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"Strong user feedback" results in Google removing Cupcake Calorie counter from Maps
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Yeah, I agree, people overreacting to them taking this out while they tweak it and make it optional are fragile.
The reality that eating disorders are actually life threatening? Read up on Karen Carpenter. Thankfully weve got a better understanding of ED now.
Pestilence11
Member
Off by default and customizable icons.
It'd be a cool feature if you could opt-in for it, the condition being that you put in weight information that helps the counter to be more accurate. I can see how wagging it in front of people's faces might not have been the brightest of ideas.
It's entirely possible to have a shred of empathy and disagree with something while seeing how certain things could be re-worked. No one lost their jobs due to this, and most of the thread didn't even know it existed, so I'm not sure why it's such an issue that they took it down.
It's entirely possible to have a shred of empathy and disagree with something while seeing how certain things could be re-worked. No one lost their jobs due to this, and most of the thread didn't even know it existed, so I'm not sure why it's such an issue that they took it down.
Should have kept the calorie count. In that way, I wouldn't have need runtastic (sic?) to do the statistics for a morning jogging.
It should have been kept in a more neutral manner. For instance, it is important to know how many minutes does it take to go from A to B by car. It also helps to know how much does it take doing it by walking. And why not? You could also add an estimate of how many calories you could burn in the process. But don't measure it in a silly way such as pancakes. We are already suffering with the imperial system.
It should have been kept in a more neutral manner. For instance, it is important to know how many minutes does it take to go from A to B by car. It also helps to know how much does it take doing it by walking. And why not? You could also add an estimate of how many calories you could burn in the process. But don't measure it in a silly way such as pancakes. We are already suffering with the imperial system.
Wowfunhappy
Member
This sounds like a great feature.
This is one of the dumbest things to rage over. Seriously, people.
I have a thyroid disorder and I have to count EVER. LAST. CALORIE. I eat and it's really not fun and at times crushingly depressing. But that's my problem. I deal with that. I don't need the world to shape itself around that issue. Insensitivity is one thing, but this is not that. This is a cute little addition that encourages more healthy behavior.
I have a thyroid disorder and I have to count EVER. LAST. CALORIE. I eat and it's really not fun and at times crushingly depressing. But that's my problem. I deal with that. I don't need the world to shape itself around that issue. Insensitivity is one thing, but this is not that. This is a cute little addition that encourages more healthy behavior.
UnemployedVillain
Member
So? The point is that consolidating information makes it more useful and convenient to people. It's the same reason if Google Maps now shows prices for Uber/Lyft directly in it when you search directions, even though you could just open the app and check yourself.
kingkaiser
Member
You have to be thin skinned like some certain president to be that much offended by facts.
Anorexia kills.
Stop thinking everyone has the same life experiences and challenges as you. Have some damn empathy.
Also someone needs to bump the thread explaining what triggered really means cuz almost everyone in this thread is using it without understanding it at all.
This isn't about offended, and it's not about "facts" either. It's about eating disorders.
RoyalLaFlame
Banned
Triggering? What?
Wait, this is real?
Wait, this is real?
Sounds like they're trying to do what Cittymapper has been doing for ages which is give you the calories and the equivalent different foods. I find it really useful information to have and if people knew that the 4 mile walk they did only burned a handful of M&Ms it might make people think twice.
On a forum that is generally very open and respectful to all kinds of mental health issues, people are being disappointingly fat-shamy / anorexia-shamy in here. - but then again, this is Neo "go join a gym" GAF
Like, is it so hard to imagine that a person who has a clinically disturbed relationship to their body and the calories they consume would not enjoy the fact that her navigation app chooses to remind them of that very topic?
Sure, it's a neat feature, it should simply be opt-in.
Since the mini cupcakes are at least not based on the user's gender, i find it a cute / silly unit of measurement. I would have seen it differently if it gave women a cupcake and men a burger or something ...
it's not about how many you "can" burn. People with eating disorders can be obsessive about HAVING to burn calories, HAVING to consume as little as possible. They have to force themselves to eat. Their 'cheating' is skipping meals and trying to create a calorie deficit.
This is not about "fat people"
Like, is it so hard to imagine that a person who has a clinically disturbed relationship to their body and the calories they consume would not enjoy the fact that her navigation app chooses to remind them of that very topic?
Sure, it's a neat feature, it should simply be opt-in.
Since the mini cupcakes are at least not based on the user's gender, i find it a cute / silly unit of measurement. I would have seen it differently if it gave women a cupcake and men a burger or something ...
it's not about how many you "can" burn. People with eating disorders can be obsessive about HAVING to burn calories, HAVING to consume as little as possible. They have to force themselves to eat. Their 'cheating' is skipping meals and trying to create a calorie deficit.
This is not about "fat people"
excelsiorlef
Member
1. You couldn't turn it off... that's the first issue
2. The cupcake is stupid... that's the second issue
3. It's not an integral part of Googlke Maps therefore there is zero reason it couldn't have been opt-in and less stupid.
4. Bright pink frosted cupcakes can easily be seen to have a gendered element to it...
2. The cupcake is stupid... that's the second issue
3. It's not an integral part of Googlke Maps therefore there is zero reason it couldn't have been opt-in and less stupid.
4. Bright pink frosted cupcakes can easily be seen to have a gendered element to it...
Dynamite Shikoku
Congratulations, you really deserve it!
Everything was triggering
kingkaiser
Member
Nutrition Labels cause eating disorders?
What's next, content labels on beer bottles causing alcoholism?
excelsiorlef
Member
Nutrition labels are fundamentally necessary.... this is not.
RoyalLaFlame
Banned
I kinda give you the first one. Adding features and not letting people choose to use it or not is an issue (or not really).
But the last one, really? Really?
flintstryker
Banned
The internet one up itself again with stupidity
What about posting calories on menus at restaurants?
You do understand there's a difference between looking at the box of a food item, or the menu of the restaurant you're currently at, and your navigation app, right?
What's with all these fallacies in this thread?
If you're in a restaurant, reading the menu, you're already dealing with the context of food and nutrition.
If you just wanna know the fastest route to the next bookstore, you're not. To some the context of food and nutrition can be incredibly stressful, because they have a MENTAL DISORDER.
excelsiorlef
Member
Yes it can easily be seen that way... especially with how we strongly associate pink with women...
Why are we comparing food to driving directions?
Btw you know how y'all can get this pack in some form.... complain to google.
Polioliolio
Member
So much for corporations even pretending to have a positive influence.
Ah, but people can easily avoid looking at nutrition labels if they like. Or they can engage with them when they want to.
Adding this feature without making it optional is the 99% of the problem.
Maybe try reading the thread, or even the last three posts in it, before replying with the same thing as half the thread, because perhaps you could have found an answer already.
Zoe
Member
This doesn't even make sense.
RoyalLaFlame
Banned
No, really. You're seeing a problem that doesn't exist. It's a cupcake, that's it.
Oh I read it. I just don't see a problem with it. Maybe it could have been a opt-in feature I'll give you that but removing it because people got triggered? Ridiculous.
Zoe
Member
So we should just stop using pink?
excelsiorlef
Member
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...cake-calorie-counting-feature-after-backlash/
Just since y'all think this is just twitter idiots....
Messofanego
Banned
Nutrition labels are new, especially to USA which has had big corporations try to push back for their products to be labeled especially fast food companies. I'm glad they're enforced now, but it wasn't necessary for a long while.
Agreed on your other points though about the cupcakes and this being made opt-in.
yeah, so would i, absolutely. But i'm sure as shit not going to talk down to anyone with a possible history of an eating disorder legitimately criticising this rather patronising addition to what is meant to be a navigation/transit app.
Like, what if Google starts adding route / neighbourhood recommendations based on likelihood of being mugged or raped? (due to crime statistics in certain areas)
Sure, that's a nice opt-in, but severely triggering for anyone whom this has happened to.
- Like, seriously - what's the deal with being so incredibly unempathetic towards people with eating disorders and those "lazy fatty!" hot takes.
excelsiorlef
Member
I know they're new but I'd say they're now necessary for exactly why you outline.
ExtremePopcorn
Member
Citymapper does a calorie count for trips and it has a little man holding a burger and soft drink when you view it.
It's had this for as long as I can remember.
It's had this for as long as I can remember.
Skellig Gra
Member
i mean, in all likelihood, they do
They probably know how active you are, likely your shoe and clothes size - statistical models should give them a rather good idea of how many calories you might actually burn.
Ryzaki009
Member
Citymapper does a calorie count for trips and it has a little man holding a burger and soft drink when you view it.
It's had this for as long as I can remember.
If anything the real value I'd get outta that is the money saved lol.
We had the same people complaining when Ontario made calorie counts mandatory
Where would i put all those trees, though...
I dunno, it makes a good point on the last bit about the people who don't have self control and over-exercise.
i mean, in all likelihood, they do
They probably know how active you are, likely your shoe and clothes size - statistical models should give them a rather good idea of how many calories you might actually burn.
sssssh.....
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Anyways, it should probably just be an opt-in. Even exercise machines have the option of what to display.
UnemployedVillain
Member
What is the fundamental difference, exactly? All of those things contribute to your caloric gain/loss for the day. Just because they're not listed doesn't mean they aren't having an effect.
You can question whether those calories are as "meaningful" as others, but then you'd also have to question why restaurants don't list macronutrients in their dishes.
You could also question the accuracy of this calorie count, but it does say "around x calories" and that same app also estimates the time it takes to travel, yet no one assumes that's 100% spot on
The fundamental difference is that calorie counts are a literal trigger for anorexic people. Like a strobe light can be a literal trigger to people with epilepsy.
Just like an epileptic won't campaign against the strobing lights in the club, an anorexic person won't against calorie counts in next to food items.
Because - in those contexts - they know what to expect.
If Google were to add strobe light effects to one of their apps, that - while adding a certain useful functionality to some - people would be allowed to be equally annoyed by this and ask for it to be removed or opt-in.
People pretend "triggering" is just a buzzword. We're talking about a recognized mental disorder here. And these often have "triggers" - certain conditions that, depending on the severity of the disorder, cause people stress / discomfort.
excelsiorlef
Member
On a food box it actually serves a purpose of knowing what the fuck companies are putting in their food... That helps you make an informed decision on what food to purchase...
On Google Maps it does not in fact help you get directions.