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Star Trek Discovery - official trailer in OP, 15 episodes ordered, premieres 9/24
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whyamihere
Banned
You would have to have different casts, sets, makeup, props, uniforms for every season. It's insanely expensive. For the most part, AHS is stupid expensive but they can get away with it because it's a modern setting. Same with like an American Crime.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
It seems like it was because CBS thought it might be?
Nah.
I mean, this show might still be good, but I don't see what these guys have done to engender the level of trust in their storytelling instincts over what Bryan Fuller has demonstrated over the course of his career.
This could still be a good show the way it is, and I'm open to that.
But I'm not gonna agree that CBS bringing him on and booting him off was 100% the right call, either. Much less that his approach would have been a "disaster."
firehawk12
Subete no aware
We don't even know what the metrics for success are though, since CBS will never release numbers (short of them being record breaking).
The very first Star Trek pilot that predates the Kirk Star Trek that we know.
LuciusAxelrod
Member
The Cage was the pilot episode for the original series. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cage_(Star_Trek:_The_Original_Series)
It had Captain Pike instead of Captain Kirk.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
CBS' entire paywalled streaming network venture is way more suspect than whatever Fuller was pitching.
The Cage is the original pilot for the original series. It's where the character Captain Pike comes from. The second pilot became the first episode of the original series and that has Kirk and the rest of the original series crew. The Cage was eventually used as backstory for the character of Pike when they reused the character to show what happen several years prior to Kirk taking command of the Enterprise.. They flashback to that original episode and mission. Sometime later I think it was eventually aired but not sure on the details on that.
whyamihere
Banned
I think it would've been a financial disaster, nonstop -- I also am not okay with having a Trek show where the cast goes away every season and you don't get attached to them like a family. That doesn't appeal to me as a Trek fan.
I think this Phase 2 concept art would work perfectly with perhaps a few minor changes.
GungHo
Single-handedly caused Exxon-Mobil to sue FOX, start World War 3
There'd need to be more penises.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Star Trek as we know it doesn't support serialized stories though, and I think a season long anthology series would have been a decent compromise. I suppose they could do a new serialized story each season. But this assumes CBS All Access is still a thing in 2019. lol
whyamihere
Banned
I am okay with serialized Trek -- we already saw that in DS9. But I get invested in the crew and the cast and watching them together over time and the family aspect of it all is what appeals to me. I do not love changing crews every season.
And either way, it's a financial non-starter. No shit CBS said no.
Yep they better hope they do amazing on Netflix. Netflix has been very vocal recently on the end of them throwing money at failing shows just to keep production slots filled.
If Star Trek does not deliver CBS could lose pretty much all funding for the show and CBS All Access wont be paying 6 million an episode.
Himynameischris
Member
I think this Phase 2 concept art would work perfectly with perhaps a few minor changes.
That looks pretty good
I just don't know how I'd end up feeling about the probability of a rotating cast. Character development is a big deal for me and DS9, at least, afforded it fairly well.
Now, I did write some pieces on the anthology rumor back in the day when it was swirling. My takeaway was that if the Discovery crew gets vaulted forward in time I'd be so, so, so down for it. Otherwise, I would be less eager, but hey, it's still the first Trek for TV in 12 years, so I would still be damned giddy.
Now, I did write some pieces on the anthology rumor back in the day when it was swirling. My takeaway was that if the Discovery crew gets vaulted forward in time I'd be so, so, so down for it. Otherwise, I would be less eager, but hey, it's still the first Trek for TV in 12 years, so I would still be damned giddy.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
For me, I find the TOS era boring and an anthology would have at least offered them the chance to do something different. Now they're stuck there for the next few years.
Himynameischris
Member
Timeline between TOS and TNG would have been interesting
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Enterprise B or C era show would have been a nice compromise if they were afraid to do a post-TNG show.
Although maybe the main character would be Spock's missing daughter instead of his sister or whatever. lol
I think the era is only as boring as the writers' imaginations. There is a lot that can be done with it now that tech has improved. I think this is one of the reasons why they even wanted to mess around there in the first place. The era itself shouldn't be treated as some sacred cow that some fans have made it out to be. The Enterprise was only one ship among many operating during that era. There is a lot they can do.
Yes! I would love to see first contact with the Cardassians, the Tomed Incident, the aftermath of the Khitomer Massacre etc.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
There's so much they CAN do... but instead, we're getting Klingons and Vulcans again.
Using the same aliens doesn't have to immediately mean boring. How they're used is going to be extremely important. We only have one Vulcan so far. If they're going to flesh out the Klingons in a big way then bring it on I say. Out of all the Trek species there is so much more to them then them being the "bad guy warriors".
Their use also doesn't mean the lack of new aliens, planets, etc. We have a new alien species in the cast after all.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Klingons are the most overplayed species in Trek though. They've literally been on every iteration of the show and most of the movies. lol
The other thing is that as a prequel, they're bound to stuff like making the main character related to Spock and whatnot. It's the same crutch that the new movies are using.
Himynameischris
Member
I'm glad the reboots haven't really involved the Klingons other than ITD and they were barely shown.
Yup, I think that would have been a nice compromise,
Yup, I think that would have been a nice compromise,
Star Trek Discovery will be "a hard PG-13."
https://www.trektoday.com/content/2017/07/star-trek-discovery-will-be-pg-13-plus/
https://www.trektoday.com/content/2017/07/star-trek-discovery-will-be-pg-13-plus/
Mister_Bubbles
Member
That's fine. There's enough gritty, raw sci-fi out there if you want that fix. They're right; a lot of that stuff would feel odd for a Trek show if it was pushsed too far.
I think this Phase 2 concept art would work perfectly with perhaps a few minor changes.
I like it but it seems really bright?
That's good. You can still do a lot with PG-13. No need at all to go crazy simply because you can. That's an easy way to ruin something. That's my issue with Walking Dead at times. Just because you can go further doesn't mean you should and for just because reasons.
Succinct Verbosity
Member
Looking at Netflix, the highest rating for the show is ds9 at 15 and the rest are 12. This seems like a pretty normal rating for Trek, so I'm fine with it.
aHebrewMenagerie
Member
Makes me wish Jerry Goldsmith was still alive, nothing will ever beat his TMP/TNG theme. That music IS Star Trek.
It's not any brighter than the TOS, TNG, or JJ Trek bridges.
That's a good sign, that they're going back to the orchestral main theme (after Enterprise's horrid song).
Preach it, brother. Goldsmith is a legend.
Facism
Member
IT'S BEEN A LONNNG ROAAAD
You stop that, right this second, sir.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Getting from there to here...
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
The Enterprise song was fine. It was the remix post-season 3 that was fucked up.
And I will see my dreams come alive at night. I will touch the sky. And they're not gonna hold me down no more, no, they're not gonna change my mind.
'Cause I've got this
Song stuck in
My head since just before 9/11
I've been in
capable
Of removing it
I can't wait
'Til I hear
The first new theme in 16 years 'cause
I'll be free
Of this hell
Free of this hell
'Cause I've got this
Song stuck in
My head since just before 9/11
I've been in
capable
Of removing it
I can't wait
'Til I hear
The first new theme in 16 years 'cause
I'll be free
Of this hell
Free of this hell
BrokenFiction
Member
This sentence has hurt me the most today. Jerry Goldsmith da God.
Ivory Samoan
Gold Member
God damn this thread for putting that song back in head lol.
Really looking forward to this Trek, it's looking exceedingly good IMO.
Really looking forward to this Trek, it's looking exceedingly good IMO.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
But our time is finally near...
I don't actually have it, especially the back half remix version. It's just insidiously catchy.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
I think La La Land still has a couple copies of the recent special edition 2xLP release of The Motion Picture's score.
You can look through its insides here
Haha. Torture, for sure.
So good. One of the best film scores ever written.
I slightly prefer the Enterprise version of Faith of the Heart compared to the Star Trek:Enterprise version of it.
You know, come to think of it if you actually separate the show like that you greatly raise the average of Star Trek:Enterprise...and drastically lower that of Enterprise.
You know, come to think of it if you actually separate the show like that you greatly raise the average of Star Trek:Enterprise...and drastically lower that of Enterprise.
hobblygobbly
Member
You know the funny thing is with the ENT intro, everyone hated it at first, but people just accepted it as whatever and got over it from what I remember, then in the second season (or third I can't remember) they changed the intro up again (still same lyrics but sung differently and different instrumentation) and made it even worse lol.