JeffCannata said:Who's the what now? I don't understand.
You said that.
JeffCannata said:Who's the what now? I don't understand.
I find his remixes using snippets of past shows in the breaks to be really charming and well produced. He has a big talent for that. His attempts at hip-hop are surprisingly amateurish, I agree.MoeB said:I can't take anymore of this show. Every time I hear anything Del Rio related I get the urge to stab my ears.
f0rk said:You said that.
HamPster PamPster said:That was Vinny level stuff right there. You know I think its time for a new Vinny and Jeffendurance runCannata
It was a funny little blunder, no one called you an idiot. In a way it illustrated the lack of precision in the discussions (which therefore often lead nowhere interesting). »There are two sides to each coin« is similar to but doesn't mean the same as »it's a double-edged sword«. That doesn't really matter, of course, since this is a very casual podcast.JeffCannata said:I said coin instead of sword? I'm an idiot!
Proposed Law said:I just want a Jeff Cannata podcast about board and video games. Time to go solo!
bigdaddygamebot said:This too.
As much as I rage against him and how we're diametrically opposed when it comes to video games. He and I are usually on the same page when it comes to boardgames...
Phonology is tricky and the brain thousands of years old. Ch is mixed up with K and not readily present, if you're trying to remember names starting with the letter C.futnownarcade said:Were they joking about not knowing any guests whose name start with C? Poor Spicer.
Goldmund said:It was a funny little blunder, no one called you an idiot. In a way it illustrated the lack of precision in the discussions (which therefore often lead nowhere interesting). »There are two sides to each coin« is similar to but doesn't mean the same as »it's a double-edged sword«. That doesn't really matter, of course, since this is a very casual podcast.
The mix-up (or the imprecision it introduced, if it were a vital part of a debate) passed unnoticed in order to maintain a certain level of nonchalance. There's the connection. Again, I think it rightfully did. This isn't something this particular podcast should concern itself with.hey_it's_that_dog said:I don't think it illustrated anything except that sometimes people mix up to phrases when speaking extemporaneously. Garnett does it constantly. I don't know if he's ever correctly replicated an actual idiom in the English language.
Goldmund said:The mix-up (or the imprecision it introduced, if it were a vital part of a debate) passed unnoticed in order to maintain a certain level of nonchalance. There's the connection. Again, I think it rightfully did. This isn't something this particular podcast should concern itself with.
Neuromancer said:Take a drink every time:
Jeff:
mentions Heavy Rain or Red Dead Redemption or Just Cause 2 (DangerStepp)
Proposed Law said:I just want a Jeff Cannata podcast about board and video games. Time to go solo!
Why are you desperately trying to make this an argument about your purported ignorance? This has nothing to do with you or even that particular blunder (of which we all make more than we can remember each day). It's the format that sometimes is at odds with the show's aspirations. It shows. This could have been made apparent by the way you'd have handled a broken microphone, a hiccup fit -- whatever. The double-edged coin worked this episode. The chain of signifiers can easily be wrapped around its significate for a good reason.JeffCannata said:Or, perhaps I was subtly indicating the power imbalance vis a vis money and weapons in our society. My own penis mightier, if you will.
Nah, you're right, it was a much larger indicator of my overall lack of precision. Gah! Idiot! Curse me and my slips of the tongue!
No lie, no sarcasm, no joke, and no hard feelings, I shall truly endeavor to be more precise.
Goldmund said:Why are you desperately trying to make this an argument about your purported ignorance? This has nothing to do with you or even that particular blunder (of which we all make more than we can remember each day). It's the format that sometimes is at odds with the show's aspirations. It shows. This could have been made apparent by the way you'd have handled a broken microphone, a hiccup fit -- whatever. The double-edged coin worked this episode. The chain of signifiers can easily be wrapped around its significate for a good reason.
JeffCannata said:First of all, it wasn't ignorance. I am well aware of the difference between the two idioms.
Secondly, I evidently have no idea what your point is. The format is at odds with the aspirations? And this shows? What does that mean? How does my "blunder" point to a larger show problem? I honestly want to know.
I took your point to mean that I misspoke and that indicated a lack of clarity and circumspection. Which I acknowledged with humility and good humor. I find it always helpful to be reminded of one's sloppiness in an effort to remain vigilant. Which I promised to do.
Beyond that I am lost.
Proposed Law said:I just want a Jeff Cannata podcast about board and video games. Time to go solo!
Yes, I never said you were an idiot or ignorant, but you kept sarcastically referring to yourself as an »idiot« as if I had. That's why I put purported in front.JeffCannata said:First of all, it wasn't ignorance. I am well aware of the difference between the two idioms.
My point is that the nonchalance of the show (a main draw for me) bars the type of deeper discussions you're trying to tackle from going very far. This isn't a problem at all, at least it isn't for me. The sharpened coin simply triggered an aha reaction: »oh right, that's why the same topics are never satisfyingly exhausted, it's a lack of precision.«JeffCannata said:Secondly, I evidently have no idea what your point is. The format is at odds with the aspirations? And this shows? What does that mean? How does my "blunder" point to a larger show problem? I honestly want to know.
No, not that you misspoke. The two proverbs you mixed up are very close in meaning to each other, but on closer inspection, they point at different things. Nobody picked up on this. And why should they? It's such a minor thing.JeffCannata said:I took your point to mean that I misspoke and that indicated a lack of clarity and circumspection. Which I acknowledged with humility and good humor. I find it always helpful to be reminded of one's sloppiness in an effort to remain vigilant. Which I promised to do.
Did I make myself clearer this time?JeffCannata said:Beyond that I am lost.
Goldmund said:Yes, I never said you were an idiot or ignorant, but you kept sarcastically referring to yourself as an »idiot« as if I had. That's why I put purported in front.
My point is that the nonchalance of the show (a main draw for me) bars the type of deeper discussions you're trying to tackle from going very far. This isn't a problem at all, at least it isn't for me. The sharpened coin simply triggered an aha reaction: »oh right, that's why the same topics are never satisfyingly exhausted, it's a lack of precision.«
No, not that you misspoke. The two proverbs you mixed up are very close in meaning to each other, but on closer inspection, they point at different things. Nobody picked up on this. And why should they? It's such a minor thing.
However, it reminded me of how oftentimes your (not yours specifically) choice of words and sentences is vague enough to introduce an imprecision that makes every point one is trying to make weaker than it should be. And this choice isn't governed by a lack of intellect or anything, but by the pragmatics of the show.
Clarity is always welcome, but there's always the chance of making the show boring and unlistenable. It's a double-edged coin, so to speak.
Did I make myself clearer this time?
Neuromancer said:Hooray indeed! I have no idea what Goldmund's trying to say if that makes you feel any better, Jeff. It could just be that he's trolling you at this point.
I agree with everything you said. I find myself forwarding through most of the podcast these days and it's not something I have done alot and I have literally listened to every single podcast going back to 1UP.Jetku said:This might be my last episode. I just can't stand it anymore and turned it off after a half hour.
Way too many sexual jokes. I am not against them in theory, these guys' jokes just aren't funny.
Too much preachiness/philosophizing... Your opinion is not THE opinion, and not everything is visceral, phenomal, or sexually-pleasing amazing (ohhh so good..-Garnett)
I wish garnett had a cast that could keep him reigned in. His personality is too strong, so it only works for me when he is with other really strong personalities on a podcast. The WC crew just seems to play him up.
And no, not everyone wants to listen to 'Garnetts indie music' segment on a video game podcast. I listen while driving and have no way to easily fast forward through it...
Apologize for venting, but it's frustrating that my favorite podcast host's show has fallen from my good graces.
Nailed it.24FrameDaVinci said:Jeff, you're too good at what you do to bring yourself down and argue with GAF'fers, you're the best thing the show has going right now by far.
This, except replace EDF with FFXIII.Rabbitwork said:THANK YOU BASED GARNET.
andrea's comments on EDF are trollish at best, totally ignorant at worst. i actually kind of agree with jeff that it could've been a downloadable title from the start, but i think saying trenched delivers a better experience is just patently silly. they're comparable on shallow levels.
Not exactly, but yes. I wanted to wryly respond with something from the show as well, something that stuck with me. I didn't mean to prove anything. I agree that my first two posts were belligerent and mean-spirited and I apologize.JeffCannata said:If we are to continue beating this dead horse I want you to understand me as well. Your very first comment in this thread was that no one on the show, save Garnett, is worth listening to. Upon reading someone else's opinion to the contrary, you smugly cited my quote as proof of your position. "Just wait".
Again, this is a very natural phenomenon when talking swiftly. There's no need to feel dumb because of it and I wouldn't have called you out on it myself. That'd be a petty thing to do. I'm glad the others didn't.JeffCannata said:I did substitute the wrong word for some reason. I find myself doing that more and more these days, my mouth not listening to my brain, and felt pretty dumb. Not ignorant. Dumb. Very different. I know the difference, and should have caught it. I made a self-effacing joke of acknowledgement in this thread and made pains to emphasize there was no sarcasm or hard feelings present.
It's not a problem and nonchalance is the enemy of nothing, but that's kinda what I said, yes. Let me give you an example.JeffCannata said:The thing that gets me is the way you continue to assign import to this slip as if it is evidence of a larger problem. I am unclear why you harp on "nonchalance" as if it is an enemy of depth. I find you can be casual and introspective at the same time.
I think so too. Your mix-up didn't introduce any imprecision into the discussion. It just reminded me of how they work.JeffCannata said:I think everyone in the discussion understood I meant double edged sword. So the imprecision in question was not even vague. (but you also like the nonchalance? That is preventing deeper discussions? So my takeaway is that we shouldn't attempt deep discussion? Gosh, I dunno)
It's more like »it's weird to see people trying to treat Transformers as an introduction to a philosophy course«. Although, that'd be a cool approach. So, yes, I did make a very trite point.JeffCannata said:I agree with you that clarity can become boring and unlistenable. It is certainly having that effect on this thread. And many will argue I shouldn't waste my time here, but I still fail to see your point and I'm having fun trying to understand. If it is simply "sometimes people can be vague - that sucks" or "if you don't make your point sharply enough it can be misunderstood" then, yeah, such are the perils of talking. That's nothing unique to our show.
I think they're out of the show's depth as it now stands, not out of the individuals' it's comprised of.JeffCannata said:But you've SEEMED to be pretty humorless and pedantic about it as proof of me having no "voice worth sharing". And you SEEMED to indicate that our more philosophical discussions were out of our depth. Which, let's be honest, is a pretty douchey thing to say.
Indeed.JeffCannata said:Again, no animosity here. Just fun time happy pants.
Hooray for Internet forums!
Hey, it could be worse. I could be threatening to stop listening to the show. I'm still an avid listener, haven't missed a single episode.Proposed Law said:If not trolling, he's just bringing the party down at this point. Don't sweat it Jeff. I would hate having GAF follow me around and have a retort to every comment I made in a day. Can we get back to talking about how creepy Garnett was this week or board games?
Neuromancer said:Drinking game.
Goldmund said:I find his remixes using snippets of past shows in the breaks to be really charming and well produced. He has a big talent for that. His attempts at hip-hop are surprisingly amateurish, I agree.