DrFigs
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wait a minute. Phil specifically said even if Starfield was an 11/10 it wouldn't have made a difference.
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Starfield is the fifth fastest-selling game across Europe this year.
Killjoy-NL
Member
Yes, Phil did, but I was referring to the xbox fanbase.
SmurfMustard
Member
No one cares how long it takes you to jack off.
Stuart360
Member
I'd love to see some receipts of the Xbox fans that said what you posted. I know a lot of you store posts to 'get them back' later so it shouldnt be too hard to see these posts.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Who in their right mind thought this one game would crush the playstation 5 and be the final nail in its coffin? You have to be a troll.
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Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
Bruh I'm not at your level of erectile dysfunction yet
SmurfMustard
Member
It's okay. No one is judging. Please use lots of lube. We don't want you to be just an ass.
Killjoy-NL
Member
Starfield review thread:
37.6% expected a 90-95% score.
37.3% expected a 85-90% score.
(Personally, I expected even a 97% score)
Metacritic shows 83%.
Didn't Steam fall to 72%?
User scores are lower.
Then there's a lot of complaints about PC performance, character models being mediocre, exploration being limited, too much menu/loadingscreens, guns with pointless variety, melee combat being trash...
I get that the game might be good overall, but it’s reception is not all rainbows and sunshine.
Killjoy-NL
Member
The bolded is key here.
Salty Popsicle
Banned
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Phil Spencer: Game Pass leads to more game sales
This past weekend's X018 event was, arguably, a two-hour long advertisement for Game Pass, and given what Microsoft gam…www.gamesindustry.biz
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You made the thread bro.
sainraja
Member
Read my posts again. You are trying to defend a point I am not really making, and I wasn't saying their messaging (the confusing bit) was that their content would be everywhere or outside of what they consider the "Xbox ecosystem", I even said as much. The confusion around their messaging was what Phil was saying prior to and around the time they started acquiring—we still get threads of people asking what will or won't be exclusive, and not just on this forum, mind you; if you still disagree, then we will just have to agree to disagree there.
Strategy-wise, right now, I understand Game Pass + streaming is how they are pushing the "play anywhere" and "bring your own device" strategies, and my point, to put it simply since I don't want to repeat myself (you can read my post again), is that they can easily do a lot more, which I think would be more disruptive.
Don't worry. I already know you disagree.
Try to follow the whole thread, from what I originally said, to what I added in response to someone replying to me. Thanks.
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
I was being a smart ass towards the xbox fans who pushed back against it. They're even in that thread bro.
I've always known this to be the case. They pushed back against that for years on here. So again, what a difference a game makes.
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Salty Popsicle
Banned
If you know these people are not "in their right mind" and yet you use those arguments to gauge success, doesn't that make just as much as an idiot?
X-Wing
Member
your money?
Killjoy-NL
Member
Depends, i think people cheering for a 5th place are idiots as well.
twilo99
Member
You are saying that anything that is not on PS and is on Xbox is an xbox exclusive, but you know that's not strictly speaking true since xbox doesn't do "traditional" exclusives like Sony, which makes comparing any kind of metrics rather meaningless.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Ok I see. You’re saying Xbox fans flipped the script.
Salty Popsicle
Banned
Who's cheering? This is a sales report about one of the biggest releases of the year. Most people are just commenting about its place on the list, and then there are others proclaiming it's an abject failure in every measure because it didn't place at #1 against heavy competition available on more platforms.
DrFigs
Member
Christopher Dring seems to be cheering. He's been hyping up Starfields huge launch as the biggest of this year*
*if you include gamepass for some reason.
Stuart360
Member
Even if Starfield had been on Playstation, too, there is no certainty it would of beaten massive games like Hogwarts, and nerd heavy games like D4. It would of been above Star Wars for sure, but it may of gone up one place as we also know how well Switch exclusives sell too, comapred to almost any other game.
Thats why acting like 5th place on THIS list is somehow bad for any game, but especially a game thats not on PS and is also on Gamepass, looks a little silly.
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Pelta88
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On socials certain people are taking this news badly because they hyped the game as a game changer. The most significant release from the XB platform in decades, according to some. In reality what they got was just a good game which they equate to mediocrity.
5th best-selling game with 4-5 big games yet to release, to them, is problematic.
5th best-selling game with 4-5 big games yet to release, to them, is problematic.
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mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Yes, it includes PC sales.
PixelatedBeast
Member
I swear, I have never seen a game be defended before like Starfield, except maybe Cyberpunk. The game has been out and there is no buzz, except for how limiting the game is with the controversy of exploration. The fact that you need to play 100 hours or you're unqualified to give a valid opinion on the game is crazy, lol. Thats a new one.
Like a car dealer saying you have to drive this car for 50,000 miles to know if you like it or not....
Like a car dealer saying you have to drive this car for 50,000 miles to know if you like it or not....
DenchDeckard
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it's far from a problem. It's been a monster year for games and game sales. Those 4 games above it did multi million sales in a few days.
Didn't square report that ffxvi did millions in its first week and its above that.
Starfield has been a monster for a game that'd on gamepass and on pc and xbox. You know, xbox...where no one buys games...
Stuart360
Member
Hogwarts, as far as we understand, has been one of the biggest selling games in recent times. Its also on PS and not on GP.
D4 is Diablo, one of the most legendary gaming franchises of all time, and is a real nerd pleaser. I wouldnt of been surprised if it had been no.1.
Zelda, Switch exclusive (whihc means its probably going to be one of the biggets selling games in recent years), and is not on Gamepass.
Star Wars Jedi, has a lot of probelms with it, and feelings are mixed towards it, but ist still Star Wars, which means its going to sell well. Also on PS and not on GP.
Apart from the SW game (but even then its SW), why should Starfield of beaten any of the other games under those circumstances?, especially when we have no PS and the game is on GP?.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Why do some of yall keep saying the bolded? I thought being on GamePass was good.
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Imagine if he went hard in the paint for Stray on plus last year?I just love this bit right at the top of this article
So passive agressive
If he hadn't started throwing around gamepass numbers alongside sales data he wouldn't have to keep his ass clenched when writing this article.
Physical edition of Stray launches at No.3 | UK Boxed Charts
Stray was the highest selling new release of the past week, landing at No.3 in its debut week. While the feline adventu…
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We would all still be like, da fuq?
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
You're reading the chart all wrong.
This data is only comparing Starfield's 11-day sales on Xbox and PC vs. FF16's 4-day sales on PS5.
Killjoy-NL
Member
With the marketing push that Starfield had?
Didn't it get promoted even more than Hogwarts?
What's to say that a game from the studio behind Skyrim wouldn't compete with Hogwarts if it was released on PS5 as well?
Stuart360
Member
It had no marketing or hype according to a hell of a lot of people on here in the hype thread pre-release.
And what does that matter anyway?, BG3 has been one of the biggest selling Steam games in recently history and its not even in the top 10 of this list.
Came in June?
This is just week 1 sales comparison of different games launched in 2023.
It's not life to date although the thread title is a bit misleading.
So no it's basically almost two weeks of sales of Starfield (including early access) vs a few days (launched on a thursday) for FF16. Two platforms (PC + Xbox) vs one.
In any case the reality is under everyone's eyes, Starfield is certainly not a flop but it certainly falled short of every kind of pre-release expectations both critical and commercial.
Killjoy-NL
Member
Because most players probably are Playstation-centric, so there was no reason to pay attention to Starfield.
There was even a "hype is growing" thread.
Things would've been drastically different if there was a PS5 release as well.
Can't comment on this, but this list is about Europe. Maybe that has something to do with it?
Can't imagine BG3 being as popular in Europe as it is across the ocean.
I completely agree the game did really well for an individual game. But there is a lot to still digest here, and plenty of reason to speculate regarding actual success (in relation to purchase cost and goals). Don't forget MS paid something like 7.5 Billion to buy this dev / pub. I know they bought more than just Starfield obviously, but new games on those legacy IP's will require massive investments and many years before they can possibly make a splash.
So yeah, the game has been a huge hit, as it would have been regardless. But did MS make more or less money than Bethesda would have had it remained independent? Did the Xbox eco-system materially grow from it? How many GP subs did it move (or cause to be retained)? All of these questions matter for whether or not it was an actual success in relation to a 7.5 Billion dollar acquisition cost IMO.
DenchDeckard
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It is amazing that it's on gamepass. The fact that it's outsold all those other games while being on game pass is an incredible feat. Worth mentioning.
Stuart360
Member
Thanks for doing a post that is actually trying to have a discussion.
And yeah we wont know how much of an effect Starfeild has had for Xbox in terms of console sales and Gamepass subs, not for a few months anyway.
I'll tell you one thing though, i still expect like a year from now for Bethesda to announce 20mil sales, and 30+mil sales 5 years from now etc. Games like this are very PC centric, and i expect sales for Starfeild to be very steady for a long time to come.
Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
It would have done miles better
PS5 release = better reviews (because I won't review bomb it) = better sales
Pelta88
Member
I was commenting on the expectations of a large part of the XB community VS the actual reality. As a new IP 5th in the EU or an 82 meta are both great for the game.
Just nowhere near the grandiose expectations placed on the ip.
Stuart360
Member
I wish all fanboys took console warring as a joke, like you do.
I agree though, it would of got better reviews if it had been on PS too. And there certainly wouldnt of been the ridiculous amount of manufactured nagativity around the game.
Its the reason why i said a while ago that i wished this had launched on PS too as a new BGS game used to be something of an event that the vast majority of gamers would get behind and be excited about.
PropellerEar
Member
I wish all fanboys took console warring as a joke, like you do.
I agree though, it would of got better reviews if it had been on PS too. And there certainly wouldnt of been the ridiculous amount of manufactured nagativity around the game.
Its the reason why i said a while ago that i wished this had launched on PS too as a new BGS game used to be something of an event that the vast majority of gamers would get behind and be excited about.
GetInTheRobot
Banned
6 million players at launch my guy.
Topher
Gold Member
I'm not getting the shade thrown at Chris Dring here at all. Wasn't that long ago I distinctly remember arguing with some folks around here claiming he was a PlayStation fanboy. Personally I think he does a pretty good job relaying information, but I think far too much is read INTO what his article says. The fact that he mentions Game Pass isn't controversial considering we know for a fact that Game Pass cannibalizes sales.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
I think he newfound blurring of the lines between engagement and sales as a sales tracker, is what people starting taking issue with. He did not do this with any other game prior that this has happened with, but somehow this one is different to now include that metric... as a sales tracker aggregate?
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Kilau
Gold Member
I can imagine him running the numbers in multiple configurations and the best he could get was 5th place.
It's fine really, just needs to be consistent.
Every so often it seems sales tracking data gets more restricted. But I haven't kept any notes, so no idea who benefits when that happens. All I know is there is no chance sales data could ever get restricted like review copies if someone is mad. Definitely no chance at all.
Topher
Gold Member
Game Pass isn't a metric here though. Dring is pointing that fact out.
Sorry.....I'm just trying to read this and find what people are upset with:
"The data isn't quite like-for-like, as Starfield was technically available a week earlier for those who purchased the premium edition, so had a few extra days of sales. Starfield was also a day one Xbox Game Pass release, and that data isn't included here, either."
He also points out that Starfield had extra days of sales.
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
It was the original tweets a week or two ago where it seemed very out of place with how he worded it.