the existing sets for the sake of keeping new looks.
In other news there was an interview with Jason Issacs where he reveals he and the cast was banned from using the word God on the show. As it" does not fit Gene Roddenberry's vision of the future." That's ignoring all the times God and "gods" appeared in the shows and movies or referenced via sincere mention or just a phrase.
http://screenrant.com/star-trek-discovery-god/
I mean this is what I was expecting them to say ever since he quit. Even without American Gods it looked from the outside like they were at cross-purposes.
tearsintherain
Member
Fuller's version sounded awesome. I'm trying to keep my expectations in check, just hope the show isn't a complete trainwreck.
Unfortunately the guy who wrote Star Trek Into Darkness is the showrunner now (also Transformers... Brothers Grimsby... The Mummy reboot... ) so its hard to properly calibrate expectations. I thought ID was absolutely terrible, and I liked the other two Star Trek movies.
Unfortunately the guy who wrote Star Trek Into Darkness is the showrunner now (also Transformers... Brothers Grimsby... The Mummy reboot... ) so its hard to properly calibrate expectations. I thought ID was absolutely terrible, and I liked the other two Star Trek movies.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Okay, so the show WAS an anthology at one point and I'm not crazy for thinking so.
Alex Kurtzman isn't the showrunner. I'm honestly not sure how that narrative popped up over these past few weeks. I guess because he was so vocal at Comic-Con?
Aaron Harberts and Gretchen Berg are the showrunners. They previously worked with Fuller on Pushing Daisies. He has a lot of praise for them and vice versa. Kurtzman is an EP.
As for Kurtzman's screenwriting track record, STiD was written by Orci & Kurtzman & Lindelof, whereas ST09 was written by Orci & Kurtzman. (Beyond was written by Pegg & Jung, but that's neither here nor there, I guess.)
Aaron Harberts and Gretchen Berg are the showrunners. They previously worked with Fuller on Pushing Daisies. He has a lot of praise for them and vice versa. Kurtzman is an EP.
As for Kurtzman's screenwriting track record, STiD was written by Orci & Kurtzman & Lindelof, whereas ST09 was written by Orci & Kurtzman. (Beyond was written by Pegg & Jung, but that's neither here nor there, I guess.)
Bobby Roberts
Banned
He's got a lot of quotes attributed to him that sound like he's spending time in that writers room, I think.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
yeah. Plus considering the shift from what Fuller wanted to what it actually looks like - that all by itself suggests Kurtzman is exerting more than a little control over it.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Well considering Kurtzmann was booted off movie Trek, I assume he would want to take as much control of this as he can.
I mean, I'll give it a chance. but it makes me sad to read this.
It's hard to say what happened with Kurtzman re: the Abramsverse, because news broke that he split off from helming the third flick before anything else occurred. Including Orci being announced as its director. According to reports, he wanted to do his own thing, IIRC. Orci was going to spearhead the whole picture.
Then... well, that didn't happen.
Then... well, that didn't happen.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
thankfully
The first season is a totally-serialized 15-episode story.
Shadowhelper
Banned
Oh man, Fuller's vision sounds like it would be fantastic. A new ship and story and time every season? That's fucking fantastic. He's so ambitious and assured.
I knew that he would have the good taste to make it look like the great vision of the original series. If you are making a new Trek Show how could you not make it look like the original series? Make it look like another boring Enterprise clone? It also looks like a season of Enterprise the third one.
The trailer looks like the things I don't want out of a Trek Show. A spy, action, conflict with Klingons. TOS was so cool, grand, adventurous with crazy god like characters, historical figures, and cool parables.
I can't believe Fuller was fired. But it does make sense, because I never thought American Gods was a better gig, and was shocked he would think so. I just think its crazy you'd let such a talented and proven creator go, for this tired mircowave dinner Star Trek.
Ehh...
Enterprise's third season is easily my favorite, so that's not an issue for me. But honestly, I disagree with this thoroughly. I would be 100% aboard with Fuller's look, but not because I want it or even especially like it. I just don't care much about these kinds of aesthetic particulars. But the TOS aesthetic is my least favorite of them all, if I'm even thinking critically enough to rank them.
As for the anthology gig, I was torn when the rumors swirled. I'm still torn. I salivate at the thought of moving into and beyond the 24th century, because as a 90s kid, that's my jam. But the possibility exists that I wouldn't be able to watch this cast grow over the years, or that I'd only get to watch one or two characters grow, or something like that. And I fear that change.
Trailers look great so far. Different strokes for different folks, I guess. I'm cautious about this show, but cautiously optimistic.
Enterprise's third season is easily my favorite, so that's not an issue for me. But honestly, I disagree with this thoroughly. I would be 100% aboard with Fuller's look, but not because I want it or even especially like it. I just don't care much about these kinds of aesthetic particulars. But the TOS aesthetic is my least favorite of them all, if I'm even thinking critically enough to rank them.
As for the anthology gig, I was torn when the rumors swirled. I'm still torn. I salivate at the thought of moving into and beyond the 24th century, because as a 90s kid, that's my jam. But the possibility exists that I wouldn't be able to watch this cast grow over the years, or that I'd only get to watch one or two characters grow, or something like that. And I fear that change.
Trailers look great so far. Different strokes for different folks, I guess. I'm cautious about this show, but cautiously optimistic.
While interesting this likely would have been stupid expensive. Discovery already looks like it had a decent budget. Having to make brand new sets every season, redo special effects each season as well as things have changed between eras in Star Trek, recast over and over again, new outfits each seasons, props, etc. I can fully understand if CBS went "hell no" followed by a "fuck no".
American Horror Story gets away with it because they're using real world locations or sets that aren't outside of normal everyday things and are pretty simply. I get the idea that would be attempted but for scifi that's pretty out there.
Personally I think The Cage should largely be ignored instead of trying to hold true to it. It's an outlier in terms of props, sets, etc. It should not be dictating anything when it comes to working in that era.
Himynameischris
Member
Are there any fan mock ups of what a modern TOS style bridge would look like?
Bobby Roberts
Banned
This show is already stupid expensive.
I don't think it's a guarantee a yearly anthology would be any more stupid expensive.
This show apparently carries individual episode price-tags north of $6mil
whyamihere
Banned
I get that this show is stupid expensive, but that's not that stupid expensive for high-end streaming. (But again, this says it went OVER the original price tag)
Also yeah, anthologies are ALWAYS more expensive. You can't amortize your sets.
I do not think anthologized Trek is a good idea, for the record.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
I think it's damn near a perfect fit
whyamihere
Banned
I do not think that when you launch a new franchise on a new network, you lobby for a model where every season is a new cast and crew. That's a recipe for disaster.
And turns out, it seems like it was.
-Plasma Reus-
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He wanted to go the american horrors story route.
I like it. But at the same time, this cast looks dope.
I like it. But at the same time, this cast looks dope.