MrTired
Member
You think Starfield sold more copies than God of War Ragnarok did in the same at the period when Starfield is available on Gamepass. The delusion is real.
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Starfield is the fifth fastest-selling game across Europe this year.
No.
Just stating fact that some people here are hypocrites
Downplaying great numbers from Starfield at all costs while trying to pretend that Final Fantasy XVI is huge success at the same time.
It must be really hard to flip-flop like that.
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PropellerEar
Member
It's not.
Dring is embarassing himself again.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Extrapolating from available data. No need to get so personally invested.
ShaiKhulud1989
Gold Member
I don't know anything (nobody is sharing numbers except the vague players) besides the fact that the length of tracking is botched in favour of Starfield's EA.
Like:
twilo99
Member
It would’ve been a nice experiment if this game was actually a Sony style exclusive where the game is only available on the Xbox without the subscription service and PC… how many plastic boxes would it actually move..
twilo99
Member
It would also have a much higher meta score?
mejin
Member
He talked about sales last week too.
He compared to Diablo 4 which was a major digital hit and said "Throw in Game Pass… this might be the biggest launch of 2023. And that’s saying something"
I'm not talking people on "GAF" called him out, but the internet in general. I think that's why this week he mentions "no gamepass data".
PropellerEar
Member
RE4 was just above 3M in 3 days?
So "extrapolating" using same window as RE4, Starefield sold prob less than 1m copies in 3 days and has no business being compared to these successful games.
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Killjoy-NL
Member
sainraja
Member
Well, the Xbox is now basically a console and a PC platform wise. I know it's not as clean on the PC side due to Steam and their play anywhere program not applying to it.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Like I said in the first UK sales thread, Xbox's affinity to have higher digital sales will make the sales even higher even after just the sheer Series X physical copies being #1 in the UK.
Probably gonna get another massive spike when the creation kit launches, post the initial months.
GG.
Topher
Gold Member
Doesn't seem that controversial of thing to say to me, but ok.
Kilau
Gold Member
That’s WW though, Starfield is 5th in Europe.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
You know what would have made it #1?
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Well, yes, the post I quoted and my own anally-obtained estimates are also WW. I have no idea what any of these games GSD sales were either.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
That doesn't answer my question though.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
MidGenRefresh
*Refreshes biennially
Setting it in fantasy universe and calling it The Elder Scrolls VI would guarantee that.
Kilau
Gold Member
Chukhopops
Member
RE4 did 3M in 3 days, 4M in two weeks and 5M by July 2023 according to Wikipedia:
The sales are not linear over the first weeks with most of it being immediately after launch. It’s dumb to linearly extrapolate 3 days into several weeks when it’s gonna be a logarithmic curve.
twilo99
Member
Xbox is becoming more of a “bring your own device” type of service.. in this case if you wanted to play Starfield you can do so from a high end PC, various handhelds, a MacBook, cheap console, or even a Chromebook.
The only thing preventing PlayStation gamers from playing Starfield is the lack of a web browser on the PS5.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
I didn't want the conversation to derail lol.I saw the post before the edit Heis, naughty naughty
Poltz
Member
This is the context needed. Thanks.
James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
Decent sales but not lighting the world on fire like Fallout or Skyrim
Doubt this has long legs
Doubt this has long legs
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
Truth is this a decent result. Definitely not anything to scream from mountain tops over and it's only seeing that sort of scrutiny because of all the pre-hype claiming all sorts of things the game would never do in the first place..
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Alphagear
Member
Doesn’t include digital sales for Nintendo.
Hogwarts also had early access and was released on multiple platforms.
People who spent months telling us how GamePass would cannibalize and brutalize sales are now claiming ‘5th best selling game’ is an abject failure.
FFXVI was heavily front loaded, the 3 million sales figure was quoted as week one sales.
focusing on number of platforms and extra week, but steadfastly ignoring that it was on GamePass too.
FFXVI was heavily front loaded, the 3 million sales figure was quoted as week one sales.
focusing on number of platforms and extra week, but steadfastly ignoring that it was on GamePass too.
sainraja
Member
Their messaging, IMO, has been all over the place.
They should fully embrace "bring your own device" as a strategy and be available anywhere, even on PlayStation. That would be truly disruptive and could force Sony to do the same and even if not, that'd be OKAY because their content would be on their own box, on their PC, on Steam, on PlayStation, etc. The problem with Microsoft has been that, they have been trying to win the game by playing by someone else's rules. They can afford to do what I am saying... they've got the money.
Initially, I thought that was where they **might** have been headed, but it became clear as time went on that wasn't exactly it. Some form of that is still in play, but it looks to me like they do want to have as much control, as they can, over the platforms their content is on.
I personally don't think "cloud" via a browser is a good option for this type of strategy, but that is probably just me. So that is kind of why I think they should either fully embrace it or stick to the old way of keeping your stuff locked to your own devices.
Anyway, I get what you are saying, but I don't think the way they are doing it is the best way. They should put native versions on a Mac too, if you ask me, if they really want to push the "play anywhere" messaging.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Believe it or not, I agree with you in general. There was a lot of mischaracterized speak being thrown around. The game was called Skyrim in Space since 2021, that's what I went in and that's exactly what the game is.
But to be fair, another thing a lot of people claimed was that the game's not gonna chart at all because of game pass, that has also not been true.
It's a good game that has been turned into a messiah or whipping boy depending on which side of the aisle you're in.
Elder Legend
Banned
And your obsession with wanting to paint this as a failure/downplay is even more daunting and pathetic.
GTFO of here with this pathetic console plastic war bullshit.
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Salty Popsicle
Banned
The Star Wars name will always win over a brand-new IP with no built-in brand recognition.
Killjoy-NL
Member
Doesn't matter.
Starfield is a major Bethesda title and a flagship title for Xbox that has been hyped to no end.
Yet in 10 days it couldn't outsell 3 days of Star Wars Jedi Survivor.
Can't imagine Xbox being happy about that.
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yazenov
Member
But Christopher Dring told us that the physical sales of Starfield are identical to Diablo, so their digital sales will be similar somehow. Whatever happened to that dumb theory?
Also he should keep the same energy and compare the whole month sales of the games for fairness sake. It would give us a better understanding if the sales are sustained for the entire month.
Also he should keep the same energy and compare the whole month sales of the games for fairness sake. It would give us a better understanding if the sales are sustained for the entire month.
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SEGAvangelist
Member
Why do you doubt the legs of a Bethesda game? Even the worst Bethesda game has ridiculous legs. Mods, QoL updates, and DLC will keep it relevant for a long time.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
You know this star wars game was hyped, had awesome reviews and was across three platforms without game pass. It launched along side Mandalorian season 3 as well. The hype was massive. Why are you trying your best to downplay this.
Its friggin' star wars.
James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
I just don’t think this game has any real legs, it will be forgotten about pretty quickly since it’s not up to modern standards and critically underwhelmed
It’s no different from any other title with DLC
ByWatterson
Member
Dude no one thinks it's a failure, just that it's not the smash success Microsoft needed.
Salty Popsicle
Banned
LOL. The facts don't align with your hysterical viewpoint, so they don't matter?
You are really asking why a game with STAR WARS in its name and available on PS5 sold more than a brand new IP that was not available on PS5 and was heavily marketed as being available on GamePass from day one?
Pallas
Member
Tell me you haven’t played a Bethesda RPG without actually telling me. The modding community alone will keep this game running for a decade plus.
Negotiator101
Member
It is a huge success, you and a few others have tired to downplay every positive data surrounding Starfield and low and behold you're at it again.
Poltz
Member
Which game do you think had the higher CCU on Steam? Starfield or Star Wars Jedi Survivor?
James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
Such a cop out excuse
Yeah, there will be modders
Doesn’t mean the game will be some evergreen seller like Skyrim
Times have changed
ShaiKhulud1989
Gold Member
I love how some people jumped from providing relevant data to support their viewpoint to personal insults. Good luck. Don't worry, Todd will get his millions regardless.
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Killjoy-NL
Member
Funny, Xbox was going to crush Playstation after the Bethesda acquisition and Starfield was going to be a nail in the coffin for PS5.LOL. The facts don't align with your hysterical viewpoint, so they don't matter?
You are really asking why a game with STAR WARS in its name and available on PS5 sold more than a brand new IP that was not available on PS5 and was heavily marketed as being available on GamePass from day one?
Now it's a good sign it's selling just okay because GamePass and new IP?