johancruijff
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imagine starting a war for fucking Gibraltar
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UK set to trigger Brexit on March 29
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Clearly not. Obviously you don't have a sense of humour. I don't know why you are going on about Nazis but probably best to just leave it there.
Wow. What happened to electing our betters.
Maybe that is the endgame. If Spain takes over Gibraltar, think of the mental health costs that they're going to take on.
Turkey has. And what happened was the US sixth fleet essentially guarding the invasion force's flanks against the meager response our US backed junta managed to muster.
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Cyprus is not and was not a NATO member.
For being the major of a tiny city of 30.000 inhabitants he sure has a big mouth, I guess that being a cocky guy gets you tons of votes in Gib.
Hi Crab! You're back! Missed 'ya.
well guys, good thing that if necessary, there are still some plans somewhere to put a nuclear bomb in the Channel tunnel:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/l...-up-channel-tunnel-nuclear-bomb-a7662711.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/l...-up-channel-tunnel-nuclear-bomb-a7662711.html
AnotherDayAnotherDollar
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High likelihood he is a mod on r/The_Donald
The EU mitigated that, pre-Spains EEC accession the land border with Gibraltar was fully closed for 20 odd years. Everything after that has been extremely minor.
Of course there's no massive Royal Navy to keep the good people of Gibraltar gainfully employed and supplied these days. One does wonder what they'll do when they can no longer operate as the EU's online gambling hub. Gibraltar is massively dependent on single market access more so than any other part of the 'UK'.
I'd go so far to say it's actually not viable without single market access and an open land border with Spain.
Jezbollah
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Ah yes. In case of "Soviet" invasion.
Pancake Mix
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Is this not the key issue?
I mean, Gibraltar won't change its mind, though the economy might have issues for a short while (it would have those same issues just as much in Spain anyway and lose a lot of what makes it enticing for say, financial services).
Spain is a NATO ally, it'll be fine.
I love that the conversation has already become about war and defending land by force. Don't get me wrong, there's roughly a zero chance of it ever coming to that and it's all a lot of fuss about nothing, but the fact that there is even a conversation at all about hypotheticals just shows you how well the UK's negotiating position is going so far. We are a bewildering laughing stock to the rest of the world.
Things are looking pretty good.
Things are looking pretty good.
PJV3
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Whenever I see someone use that insult I assume that they spend their weekends licking other men's cum from their wives naughty bits, or watching it on pornhub.
"Cuck" is basically the new insult replacement for the word "faggot". At least they're consistent with the insult making no sense.
As if they have wives.
Pancake Mix
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The status quo in Northern Ireland seems to have been working for everyone involved (though the Nationalists wanted and apparently are entitled to some sort of Irish Language Act according to one of the agreements). But apparently power-sharing was going pretty well until Brexit.
Here's a map from Wiki.
The 44.2% leave vote was heavily concentrated in the Protestant community (despite the second largest Unionist party, the UUP, being generally pro-Remain). The remain vote (55.8%) was heavily concentrated in the Catholic community with a little help from others as well. It wasn't 1:1, as North Down voting remain shows and the slightly lower percentage for leave than Protestant overall, but it was pretty close.
It may look like a fraction of the map, but that's some of the most densely populated land in the Province. The largest party (by a hair now), the DUP, is pro-Brexit, although all of the Nationalist parties are against it. The Unionist parties accept it, though most hope for as seamless a border as possible.
The question for we as outsiders is what will happen now? Hopefully everything is okay. I don't think the WTO is flexible enough for the UK to have two customs areas so even if that were on the table, that is likely out.
Here's a map from Wiki.
The 44.2% leave vote was heavily concentrated in the Protestant community (despite the second largest Unionist party, the UUP, being generally pro-Remain). The remain vote (55.8%) was heavily concentrated in the Catholic community with a little help from others as well. It wasn't 1:1, as North Down voting remain shows and the slightly lower percentage for leave than Protestant overall, but it was pretty close.
It may look like a fraction of the map, but that's some of the most densely populated land in the Province. The largest party (by a hair now), the DUP, is pro-Brexit, although all of the Nationalist parties are against it. The Unionist parties accept it, though most hope for as seamless a border as possible.
The question for we as outsiders is what will happen now? Hopefully everything is okay. I don't think the WTO is flexible enough for the UK to have two customs areas so even if that were on the table, that is likely out.
Funky Papa
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sabre-rattling
noun [ U ] uk disapproving us saber-rattling UK ​ /ˈseɪ.bəˌræt.əl.ɪŋ/ US ​ /ˈseɪ.bɚˌræt̬.əl.ɪŋ/
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talking and behaving in a way that threatens military action
If by sabre rattling you mean trying to access its territorial waters, sure, why not. So far British politicians are the only ones flipping the lid.
Pancake Mix
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I think he means comments like this from time to time.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/06/spains-foreign-minister-vows-to-plant-his-flag-on-gibraltar/
For a place where there is a nearly homogeneous rejection of joint sovereignty, it might be viewed as slightly threatening.
Man, I've been in the UK for 4 years now and every day it becomes harder for me stay positive about living here
I might try to move back to Spain within the year if things keep like this
After almost four years I just moved back to Italy... By far the best decision I took in the past 2 years. All the stress is completely gone
Funky Papa
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Margallo was a brute and an asshole (and I'm damn glad we have a proper diplomat as the head of the Ministry this time around), but he was talking about UK-Spain negotiations pertaining shared sovereignty through political means. It was taken out of context, but I guess that's the Torygraph for you.
Actual source for those fluent in Spanish.
Funky Papa
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Last time I checked Argentina couldn't even keep most of their fleet in working condition, have no leverage and their case is nill.
Some awful politicians may say scream angrily at the UK and that'll be it.
Edit: And as soon as they do it, I fully expect the tabloids/conservative rags to go bananas.
Just think how amazing it can be when the EU says it isn't their problem and the daily mail calls for Tusk to be killed for his British hatred.
CyclopsRock
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I think a lot of you are judging Picardo based on a single sentence when you mostly all probably a) didn't know who the representative for Gib was until today and b) don't actually know anything about Gib. I only know a bit because my girlfriend lived there for a year and I visited a bunch, but he's very popular over there because he basically represents his constituents well. He has always been very pro-EU, just like his constituents, but he's also very pro-British and has no interest in any sort of joint sovereignty or sharing agreement - again, like his constituents. They are very used to Spain's games - the number of times my girlfriend had to queue for literally hours at the border whilst the Guardia Civil stood around doing literally nothing, not checking passports or cars but nothing, has lead the Gibraltarians to believe that their lives are basically just a fun joke to Spain, or more likely the butt of a political punchline. As such, when there's even a sniff of Spain having some control over their future (as the EU Council's guidelines suggested) they think "They fuck us pretty hard when we just want to nip into La Linea just because someone in Madrid is pissed off - so what are they gonna do when they have actual control over proceedings?" Again, he's representing his constituents.
Funky Papa
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Picardo was the perfect foil for Margallo. Brass, loud mouthed, rah-rah-rah nationalist and willing to make a stink whenever he can. Those two deserve each other. Soon enough he'll find out that Dastis is a radically different kind of official.
frankie_baby
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And how would spain fare if tourism from Britain tanked
Funky Papa
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Tourism contributes around 11% of Spain's GDP. It wouldn't be great, but it's not like the country depends on British tourists. Trade is more important.
This is your regularly scheduled Gibraltar bullshit diatribe. We've had enough of them over the past 50 years. The tabloids will rage for a bit, some politicians will say stupid things and everybody will carry on with their lives after that. So far British politicians the ones losing their collective shit. Spain hasn't even made any demand and Datis is a reasonable minister for a change. May's cabinet just found out that Gibraltar exists and had to throw a shitfit not to look like complete fools.
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As much as I think Brexit was a bloody stupid idea, I sort of also have to agree with Picardo to some extent. Spain really doesn't have any kind of genuine claim, here. The precise terms of a treaty signed in 1713 are functionally irrelevant to the situation in which the territories have had people living there for 304 years, identifying as British for that duration. The first principle of international law is the right to self-determination - it's Article I.
Spain grandstands on Gibraltar because there's a small but important niche of voters who fucking love it. It's literally the Spanish equivalent of Brexiteers - often worse, as retaking Gibraltar was a Francoist policy - and there's absolutely no reason to cheer on that kind of pandering any more than there is our own Brexiteers' nonsense. It's understandable that the residents of Gibraltar would be riled by the whole affair.
I would pay to tank British spring break tourism.
PJV3
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Gibraltar like
Gibraltar is confusing me to be honest, they got fucked by their legal partner the UK, EU is like no thanks I'm not sure we want you, you're a lot of hassle and your partner is a bit loopy.
It's more like dogging.
jmvmadeira
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Everiday i wonder what stupidy we can hear from politicians, and everiday i'm surprised on the lack of common sense they show.
This posturing is getting quite depressing. Far more so because the people causing this futile discussions are not ever accountable for the bulshit they spew.
Its 20 years since i came to England. Almost half of my adult life. I try to stay possitive, but the rethoric is getting depressing. Grow a pair and behave like adults, not as toddlers on the school playground
This posturing is getting quite depressing. Far more so because the people causing this futile discussions are not ever accountable for the bulshit they spew.
Its 20 years since i came to England. Almost half of my adult life. I try to stay possitive, but the rethoric is getting depressing. Grow a pair and behave like adults, not as toddlers on the school playground
NekoFever
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I just remember it from studying Othello in school so I'm in this weird place where painfully stupid people come over all Shakespearean when trying to be insulting.
Pancake Mix
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Exactly.
This is his party, if any of you are interested. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibraltar_Socialist_Labour_Party Likely fits in with most of your political views.
What he said was highly inappropriate...but an ordinary person of any sexual identity would not be offended (offended is the key word), just shocked or surprised perhaps. Do certain far-right elements on the internet use the term? Perhaps they do, but it's an insult that's been around longer than that and used by more than one sort of political group.
He said it off the cuff and it in no way means he's a bad person, or that he's not a great Chief Minister of Gibraltar. Everyone should take a step back. I'm sure he's a good leader.
Fuck off Sun, rag piece of shit. They are a parody of themselves.
"Free poster" lol brexiteers putting it up beside their Thatcher shrine and Farages framed photograph.
Cheap holidays to Spain too.
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