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Waypoint: I Hope The Last of Us Part II is Super Gay (Spoilers)
- Thread starter Kenzodielocke
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Yeah, pretty much this. Why the fuck try to bury it just to make it "subtle" enough that the straight dudes don't feel uncomfortable? If she's gay, she's gay. That's it. It will be exactly as front and/or centre as it needs to be for her arc in this. Considering her age in this, Ellie feeling scorned over a young love taken away from her (yet again) would absolutely fit part of her revenge plot.
SolidSnakex
Member
I think Neil hit the nail on the head here. He said that if she'd kissed Sam, no one would've questioned what it meant. The questioning only happened because she kissed Riley.
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
What part is confusing?
But anyway, this may help:
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...ember-me-because-of-their-female-protagonists
And this thread may shed some light too:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1224957
Just in case that wasn't clear, though, if the writers want to make Ellie "super gay" then I'm all for it, too. The notion that "it's ok if she's gay but not too much because gays are icky" and "eww gay agenda" can die in a fire.
GustyGardens
Banned
I'd love if they touched on it, but having a it be a big focal point seems a bit too on the nose. Ellie's character is much more than her sexuality, therefore she shouldn't defined by it.
I do hope it comes up, though. Players should know about that part of her life.
I do hope it comes up, though. Players should know about that part of her life.
Haha same, imagine a sex scene with a man... that would really throw the internet in a frenzy. Its definitely possible, depending your interpretation of Left Behind Ellie could be anything, Lesbian, bi or straight. I say straight because some say the kiss could just be an act of "experimentation", or even seen in a platonic light as opposed to a romantic one considering the ages of Ellie and Riley at the time.
Didn't Bioware already do it first?
GIANKRATOS
Member
Damn, this reminded me that i still have to play Left Behind.
I am not talking about a specific scene .... the game starts with Joel's daughter and the whole relationship about Joel and Ellie is about him finding "comfort" in being a fatherly figure to her since he could not protect his biological daughter.
I don't see why making a bigger deal out of Ellie being a lesbian would be a bad thing. I mean, there are thousands of games where the protagonist's heterosexuality is a huge deal.
Have Ellie go on a revenge-filled quest to get back at the punks that killed her new girlfriend. Sounds great.
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
Naughty Dog has an excellent history with storytelling at this point. I'd say odds are good that Ellie's relationships with other people, whether romantic or not, would be part of an interesting story.
However, if anyone objects to Ellie relationship preferences being a focal point of the story, I'd be curious to hear thoughts on Uncharted 4 emphasizing Nathan Drake's sexual orientation by going into such detail about his marriage and relationship with his wife, Elena. Uncharted 4 even devotes an entire chapter to just being around the home with two heterosexuals acting so overtly heterosexual.
Quite edgy.
However, if anyone objects to Ellie relationship preferences being a focal point of the story, I'd be curious to hear thoughts on Uncharted 4 emphasizing Nathan Drake's sexual orientation by going into such detail about his marriage and relationship with his wife, Elena. Uncharted 4 even devotes an entire chapter to just being around the home with two heterosexuals acting so overtly heterosexual.
Quite edgy.
Glass Rebel
Member
What part is confusing?
But anyway, this may help:
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...ember-me-because-of-their-female-protagonists
And this thread may shed some light too:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1224957
Just in case that wasn't clear, though, if the writers want to make Ellie "super gay" then I'm all for it, too. The notion that "it's ok if she's gay but not too much because gays are icky" and "eww gay agenda" can die in a fire.
Ellie is gay. Why would she kiss a dude.
Hari Seldon
Member
Isn't Joel pushing like 70 years old at this point?
Kenzodielocke
Banned
Man. Representation does matter.
foxdvd
Member
"Hmm... I can't tell if they're gay"
As I posted earlier when it comes to this...14 year old girls kissing in a romantic way is not in itself what makes them gay. There are a lot of 14 year old boys and girls who experience a romantic encounters with the same sex and are not gay. 14 year old sexuality is way more complicated than that.
*vomits a little*
It's just two gal pals sharing a friendship kiss! Clearly Ellie is in love with Joel!
"Hmm... I can't tell if they're gay"
/s
There's Jodie... but the writing in Beyond was awful and their relationship was kinda creepy.
GravityInsanity
Member
About 54 or 55.
BigEmil
Junior Member
This is how I feel too don't force it
Glass Rebel
Member
what does this even mean
...So why would that change if he were gay?
I mean, you're right. But why does Joel's sexual preference factor into that?
LurkFish17
Member
Hmmm....
Kinda assuming things about me aren't you? I just want the game to be good first and foremost.
If Mick Jagger can dance around the stage and belt out song after song for hours on end at 73 then Joel can still sneak around smashing bricks into the skulls on unsuspecting hunters.
DeathoftheEndless
Crashing this plane... with no survivors!
Was that confirmed to be Joel in the trailer? The voice sounded a little off and it didn't show his face.
SolidSnakex
Member
I don't think that had anything to do with him being straight. The fact that he ends up the way he does with Ellie shows that even if Sarah were his adopted daughter he'd still react similarly.
"Jeez, I wish Uncharted 4 would stop pushing it's heterosexual agenda in my face. It would be fine if it was subtle but it just feels shoehorned into being such a big part of the plot. I just want my videogames not to be political"
Heckler456
Banned
The point of a relationship between Ellie and whomever can't be that they're gay, just like being heterosexual isn't the point of the relationship between Elena and Drake. There has to be something more to it, just like there was something more to Bill and the relationship between Riley and Ellie.
I think Joel's in his late 40s in the first and this one is 5 years later.
Eppy Thatcher
God's had his chance.
As long as all the greatness from the first game is there they can tell almost any story they want and I'll be there.
Would be a double gut punch to have the revenge story be about going after fireflies that killed Joel (say around 1/3rd of the way into the game) then she finds a woman to love who almost manages to pull her out of her darkness only for HER to die and then we have Bill 2.0 in Ellie.
Just a hard as fuck - you've taken everything i loved and i'm gonna burn the world down - 19 year old killing machine.
OOohh! and we'll get some insight into the kind of life that Joel led before the story picked up in Part 1!
anyways... the best part about the characters in TLoU is that they arent tropes and kind of defy the standard holes and pegs most games stick to. Should be great no matter what they decide to do.
Would be a double gut punch to have the revenge story be about going after fireflies that killed Joel (say around 1/3rd of the way into the game) then she finds a woman to love who almost manages to pull her out of her darkness only for HER to die and then we have Bill 2.0 in Ellie.
Just a hard as fuck - you've taken everything i loved and i'm gonna burn the world down - 19 year old killing machine.
OOohh! and we'll get some insight into the kind of life that Joel led before the story picked up in Part 1!
anyways... the best part about the characters in TLoU is that they arent tropes and kind of defy the standard holes and pegs most games stick to. Should be great no matter what they decide to do.
Yeah man being gay is a character thing and TLOU didn't really focus much on characters at all.
Of course it's Joel. And it's his voice.
sono
Member
Dont really care if it is super gay or not either way happy to leave that to ND frankly based on their current track record of sensitivity.
.. the reason I am posting is to say that trailer is absolutely stunning.
Until you do you are missing out, it is amazing.
.. the reason I am posting is to say that trailer is absolutely stunning.
Until you do you are missing out, it is amazing.
"Hmm... I can't tell if they're gay"
That doesn't make her gay.
Angelus Errare
Banned
Wasn't aware it was one or the other.
FarFromAnyGame
Banned
Yes, they had a panel with Troy Baker.
"Hmm... I can't tell if they're gay"
You don't have to be an ass. You could've replied with Druckmann's quote like this...
I felt like the below was a perfectly reasonable interpretation of Left Behind.
But obviously, Druckmann was actually writing Ellie as a gay character.
ViolentP
Member
Of course it matters. But nothing should be forced into the narrative for the sake of representation. If Ellie is in fact gay and that is part of the intended narrative, nothing should sway them away from delivering it as such. But the adverse also exists. If there was no intention in exploring the ambiguity of her sexuality, it should not be forced for the sake of said representation.