It is on the front page of the huffington post.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/05/wikileaks-exposes-video-o_n_525569.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/05/wikileaks-exposes-video-o_n_525569.html
Pandaman said:i'm loling at grandiose assholes who think its acceptable for helicopter pilots to murder a dozen innocent people because they were 'hiding suspiciously' from a helicopter they probably never even saw or considered. all because they were in the same area of a convoy and group of 'insurgents' they also probably knew nothing about.
stupid civilians should be more psychic i guess.
Finally, most people can understand and accept the corner rpg angle from a helicopter gunner whose tense. unluckily for everyone involved, there's a whole bucket load of inexcusably shit in these videos, so maybe you should watch more than the first 5 minutes or atleast stop obfuscating everyones disapproval with the very first incident.
Kandrick said:Accident ? Is it an accident to shoot the dudes in the van who stops by, who are obviously trying to help the guy still alive, like to bring him to hospital ? A van with 2 kids inside ? An accident yeah.... They just wanted to blow shit up.
avatar299 said:Do you know what an rpg looks like?
avatar299 said:Should soldiers should walk around bartering with insurgents?
there might be a few models i'm unfamiliar with. the iraqi military uses the 7 though and i do know what that looks like. pretty much anyone whose ever played a shooter game knows that one.avatar299 said:Do you know what an rpg looks like?
the man was not hiding.phoenixdark said:The man was hiding behind a corner and seemed to be aiming in the direction of the helicopter at one point.
mello said:
taylor910 said:Can someone explain to me where the camera thing came from? I just watched the whole video and that is not mentioned once.
A soldier on the ground even says, "I see what looks to be an rpg where you said you engaged the target" or something like that. The choppers tell them to get pictures of everything.
Im confused...
kyo_daikun said:At this point they are still under the impression they are terrorists or enemy combatants. The guys picking them up could be other terrorists trying to save their mates and reclaim their weapons (im sure they would prefer them to be left so they can get their details/ interrogate the one still alive for intel), if it was reversed do you think the taliban/ terrorists would allow the americans to rescue their injured troops? Not a chance in hell.
All a big accident, their attitudes are shameful tho.
mugurumakensei said:1) Unless you only want to kill yourself and your allies, you don't aim a rpg to the ground.
2) The supposed "rpg" was seen earlier in the video. It's quite small.
Alucrid said:He was aiming his camera street level so nothing was point at the sky.
So by using military resources and intelligence to retaliate against the whistle blowers by targeting and outing them, they hope to suppress additional releases by removing Wikileaks' ability to protect their ananymity.Just last month, WikiLeaks posted the results of a U.S. counterintelligence investigation into none other than WikiLeaks itself. The report determined that WikiLeaks "represents a potential force protection, counterintelligence, operational security (OPSEC), and information security (INFOSEC) threat to the US Army."
The report also concludes, highly suggestively: "Wikileaks.org uses trust as a center of gravity by assuring insiders, leakers, and whistleblowers who pass information to Wikileaks.org personnel or who post information to the Web site that they will remain anonymous. The identification, exposure, or termination of employment of or legal actions against current or former insiders, leakers, or whistleblowers could damage or destroy this center of gravity and deter others from using Wikileaks.org to make such information public."
mello said:
mello said:
Wil Wheaton said:This is why the news media in America is a complete joke. Comparison of CNN vs. Al Jazeera's home pages today: http://i.imgur.com/NVih0.jpg
They should, and they probably do. That looks like an rpg to me.DarthWoo said:This being a gaming forum, I'd imagine most of us DO know what a RPG looks like. Now take a trained military pilot and gunner, would you not say that they should probably be even more aware of what one looks like than us?
Zombie James said:That was fucking disturbing to watch. Saying "nice" at the sight of dead bodies isn't a normal human reaction, I hope all the people involved got or get some serious psychological counseling.
GAZERK said:2.) You have the privilege of going back and reviewing the tape, the soldiers in the helicopter did not.
avatar299 said:They should, and they probably do. That looks like an rpg to me.
To me, that looks like a guy peaking around the wall with an rpg resting against the side of his torso. Not a camera. Add that with the fact that he is with a group carrying AK's....
Pandaman said:there might be a few models i'm unfamiliar with. the iraqi military uses the 7 though and i do know what that looks like. pretty much anyone whose ever played a shooter game knows that one.
the man was not hiding.
mugurumakensei said:We know two of the guys who were shot were reporters. The "RPG" was much too small, and the "AK" was clearly a tripod. So, what do you think?
that looks like a very accurate portrayal of what the American people care about. Bitch all you want but I bet this thread won't even touch the amount of traffic that the OS4 thread gets today.Xabora said:
PhoenixDark said:He wasn't crouching behind a corner? Come on. I'm so tired of the monday morning quarterbacking these types of issues spawn. At 4:09 it certainly looks like the man is getting ready to fire something, that's not debatable; he stands up and seems to point at the helicopter just as the view is obscured by the building. Even if the video is disturbing, it's odd people cannot put themselves in the soldiers shoes and admit this was a high tension, dangerous situation and yes, mistakes can be made in those situations.
I'm done with this thread. I see where this is going.
Exactlymugurumakensei said:The soldiers also had plenty of time to wait and assess rather than getting trigger happy considering that group never fired on anyone.
taylor910 said:Just trying not to jump to conclusions. If it is DEFINITELY NOT an rpg, then how is it DEFINITELY a tripod? and a camera?
Zombie James said:That was fucking disturbing to watch. Saying "nice" at the sight of dead bodies isn't a normal human reaction, I hope all the people involved got or get some serious psychological counseling.
Yeah, anyone who thinks this a bunch of bad apples are wrong. This is the result of the system, not the soldiers.Aesius said:It's not a normal human reaction, but it's a normal military reaction. As others have said, when you join the military and are assigned to a combative role, you are trained to think of the enemy as just that - the fucking enemy. You don't sit and ponder the implications of killing dozens of people, you just do it. And you might brag about it, because that's the culture of military dudes who are deployed. It's not up to you to decide whether that's right or wrong. That attitude is encouraged because it helps get the job done.
Whether the job itself is right is another issue. But taking offense because someone in the military killed people (who he thought were the enemy) and was happy about it is just naive as fuck. And recommending they get counseling? :lol
Al-jazira looks way more professional.Xabora said:
Stridone said:What should they say? A prayer every time they kill a terrorist piece of scum (which they believed they just killed)? Especially from their position, where it really is hardly more than a video game, it's hard to really feel bad about killing some human-shaped figures. I think it's understandable, especially if you've already got some war experience.
mugurumakensei said:The soldiers also had plenty of time to wait and assess rather than getting trigger happy considering that group never fired on anyone.
El_TigroX said:While I'm glad Fox News put that up, "Appears to show...?" What the hell do they have to do to move to "Shows?"
GAZERK said:Plenty of time being several minutes? Sure, to us that's a lot of time, but when you're worrying about some bad dudes blowing up friendlies you don't have "plenty of time."
Aesius said:It's not a normal human reaction, but it's a normal military reaction. As others have said, when you join the military and are assigned to a combative role, you are trained to think of the enemy as just that - the fucking enemy. You don't sit and ponder the implications of killing dozens of people, you just do it. And you might brag about it, because that's the culture of military dudes who are deployed. It's not up to you to decide whether that's right or wrong. That attitude is encouraged because it helps get the job done.
Whether the job itself is right is another issue. But taking offense because someone in the military killed people (who he thought were the enemy) and was happy about it is just naive as fuck. And recommending they get counseling? :lol
That whole CNN front page looks like what I'd expect to see from E! News, not a mainstream professional news outlet. Pales in comparison to al Jazeera.Xabora said:
the man was not crouching behind anything. your perception of this is borne solely from your point of view from the gunners seat. the man was standing and crouching on a streetcorner in the bright light of the day with a group of his buddies. the man was an innocent civilian. he wasn't trying to hide from the helicopter he never saw. nothing he did makes him responsible for that slaughter in any sense of the word.PhoenixDark said:He wasn't crouching behind a corner? Come on. I'm so tired of the monday morning quarterbacking these types of issues spawn. At 4:09 it certainly looks like the man is getting ready to fire something, that's not debatable; he stands up and seems to point at the helicopter just as the view is obscured by the building. Even if the video is disturbing, it's odd people cannot put themselves in the soldiers shoes and admit this was a high tension, dangerous situation and yes, mistakes can be made in those situations.
I'm done with this thread. I see where this is going.
Come on, let us shoot!PhoenixDark said:He wasn't crouching behind a corner? Come on. I'm so tired of the monday morning quarterbacking these types of issues spawn. At 4:09 it certainly looks like the man is getting ready to fire something, that's not debatable; he stands up and seems to point at the helicopter just as the view is obscured by the building. Even if the video is disturbing, it's odd people cannot put themselves in the soldiers shoes and admit this was a high tension, dangerous situation and yes, mistakes can be made in those situations.
I'm done with this thread. I see where this is going.
the convoy was in range to fire shots at the group seconds after the helicopter didmugurumakensei said:The group never fired even when fired upon. The military had more than several minutes too considering the convoy got their a while after the group was shot.
oh come on.Aesius said:Moral high horse GAF is eating this thread up.
dont forget 'just pick up a gun' [and give me an excuse]Brinbe said:Come on, let us shoot!
Oh, yeah, right through the windshield! HA HA!