Spiritwalker
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I don't mind this at all. Lesbians have been used in video games and promos for ages (usually aimed at straight men), but well-written gay characters and relationships are extremely hard to come by. Not to mention the gay men..
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Waypoint: I Hope The Last of Us Part II is Super Gay (Spoilers)
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I don't think they need to overtly go down that road if it doesn't serve the story, by that I mean if she does for example have a lovel interest, play it like you would any other rather then trying to emphasise it more then it needs to in the context just to make a point of it.
EdibleExplosives
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foxdvd
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This story is going to be about revenge. Ellie will have to balance guilt and anger over her situation. Over the people she has lost. Over the fact that she is immune. Over the fact that the one person in her life that she can look up to, like a father,
. The person that is her rock, and someone she loves, is also responsible for
.
People are worried that this game will be a let down. They say that the story has already been told. I say there is more potential with this narrative than ever. Her sexuality will be a VERY small part of this story.
lied to her
maybe keeping a cure from happening
People are worried that this game will be a let down. They say that the story has already been told. I say there is more potential with this narrative than ever. Her sexuality will be a VERY small part of this story.
Making it super gay is no different than how U4 is super straight.
SolicitorPirate
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"How is this orientation? Isn't it beautiful? If I were to name it in your style, it would be Super Gay Rose."
ViolentP
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It's a story. Gay, straight, white, black, christian, muslim. We are the audience to a story and we should not dictate what that story should include. We hope for something we will enjoy but ultimately judge the result.
I'm not saying it can't. In fact, if it did, I would enjoy the game just the same. I am not expressing any sort of distaste for the idea that Ellie or anyone is gay. I just don't think she should be made gay just because. And I would defend this idea if the shoe was on the other foot. If a story was written with a gay character in mind and they were changed to a straight character for whatever bullshit reason, I would argue against it just the same.
...No, no it doesn't. You're reading too much into the headline. It's just not something that should be avoided. For my part, the best representations of gay characters don't come in after-school special type instances, but rather treating it as a norm and totally okay, and not shying away from it as normal and acceptable. That is really what I hope this game does; let her be gay if they want to write a female partner into the game, and not make it a thing, but have it be as front and center as it would if a male main character had a girlfriend in the same situation.
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This thread has made me laugh a good number of times.
I trust Naughty Dog will handle it well and tell a human story. If there's a past or present romantic interest for Ellie (has there been a Naughty Dog game since the PS3 era without some kind of romancefailed or successfulin a main character's story?), there's a chance it'll be a woman. The fact that Ellie is already confirmed to not be straight makes this game, with or without sexuality in SOME way coming up in the story, feel rather momentous. I really can't think of any big-budget AAA games without a "create a character, choose your adventure" style that had a canonically queer main playable character.
I trust Naughty Dog will handle it well and tell a human story. If there's a past or present romantic interest for Ellie (has there been a Naughty Dog game since the PS3 era without some kind of romancefailed or successfulin a main character's story?), there's a chance it'll be a woman. The fact that Ellie is already confirmed to not be straight makes this game, with or without sexuality in SOME way coming up in the story, feel rather momentous. I really can't think of any big-budget AAA games without a "create a character, choose your adventure" style that had a canonically queer main playable character.
He says at one point that he had to drop out of College due to Sarah iirc. He was probably 17/18 when she was born.
Sarah was 12.
Maybe you don't take it seriously enough.
Reckheim
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I like how they handled it in left behind.
Brat-Sampson
Member
ITT: 'Obviously I'm fine with them including a gay lead character... but *ONLY* if it's also an Oscar-winning screenplay in accordance with arbitrary standards I shall set myself just as soon as I know if they're doing it or not.'
I seriously don't understand your reactions. It's pretty clear what I mean and no, it's not what EdibleExplosions twisted it into.please don't shove gayness down the heteros' throats, please
Orochinagis
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Would be funny if turns like Sym City where the kid fell in love of the officer
Crossing Eden
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Ayyyy
Something what players found hilariously overly masculine [James Bond on steroids] and even devs themselves admitted they shouldn't have done it like they did. They ended up toning it down a lot in TW2 and TW3 so more sexual encounters made more sense and natural, not collectibles like in TW1.
When it comes to Ellie's sexuality I don't think it should be made her defining feature because at that point it could be easily be overdone and too on the nose. Just like Geralt's prowess with women turned it and him into borderline joke in TW1 because how overdone that part of him was.
Shpeshal Nick
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They can avoid a shitload of hatred and just a general shitshow if it remains a subtle hint as opposed to hitting us over the head with it.
It's 2016 for fuck's sake. This shit should not matter. There's no reason there should be an issue with a gay female lead in a videogame about killing infected human beings.
It's 2016 for fuck's sake. This shit should not matter. There's no reason there should be an issue with a gay female lead in a videogame about killing infected human beings.
SolidSnakex
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I think you're making a big leap there. It's just the fact that he had a daughter that is a big plot point. Sarah being biological isn't really the point considering how he ultimately ends up with Ellie.
I mean, if you want to talk about an element where his sexuality comes into play I think you'd have a much better argument by bringing up Tess. Because in the final scene she makes it pretty clear that there was something between them, and he ultimately decides to continue what they started with Ellie in part because of her.
I'm not even talking about games with a romance focus, I'm talking about any game with any degree of story. Games can casually reference a main character's sexual preference in the context of a joke, one liner, flashback scene, etc. It doesn't have to be a big deal... Unless that character isn't straight, apparently, and then some people start taking issue. (Edit: And to clarify, I'm not targeting you here.)
My friend. Reread the entire article, it is a textbook case of 'itsfuckingnothing.gif'. She isn't so much HOPING that they deal with Ellie being a lesbian in the second so much as trying to pass speculation based on HER OWN wants/hopes and projections based on concept art image. The way it is written and disseminated reads like fact rather than unsubstantiated speculation. At least wait until you have something concrete. And I never said outraged, but the way she wrote her article, if none of this comes to pass, you just know there will be further articles of why this couldn't happen etc.
Cyborg
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Thats right. I just enjoy the games! Who cares if I play with a male, female, gay, straight, black or white. Im playing with a human in my eyes, the rest is irrelevant to me. As long as I enjoy my games and have fun.
The rest is political/social bullshit
At this point I almost hope Ellie and the story are super gay and it still knocks things out the park just so we can shut the fuck up about forcing gay themes and characters into a story unless its somehow directly tied up with the story being told.
Morrigan Stark
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I thought she wasn't confirmed to be lesbian, and could be bisexual. Something about how she'd have fallen in love with a boy version of Riley too, or something, from an interview? But if she's canonically gay then OK.
10/10 All of the GOTYs
Hahahaha, seriously
Hari Seldon
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Ok then with these facts Joel is:
18 (when he had sarah) +12 (Sarah's age) +20 (time after prologue) = 50 at the beginning of TLoU.
Emperor_Uriel
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And yet it would be way more controversial if she were straight, as many "men don't like to play as women who are attracted to men" conversations have made apparent.
I'll also say that, as a man with a straight daughter who resembles Ellie in both looks and style, the whole "masculine/androgynous presentation = automatic lesbian" concept has got to go. It's very regressive and causes her a lot of stress since she wants to have short hair and wear clothes she likes, but hates the idea that boys will assume she's not into them because of her look.
Lesbians don't dress that way because being gay automatically gives you an affinity for plaid, but because they're already beyond the point of needing to adhere to societies expectations. There are so many straight women who would love to dress and behave in non-traditional ways, but don't see it as being worth the stigma.
I'll also say that, as a man with a straight daughter who resembles Ellie in both looks and style, the whole "masculine/androgynous presentation = automatic lesbian" concept has got to go. It's very regressive and causes her a lot of stress since she wants to have short hair and wear clothes she likes, but hates the idea that boys will assume she's not into them because of her look.
Lesbians don't dress that way because being gay automatically gives you an affinity for plaid, but because they're already beyond the point of needing to adhere to societies expectations. There are so many straight women who would love to dress and behave in non-traditional ways, but don't see it as being worth the stigma.
Because we know videogames never ever touch on political or social themes. In fact if they do the game becomes bull shit right?
It's only "bullshit" when it doesn't have to do with you, apparently. But please continue with how "above it all" you are.
BronsonLee
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Damn for a 50 year old he did alright what with the punchin' and stabbin'
EdibleExplosives
Member
Wow, a literal "I don't see colour" post.
A gay story be quite enjoyable though. Social and political bullshit, and all.
How did you come to 8?
Of course it's speculation. "I hope" is in the title ffs. It's based on facts from the last game and a reading of the trailer, and she's saying what she's like the game to be. And I don't "just know there will be future articles". I've read the writers work before, i've listened to podcasts with her on them. She is a good critic and the weird stereotype box you're putting her in speaks volumes.
Yeah, no.
That's a complete twisting of what people are saying to fit your narrative.
Try again, maybe less snarky.
The leads in later Bioware games are usually whatever the user wants them to be. Except in Dragon Age 2 where all of your team members were pretty aggressive in their sexuality.
In Dragon Age 2, Anders made out with my Male Hawke, because I was generally nice to him.
"Hey good job back there. You really came through"
*make out session*
Everything made by someone in a political world who is a social human being (and in this case, dozens/hundreds of them) is inherently political and social commentary. Even if just a little bit. Zombie apocalypse stories tend to lean more towards intentionally commentary than not, though.
I don't get the "don't force it" or "make it subtle" comments. It seems people only say these things when it comes to a minority character. Like, is there a point where something is too overtly gay for some people to safely ignore, and that's when it's "forced" or "shoehorned in"?
boy bye
Hari Seldon
Member
I don't care what ND does as long as it is good. But the OP is a bit silly. Judging the character by what she is wearing? Do they have malls and shit in the post apocalyptic world? Does she have much choice?
plasmawave
Banned
You know Ellie, we really are super gay.
You realize that you're employing some political/social bullshit when you suddenly demand that a potentially queer character in a story-driven game be as closeted as possible? Do you not see how that notion is shaped by political / social conditioning? If not, I ask: would you react the same way if it was mentioned offhand that Ellie has a boyfriend?
Only 2 spots away from bingo!
This needs to be the OT title lol
Double standards are a beautiful thing.