T-Matt said:How does Marcus feel about this?
"Playing big boy games, and texting your grandma! This PSPhone is the business!"
Kevin Butler: "Told you buttons were important"
T-Matt said:How does Marcus feel about this?
Yeah, that's definitely what it is. This is how you do touchpad camera control, by the way. None of that back of the device crap.Raistlin said:If I had to guess, I suspect it's the 'center point' for pseudo analog sticks. That way you can find it via touch.
Blu_LED said:This is a stupid SE project that has the PlayStation name thrown onto it, and the PSP2 is an actual SCE project. Basically if you like PlayStation, ignore this.
Serenade said:What do you do if a string of games you want to play are exclusive to a certain phone's OS?
Do you buy that phone and sign up for that contract too?
blu said:As I said, the drivers will make or break this thing (as it has to live in a full-blown mobile OS environment), but that does not mean they (SE, qualcomm) could not get it right this time around.
metareferential said:What if it has a dual-boot OS?
Like, dedicated for gaming, and android for the rest.
And of course the user won't be able to choose, it's just automatic. And the android part cannot access all hardware features.
Isn't this how Linux and ps3 OS coexisted in first place?
Correct me if I'm horribly wrong.
charlequin said:Thank you.
The thing in that picture is not the PSP2, dear lord. It's also not a "new revision of the PSP." This (assuming there's even a real product in play and not just an abandoned prototype) is just a different branch of Sony borrowing the PSP name and hardware for a bad-idea phone device that is not going to be particularly successful.
But what if they see the 3DS as their only real competition?brain_stew said::lol True, but come on, I'd at least have thought they'd be able to overcome their driver limitations in their own benchmarking software. Although this is Qualcomm, I'm probably expecting too much. Still, the Adreno/Z430 architecture is several years old at this point if they have been utterly inept at driver development in all that time, what's to say they're going to turn it around all of a sudden?
Even without the driver issue, I still don't think the hardware is fast enough. The CPU and RAM are fine but this device will be going up against phones SGX543MP2 based phones around the time of its release and no amount of driver optimisation will overcome that. I guess I just expect a device that is gaming to focused to actually choose an SOC that actually emphasises GPU performance, not one where it is completely secondary to CPU performance.
slider said:Intrigued by the Sony "marketplace". I really hope it's not half assed as that sort of thing is a differentiator (although everyone has their own).
I'm pretty shit judging quality but is that screen looking good? Despite not having a great deal going on it looks pretty sharp to me.
Well, the SGX535 is about as old, and yet it lives happily in some very hip tablets, I hear ; )brain_stew said::lol True, but come on, I'd at least have thought they'd be able to overcome their driver limitations in their own benchmarking software. Although this is Qualcomm, I'm probably expecting too much. Still, the Adreno/Z430 architecture is several years old at this point if they have been utterly inept at driver development in all that time, what's to say they're going to turn it around all of a sudden?
While the x4xx may not be capable of hitting 540 overall levels, it can beat likely-clocked 535 in shader-centric scenarios due to a much beefier shader ALUs. The 535 still can be faster at shader-light pixels due to more pixel pipes, though (i.e. what people noramally call ROPs, though there's not such unit in these devices anymore). I.e. the YamatoDX is more shader-centric, the 535 is more max-fillrate-centric.Even without the driver issue, I still don't think the hardware is fast enough. The CPU and RAM are fine but this device will be going up against phones SGX543MP2 based phones around the time of its release and no amount of driver optimisation will overcome that. I guess I just expect a device that is gaming to focused to actually choose an SOC that actually emphasises GPU performance, not one where it is completely secondary to CPU performance.
DiscoJer said:Uh, probably not. Those are just regular PSP games, albeit somewhat limited in a few areas. But I don't think this has enough horses to emulate the PSP (the PS3 barely does).
Besides, that's a whopping 100 or so games, a good portion of which probably have Android versions.
Lonely1 said:So, bad drivers? Doesn't sound great for developers.
H_Prestige said:It's probably a S-LCD. I'd prefer OLED to be honest.
Oh, I'm pretty sure this isn't speculation. Not at all.GameSeeker said:There are some reports that Microsoft paid for some Windows Mobile 7 gaming ports, so Microsoft may try and buy some exclusives in the future, but at this point that is speculation.
A phone with a slide-out game pad as a competitor to the 3DS? I don't see it.Lonely1 said:But what if they see the 3DS as their only real competition?
What's your point?LiK said:
brain_stew said:Qualcomm GPU? Really? FFS.
With the middling GPU hardware, the huge overhead that comes with an Android device and the much higher target resolution, games are going to end up looking much worse than 3DS titles on average.
I have a feeling you're going to be dissapointed. This will probably be Android games with tacked on controls.Raistlin said:From my understanding, Mini's are actually running on a virtual machine. They should be able to get them working here.
Supposedly the issue with the PS3 version is that it isn't a dedicated virtual machine ... but a virtual machine, running inside of a PSP emulator :lol
While the supposed specs don't bare it out, I'm hoping the specs are wrong and this is effectively a continuation of PSP ... ie, can play Mini's, PSP, and PS1. That plus a phone would be INSANE.
brain_stew said:Well I won't cast the final judgement just yet. I'm still not pleased they chose a family of SOCs that has horrific form in delivered graphics performance though. While I'd rather have something more elaborate for a 2011 device with a focus on gaming (anything less than an SGX543MP2 is inexcusable in my book), even something like a Hummingbird with its SGX540 would have been vastly preferable and that's been available in shipping phones for something like 6 months already now.
It doesn't have to end up completely horrible, but it could have been so much better than this.
asdad123 said:Does android have a good homebrew community (sort of like cydia/jailbreak). Itd be great to get emulators on there with the buttons
Pretty much.Tobor said:I have a feeling you're going to be dissapointed. This will probably be Android games with tacked on controls.
Tobor said:I have a feeling you're going to be dissapointed. This will probably be Android games with tacked on controls.
spwolf said:what does that even mean? why wouldnt you want iphone games with proper controls?
dallow_bg said:Pretty much.
Tobor said:Yeah, that's definitely what it is. This is how you do touchpad camera control, by the way. None of that back of the device crap.
Wolf Akela said:Touch pad instead of analog nubs... ugh, I hate my laptop's touch pad and I don't see how this is gonna be any better.
Anonymous Tipster said:Because you don't want it to be?
H_Prestige said:As per the original rumor of the SE playstation phone (which turned out right about the central touchpad replacing analog sticks), this will play ps1 classics and games specifically made for this platform (GoW, LBP). It should have full access to Android marketplace as well, since this will be an Android smartphone after all.
blu said:Well, the SGX535 is about as old, and yet it lives happily in some very hip tablets, I hear ; )
blu said:While the x4xx may not be capable of hitting 540 overall levels, it can beat likely-clocked 535 in shader-centric scenarios due to a much beefier shader ALUs. The 535 still can be faster at shader-light pixels due to more pixel pipes, though (i.e. what people noramally call ROPs, though there's not such unit in these devices anymore). I.e. the YamatoDX is more shader-centric, the 535 is more max-fillrate-centric.
I can see that much happening, but that's about it.H_Prestige said:As per the original rumor of the SE playstation phone (which turned out right about the central touchpad replacing analog sticks), this will play ps1 classics and games specifically made for this platform (GoW, LBP). It should have full access to Android marketplace as well, since this will be an Android smartphone after all.
dallow_bg said:I can see that much happening, but that's about it.
Nice, but I'll probably stick to getting the Win 7 Phone next month.
:waiting for PSP2 announcement:
kinggroin said:Do you own an android based phone? Gaming isn't exactly a strong point...
charlequin said:It really doesn't take much effort at all to look at this thing, see that it isn't the PSP2, and narrow down on what other options make sense given the available information.
kinggroin said:Friend, you have NO idea ; )
brain_stew said:Just seems like an unnecessary risk to me and not a decision that's really been taken with much consideration for gaming performance.
spwolf said:i wonder if it could be compatible with PSP Minis? As far as the phone goes, it is very different proposition - they are not going to introduce some crazy spec today and lose money on it, rather they will upgrade it in a year or so with better specs.
brain_stew said:I doubt it. PSP Minis are only playable on the PS3 through straight software emulation and that isn't going to be possible on a device like this. Minis also use the nub and shoulder buttons.
Y2Kev said:*writes playstation on toaster*
ITS PLAYSTATION TOASTER!!!
This has the nub(touchpad) and shoulder buttons. Look at the other pics engadget has up.brain_stew said:I doubt it. PSP Minis are only playable on the PS3 through straight software emulation and that isn't going to be possible on a device like this. Minis also use the nub and shoulder buttons.
Graphics Horse said:Playstation Phone maybe, but not PSP, Launching two unconnected PSPs would be daft.
offshore said:People already forgetting this is a prototype...