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[alstein]

Horrific, life-like violence = okay.

Sexual content = big no-no.

A microcosm of western society as a whole.

I think if a game passes ESRB and/or PEGI standards, it should be discussable and not locked on sight. Mod warnings and low tolerance should be issued, not bans.

I'd make the argument that the game passing those standards and being considered sellable by a console manufacturer is sufficient to assume the game isn't pornographic. This is assuming legal liability was the reason for this.

Personally, I find this sort of game disgusting, and I'm not going to die on the hill of Criminal Girls, but I think this is unfair given it passed the ratings board. (whatever the flaws of the rating board, it's still legal cover IMO)

Edit: if there's a rule that games with sexualized children are liable to have discussion banned on them, I can live with that. Just need to make it clear that's why the thread was locked/banned. (not just "we don't discuss games like that here" more like "This is about sexualizing children- we the mods don't want discussion of games like this here") Yeah, it's pretty obvious, but it's not 100% obvious to everyone.

 

[Vire]

Kudos to you two for actually taking the time to explain the thought process here rather than dismissing people asking legitimate questions. I think your logic is sound.

At the same time, it seems pretty cut and dry and obvious why the game is prohibited on the site. Bishop outlined why in two sentences or less.

I don't really get what people are confused about.

 

[Griss]

As a result of a few different industry trends, we're seeing an increasing number of games being released and localized that focus their appeal around sexualized interaction with young children, or characters who appear to be young children. A few years ago this type of content typically wouldn't be allowed by Western platform-holders at all; today it's getting published with light censorship.

Threads about these games get creepy very, very quickly. They tend to bring out discussion which is, in and of itself, bannable due to inappropriate or offensive sexual content. They frequently involve content that cannot actually be discussed or posted without breaking our NSFW rules. And even if neither of these happens, they often degenerate into angry discussions about censorship, pedophilia, or child pornography. Frankly, we don't like moderating these threads, and we don't think they reflect well on the community.

We're not trying for philosophical rigor here. Maybe lots of people enjoy GTA in ways that can defensibly be understood as being just as creepy as something like Criminal Girls. But that doesn't dominate threads about GTA, those threads don't turn into arguments about murder-philia, and they don't trigger the same kind of fundamental revulsion. So we're not saying these games can't exist or even that people can't enjoy them. We just don't want them /here/.

We're not going to draw an absolute sharp boundary on this. We just want to make it clear going forward that games which focus on the sexualization of children are not appropriate for our community. Criminal Girls is out. Games that include creepy elements as one small part are okay -- Fire Emblem isn't inappropriate to discuss even though we don't want long thread derails about its more unpleasant fanservice elements.

On the one hand, that third para is everything I was trying to say in my post earlier. On the other hand, don't you talk bad about my Nowi or Morgan. Don't you do that!

Even if every single person was okay with the conversation about the games it would still be up to the moderation to decide if the thread is allowed.

I personally think eliminating all avenues of sexual expression for deviant sexual philias could be potentially more harmful than allowing certain ways of expression to exist, but that means nothing in context of moderation standards. Those are set by those in charge. Very simple.

Totally agree with you, man. There might be a place for that stuff, and it might even be beneficial to society. I'm open-minded about that. This just ain't the place.

 

[Sakura]

Alright, so clearly it's the underage sexualization and not just the punishment. A lot more titles just got the "no" to discussion on GAF, I guess.

What the heck are the Vita owners supposed to talk about any more then?

 

[Shun]

1000 years old, I heard. Which means I should probably get that thread reopened.


You assume that this is an appropriate forum for discussing new news on games that involve the sexualization of little kids.

Nope.

I'm not defending it at all nor am I making that assumption. Your explanation is thorough and understandable.

 

[jay]

Wow...
Again...This is blowing my mind on how society works sometime.

IT IS NOT OKAY to call someone a racial slur, but IT IS OKAY to call someone a pedophile?
Amazing!
Simply amazing.

Does a pedophile have to have acted on his feelings? If so, it's unfair to call people pedophiles and more appropriate to accuse them of being aroused by children.

Also, are you suggesting that it should be ok to call someone a racial slur? If not, I don't see the value in your comparison.

 

[jim-jam bongs]

Kudos to you two for actually taking the time to explain the thought process here rather than dismissing people asking legitimate questions. I think your logic is sound.

I have huge respect for Charlie and Steve, big fan of their work. But if you really need a comprehensive explanation for why cartoon child porn is being banned here then you need to take a long hard look at your life.

 

[Watch Da Birdie]

Wow...
Again...This is blowing my mind on how society works sometime.

IT IS NOT OKAY to call someone a racial slur, but IT IS OKAY to call someone a pedophile?
Amazing!
Simply amazing.

I'm not calling anyone on here a pedophile, I'm calling the Japanese dudes who make this game about having sex with underage girls pedophiles. And even if they're not pedophiles themselves, they're making money off purposefully appealing to that demographic which is just as bad.

 

[hardcastlemccormick]

Every thread on this subject inevitably turns into demanding some sort of clear line of what's okay and what's not. I think it's pretty clear there's always been a gray area, and where that gray area and "not okay" stuff will just have to fall to the mods to decide.

We're all rational adults capable of deciding what we personally find moral or acceptable, but in the end we're hanging out at another dude's house.

 

[Chie Satonaka]

Maybe there's a moral quandary when it comes to sexualized depictions of children for you and some others but I don't think that makes it so.

How I feel about it personally isn't relevant, but since I apparently need to make myself clear:

As someone who actually quite enjoys fanservice, Criminal Girls is not a game I'm interested in. Some of the mechanics sound interesting to me from the standpoint of gameplay, but the whole "punishment" touch and rub thing is unsettling to me. It was unsettling in Senran Kagura, and there's only one character there that looks "young". A friend and I had a similar conversation about Bullet Girls or whatever that game was. Gameplay doesn't look that bad. The other stuff is a bit too over the top. It's not for me.

Having said that, I'm not gonna automatically call someone out as being some kind of sick pedo jerk for enjoying the game, just like I'm not going to call someone a chest thumping man child psychopath for enjoying the more questionable aspects of Grand Theft Auto or serial killers in training for enjoying fatalities in Mortal Kombat. It's not my place to judge.

After seeing some of the mods' posts on the matter, I'm going to withdraw from this line of discussion because I think what they've said in regard to the matter is reasonable, and I don't own NeoGAF. It's unfortunate that we can't have civilized discussion about these matters (and there's actually an outstanding discission to be had on sex and violence in video games) without it going to the ugliest places.

 

[Vigilant Gambit]

Let me start by stating that everyone has their own individual set of values, and we do understand that. Our goal with the policy going forward is not necessarily to single out any group of fans as outright reprehensible people for liking video games, particularly not games that are released legally and rated by the ESRB. Further, there are valid arguments to consider in terms of why other morally dubious content seemingly gets a pass.

Having said that, though, I want to also state that the consensus on the moderation team here is that -- fair or not -- we really have next to no desire to have games that feature sexual content starring characters that either are or appear to be underrage given a platform here. We have even less desire (i.e. none) to actually have to read and moderate these threads. As such, these threads will often go unmoderated.

This is a problem. It's a problem for everyone. It's a problem for fans of the game that actually want to talk about the game and aren't necessarily there just to oogle questionable artwork. It's a problem when imagery gets posted that goes beyond what we consider in good taste and we aren't there to react. It's a problem for us in that we get complaints from people on either side of the issue and feel a sense of responsibility to react, but don't really know what to do. Do we go in to promote civility in the conversation, or do we go in to crack down on what we deem to be inappropriate sexual content that features characters that appear to be minors? I think by and large, several (perhaps most) just opt out of doing anything because we simply want no part of the conversation. Frankly, the less I personally know about Monster Monpiece or Criminal Girls, the better.

But that's not appropriate as an official policy. It's confusing for you, and it's even confusing for us. So the consensus we've reached in regards to these games that prominently feature underage girl fan-service is to simply not give them a platform here. That's not to say that we all out and out condemn the very existence of these products and the fans that would play and want to talk about them. But we just honestly feel that there is no place for it here.

As always, if you have questions about a particular game, or a facet of the conversation that you are unclear of, you are more than welcome to PM moderation with your comments and concerns.

Why not?

We should have a set of guidelines as to what kinds of games are not okay to discuss on NeoGAF. Clearly not Criminal Girl or anything like it. But topics like these wondering "why?" wouldn't creep up if we stated "if it's got x, y, or z, it's no good here."

And by stated I mean put in the TOS.

 

[NoirVisage]

RIP

Spoiler

Vita

threads.



No I understand, but what I'm saying is if that was the reason then why open yourself up to accountability at -any- time? If you're going to close a thread then it seems like you'd be doing it via modbot each time, just in case.

Sorry, I get your point, why?
Because some moderation's are more popular than others and not everyone has the stomach to make certain ones without scapegoat.

 

[Lord of Castamere]

But that's not appropriate as an official policy. It's confusing for you, and it's even confusing for us. So the consensus we've reached in regards to these games that prominently feature underage girl fan-service is to simply not give them a platform here. That's not to say that we all out and out condemn the very existence of these products and the fans that would play and want to talk about them. But we just honestly feel that there is no place for it here.

Completely understandable. A unified decision had to be made, and I'm glad you all took the time to lay it out for us.

There are always other forums for specialized tastes. Negaf isn't the only pace on the internet.

 

[akaoni]

It's just part of a larger trend. Users are people with flaws, but more importantly the moderators have flaws too. The moderation policy enables a certain extreme sides of things to have their way very easily, particularly when there's any kind of cultural moral values or politics involved. Whether it's because it's just that much easier to tidy things up by appeasing a lynch mob, or the moderator's personal stance. The conversation usually goes one way or the opposition gets banned/gains traction and the discussion gets shutdown. There's the wider social implications they want to maintain, for advertisers for which sexual content is taboo and the image for non-members so they would probably have to save face anyway, just think of how most view sites like Reddit or 4chan with more freedom, people look for the worst in them very often. The policy is what it is, it can be shaped by the users to a degree but the people who run the place have egos, feelings, stances on things even outside the financial risks. You just have to accept it if it wasn't obvious enough already. The game that caused this I don't know much about it so I can't say anything there.

 

[Ken]

darn I was almost done with the banner too

 

[Abriael]

It's not a porn but in the trailer you see a girl who appears to be 10-12 with legs outstretched and labia showing while you rub/smack hurt which is pretty disturbing.

Which is exactly what I meant about the fact that many here don't really know much or anything about the contents of the game.

I'm not sure which trailer you saw, but there's no labia showing.

As a matter of fact, there's no sexual bits showing at all in any part of the game. It's simply not that kind of game, which is why Sony deemed it acceptable for publishing first on PSP and then on Vita.

 

[Aske]

I imagine that a large subset of people who bought games like Manhunt or who buy the Mortal Kombat games do so specifically to see the violent killings.

Hello! I absolutely bought Manhunt because it was a murder simulator, and much of the appeal of Mortal Kombat is its gore. I still enjoy going back to Dark Sector just to cut dudes to pieces with the glaive. I'm a 17 year old 90s kid at heart. Killing people in games is awesome. I can't remember the last game I enjoyed that didn't involve violent killing in some capacity. That being said, I have no interest in killing anyone or anything in real life. I practise yoga five days a week, have always turned down opportunities to go hunting because it doesn't interest me, and I find small furry animals adorable.

I know nothing about this game besides the descriptions in this thread, but I would find it odd if the discussion of any game with an ESRB certificate was banned. As others have said, GAF is not a democracy; but clarification of the reasoning behind this decision would be much appreciated.

Edit: ...And it seems that clarification appeared while I was posting. Thanks!

 

[Seik]

Wow...
Again...This is blowing my mind on how society works sometime.

IT IS NOT OKAY to call someone a racial slur, but IT IS OKAY to call someone a pedophile?
Amazing!
Simply amazing.

If you're getting off on the fetishization of young children experiencing corporal punishment in a sexual manner? If the shoe fits.

Oh man, Bish, thank you for getting those words out of my mouth. Because it probably would've came out a bit differently in my case.

 

[Chance Hale]

Which is exactly what I meant about the fact that many here don't really know much or anything about the contents of the game.

I'm not sure which trailer you saw, but there's no labia showing.

As a matter of fact, there's no sexual bits showing at all in any part of the game.

Trailer from 7 months ago on ign, not the recent one.

Link, also has some candle play among other such things There are literally close ups where that is all you can see. So what exactly is the game?

 

[Neiteio]

I have huge respect for Charlie and Steve, big fan of their work. But if you really need a comprehensive explanation for why cartoon child porn is being banned here then you need to take a long hard look at your life.

I don't need an explanation on that. I just appreciate Charlie and Steve explaining their approach to all of this and how different standards appear to apply from one situation to another, which is what some were asking about.

 

[human onion]

I disagree with this policy on gaming side, but this isn't my forum so I'll respect the mods' decision.

 

[Intheflorsh]

I'm going to bold and say that banning the discussion about a game where it looks like you sexually abuse children for entertainment is not a great loss for this message board.

 

[The Technomancer]

Reading over the thread (and that particular thread was pretty reasonable with some good discussion too, it's not even like there was much posting of pictures from the game or anything) - yeah, how does a thread like that get locked, while threads about games where you murder people, torture people, whatever other sick and disgusting things are done in games these days, doing all sorts of other horrible things to people stay open and have big threads about them?

No, rape isn't acceptable. Of course.
Neither is sexual assult on minors.

But then, neither is murder.
Neither is torture.
Neither is a good portion of other stuff that you see in many games.

I thought most people here were of the mindset of "It's just a video game!" and against restrictions on video games and such.

To be clear, I'm not specifically trying to make a case in favor of games involving rape, sexual assault, etc.
More like I find games which involve murder, torture, etc. to be disgusting as well - and yet there's plenty of discussion about games like that here.

So, why is all that other stuff fine to discuss here?

Broadly speaking its because our culture in general is really good at contextualizing ways to justify violence. Games don't generally have you killing people who aren't also trying to kill you, and even when you can kill innocents in say, GTA, its not like the game provides a visceral, civilian killing experience

Whereas there's really no way to contextualize sexual assault in a way even approaching acceptable. There really just isn't.

 

[Dragonborn]

Which is exactly what I meant about the fact that many here don't really know much or anything about the contents of the game.

I'm not sure which trailer you saw, but there's no labia showing.

As a matter of fact, there's no sexual bits showing at all in any part of the game.

And the locked thread was actually about them adding more censoring to the game, so yea, who knows what he was watching?

 

[Laughing Banana]

As a result of a few different industry trends, we're seeing an increasing number of games being released and localized that focus their appeal around sexualized interaction with young children, or characters who appear to be young children. A few years ago this type of content typically wouldn't be allowed by Western platform-holders at all; today it's getting published with light censorship.

Threads about these games get creepy very, very quickly. They tend to bring out discussion which is, in and of itself, bannable due to inappropriate or offensive sexual content. They frequently involve content that cannot actually be discussed or posted without breaking our NSFW rules. And even if neither of these happens, they often degenerate into angry discussions about censorship, pedophilia, or child pornography. Frankly, we don't like moderating these threads, and we don't think they reflect well on the community.

We're not trying for philosophical rigor here. Maybe lots of people enjoy GTA in ways that can defensibly be understood as being just as creepy as something like Criminal Girls. But that doesn't dominate threads about GTA, those threads don't turn into arguments about murder-philia, and they don't trigger the same kind of fundamental revulsion. So we're not saying these games can't exist or even that people can't enjoy them. We just don't want them /here/.

We're not going to draw an absolute sharp boundary on this. We just want to make it clear going forward that games which focus on the sexualization of children are not appropriate for our community. Criminal Girls is out. Games that include creepy elements as one small part are okay -- Fire Emblem isn't inappropriate to discuss even though we don't want long thread derails about its more unpleasant fanservice elements.

Let me start by stating that everyone has their own individual set of values, and we do understand that. Our goal with the policy going forward is not necessarily to single out any group of fans as outright reprehensible people for liking video games, particularly not games that are released legally and rated by the ESRB. Further, there are valid arguments to consider in terms of why other morally dubious content seemingly gets a pass.

Having said that, though, I want to also state that the consensus on the moderation team here is that -- fair or not -- we really have next to no desire to have games that feature sexual content starring characters that either are or appear to be underrage given a platform here. We have even less desire (i.e. none) to actually have to read and moderate these threads. As such, these threads will often go unmoderated.

This is a problem. It's a problem for everyone. It's a problem for fans of the game that actually want to talk about the game and aren't necessarily there just to oogle questionable artwork. It's a problem when imagery gets posted that goes beyond what we consider in good taste and we aren't there to react. It's a problem for us in that we get complaints from people on either side of the issue and feel a sense of responsibility to react, but don't really know what to do. Do we go in to promote civility in the conversation, or do we go in to crack down on what we deem to be inappropriate sexual content that features characters that appear to be minors? I think by and large, several (perhaps most) just opt out of doing anything because we simply want no part of the conversation. Frankly, the less I personally know about Monster Monpiece or Criminal Girls, the better.

But that's not appropriate as an official policy. It's confusing for you, and it's even confusing for us. So the consensus we've reached in regards to these games that prominently feature underage girl fan-service is to simply not give them a platform here. That's not to say that we all out and out condemn the very existence of these products and the fans that would play and want to talk about them. But we just honestly feel that there is no place for it here.

As always, if you have questions about a particular game, or a facet of the conversation that you are unclear of, you are more than welcome to PM moderation with your comments and concerns.

Good answers.

I dont think being opinionated is a problem with a mod, thinking anyone who disagree's with that mod, to be viable to be moderated is when it becomes a problem problem. You having strong opinions, imo, does not a bad mod make, it only becomes a problem when you start modding people based on a personal viewpoint, not backed up by the rules of the forum, created by the admin.

For crying out loud, this is not a thread to discuss Amirox's misadventures or his daily life as a mod. You and everyone in here talking about this are basically filling this informative thread with discussions that had nothing to do with the topic in hand a.k.a. wasting everybody's time. Just PM him or something if you want to discuss things further.

 

[Vire]

Why not?

We should have a set of guidelines as to what kinds of games are not okay to discuss on NeoGAF. Clearly not Criminal Girl or anything like it. But topics like these wondering "why?" wouldn't creep up if we stated "if it's got x, y, or z, it's no good here."

And by stated I mean put in the TOS.

Use common fucking sense. It shouldn't have to be explicitly outlined in the terms of service that underage child sexual abuse simulators shouldn't be discussed.

Good lord, some people in here...

 

[DOWN]

This game seems dramatically unappealing and in obvious poor taste. Can't take people arguing in favor of it seriously.

 

[cosmicblizzard]

We're not going to draw an absolute sharp boundary on this. We just want to make it clear going forward that games which focus on the sexualization of children are not appropriate for our community. Criminal Girls is out. Games that include creepy elements as one small part are okay -- Fire Emblem isn't inappropriate to discuss even though we don't want long thread derails about its more unpleasant fanservice elements.

Is how explicit something is also a factor even if it represents a tiny portion of the game? From my understanding, it seems the punishment stuff in Criminal Girls is pretty minor and it's mostly just a mediocre turn-based-ish RPG. I can't confirm that though.

 

[aspiegamer]

All the mod responses are appreciated. The whole "trends in the industry" thing is kinda sad to think about. So long as these sorts of cases are treated the same way as any theoretical other that was terrifyingly controversial for whatever reason, of course, the concern is understandable. Consider this a "save you from yourselves" modding policy? That would match the general philosophy here of making it Not-Just-Another-Forum.

An alternate way of looking at this would be the Wikipedia philosophy of removing content/blocking users/etc. It's not punitive; It's about preventing future damage?

Use common fucking sense. It shouldn't have to be explicitly outlined in the terms of service that underage child sexual abuse simulators shouldn't be discussed.

Good lord, some people in here...

As much a "censorship = evil!" person I can be I can entirely get behind the "use common fucking sense" philosophy and hope basically everyone could.

 

[Lambda Pie]

i remember this, the "game" where you punish 12 years old virtual kids by rubbing their crotch. i'm not concerned, the feds probably already have a list of everyone buying it.

 

[unbias]

For crying out loud, this is not a thread to discuss Amirox's misadventures or his daily dairy as a mod.

Huh? I was defending him. He seemed to think he was a bad mod because he was opinionated. I'm saying I dont think that is a problem, and if he says he controlled his moderating like he did, why wouldnt I believe him? Quite honestly, he paid the price for his edit, but I think he still would be a good choice for a mod.

 

[Ryuukan]

Amazing to see the discussion spawned from this game. If only it was worth playing and not some low budget cash-in from a dying developer

 

[katkombat]

What the heck are the Vita owners supposed to talk about any more then?

Literally the most unfunny post I have ever read



Edit: I am by no means defending the game and its content. I have no idea what the game is about besides "underage sexualization". The game sounds completely disgusting (maybe I should look into it more before I voice my opinion and piss people off?) and I understand the controversy behind it, but to ban all discussion on a game sounds a little extreme. Once again, just voicing my opinion.

 

[Settin]

Good answers.



For crying out loud, this is not a thread to discuss Amirox's misadventures or his daily life as a mod. You and everyone in here talking about this are basically filling this informative thread with discussions that had nothing to do with the topic in hand a.k.a. wasting everybody's time. Just PM him or something if you want to discuss things further.

Sorry for derailing into that, let's all move on.

 

[HamPster PamPster]

Don't worry everyone. Shidoshi will resurrect WAHP for criminal girls and all will be as it should be

 

[Abriael]

Trailer from 7 months ago on ign, not the recent one.

Link, also has some candle play among other such things There are literally close ups where that is all you can see. So what exactly is the game?

Yeah. There's no labia showing in that trailer, or anywhere in the game. Unless by "showing" you mean the faintest outline of anatomy through the clothes, in which case you're not using the verb "showing" correctly.

 

[Griss]

For crying out loud, this is not a thread to discuss Amirox's misadventures or his daily life as a mod.

I'd subscribe to that thread.

 

[Yuuichi]

Let me start by stating that everyone has their own individual set of values, and we do understand that. Our goal with the policy going forward is not necessarily to single out any group of fans as outright reprehensible people for liking video games, particularly not games that are released legally and rated by the ESRB. Further, there are valid arguments to consider in terms of why other morally dubious content seemingly gets a pass.

Having said that, though, I want to also state that the consensus on the moderation team here is that -- fair or not -- we really have next to no desire to have games that feature sexual content starring characters that either are or appear to be underrage given a platform here. We have even less desire (i.e. none) to actually have to read and moderate these threads. As such, these threads will often go unmoderated.

This is a problem. It's a problem for everyone. It's a problem for fans of the game that actually want to talk about the game and aren't necessarily there just to oogle questionable artwork. It's a problem when imagery gets posted that goes beyond what we consider in good taste and we aren't there to react. It's a problem for us in that we get complaints from people on either side of the issue and feel a sense of responsibility to react, but don't really know what to do. Do we go in to promote civility in the conversation, or do we go in to crack down on what we deem to be inappropriate sexual content that features characters that appear to be minors? I think by and large, several (perhaps most) just opt out of doing anything because we simply want no part of the conversation. Frankly, the less I personally know about Monster Monpiece or Criminal Girls, the better.

But that's not appropriate as an official policy. It's confusing for you, and it's even confusing for us. So the consensus we've reached in regards to these games that prominently feature underage girl fan-service is to simply not give them a platform here. That's not to say that we all out and out condemn the very existence of these products and the fans that would play and want to talk about them. But we just honestly feel that there is no place for it here.

As always, if you have questions about a particular game, or a facet of the conversation that you are unclear of, you are more than welcome to PM moderation with your comments and concerns.

As a result of a few different industry trends, we're seeing an increasing number of games being released and localized that focus their appeal around sexualized interaction with young children, or characters who appear to be young children. A few years ago this type of content typically wouldn't be allowed by Western platform-holders at all; today it's getting published with light censorship.

Threads about these games get creepy very, very quickly. They tend to bring out discussion which is, in and of itself, bannable due to inappropriate or offensive sexual content. They frequently involve content that cannot actually be discussed or posted without breaking our NSFW rules. And even if neither of these happens, they often degenerate into angry discussions about censorship, pedophilia, or child pornography. Frankly, we don't like moderating these threads, and we don't think they reflect well on the community.

We're not trying for philosophical rigor here. Maybe lots of people enjoy GTA in ways that can defensibly be understood as being just as creepy as something like Criminal Girls. But that doesn't dominate threads about GTA, those threads don't turn into arguments about murder-philia, and they don't trigger the same kind of fundamental revulsion. So we're not saying these games can't exist or even that people can't enjoy them. We just don't want them /here/.

We're not going to draw an absolute sharp boundary on this. We just want to make it clear going forward that games which focus on the sexualization of children are not appropriate for our community. Criminal Girls is out. Games that include creepy elements as one small part are okay -- Fire Emblem isn't inappropriate to discuss even though we don't want long thread derails about its more unpleasant fanservice elements.

I can't help but agree with these two posts out of everything I've read here. I felt when reading the threads that they often devolve in to circular arguments regarding what is or is not "right" to some asinine standard. Unfortunately often any fan service heavy games seem to elicit this response, not to fault either side, but the threads were often painful to read, and contained little to no discussion on the merits of the game (if any) that exist. I feel that people seemed to be almost using some of the more questionable titles to provoke far more argumentative conversation than normal, as well. I wholly agree with the moderator decision here, and I think the community will realistically be better off for it.

And let me just put it out there that even though I play games with 18+ material (visual novels), games like monster monopiece and criminal girls are still rather creepy to me, and I won't go near them.

 

[Laughing Banana]

Huh? I was defending him. He seemed to think he was a bad mod because he was opinionated. I'm saying I dont think that is a problem, and if he says he controlled his moderating like he did, why wouldnt I believe him? Quite honestly, he paid the price for his edit, but I think he still would be a good choice for a mod.

You defending him or not has nothing to do with the *actual* topic at talk here since this is not a thread about the daily life of Amirox's Mod Misadventures.

 

[jay]

i remember this, the "game" where you punish 12 years old virtual kids by rubbing their crotch. i'm not concerned, the feds probably already have a list of everyone buying it.

So by not allowing people to make threads on the game, we are actually undermining the government's ability to locate and track people of concern.

Yeah. There's no labia showing in that trailer, or anywhere in the game. Unless by "showing" you mean the faintest outline of anatomy through the clothes, in which case you're not using the verb "showing" correctly.

Not even visible labia? I didn't realize this game was made by Puritans.

 

[hardcastlemccormick]

Reading over the thread (and that particular thread was pretty reasonable with some good discussion too, it's not even like there was much posting of pictures from the game or anything) - yeah, how does a thread like that get locked, while threads about games where you murder people, torture people, whatever other sick and disgusting things are done in games these days, doing all sorts of other horrible things to people stay open and have big threads about them?

No, rape isn't acceptable. Of course.
Neither is sexual assult on minors.

But then, neither is murder.
Neither is torture.
Neither is a good portion of other stuff that you see in many games.

I thought most people here were of the mindset of "It's just a video game!" and against restrictions on video games and such.

To be clear, I'm not specifically trying to make a case in favor of games involving rape, sexual assault, etc.
More like I find games which involve murder, torture, etc. to be disgusting as well - and yet there's plenty of discussion about games like that here.

So, why is all that other stuff fine to discuss here?

This whole philosophical discussion really only leads to accusations of hypocrisy.

I've always found hypocrisy to be fairly close to ad hominem in terms of side-stepping the debate. It's not really addressing the argument.

 

[unbias]

You defending him or not has nothing to do with the *actual* topic at talk here since this is not a thread about the daily life of Amirox's Mod Misadventures.

But what I said didnt just apply to him, that is what you got out of it, but I was speaking generally. What I was talking about actually does have to do with the "actual" topic, since the topic itself is about policy of moderation's. I'd say what you did was more of a derail, then the interpretations of what you could say I did.

 

[Chance Hale]

Yeah. There's no labia showing in that trailer, or anywhere in the game. Unless by "showing" you mean the faintest outline of anatomy through the clothes, in which case you're not using the verb "showing" correctly.

Lol at "faintest" I'd love to see what you think they're showing with those incredibly tight outlines. Still, I'm still waiting for your explanation of what the game actually is.

 

[Ennoia]

I really don't want to GIS this, but I'm pretty sure the official Facebook for that game bragged about how you could rape the girls.

I don't think such a shy Japanese company could even have an official Facebook page, if you mean "IllsuionGamesJapan", it's run by a Hungarian player, and that page is used to post his adf.ly download advertisement to gain revenue.

 

[Laughing Banana]

But what I said didnt just apply to him, that is what you got out of it, but I was speaking generally. What I was talking about actually does have to do with the "actual" topic, since the topic itself is about policy of moderation's. I'd say what you did was more of a derail, then the interpretations of what you could say I did.

Let's just move on, eh?

 

[Neiteio]

On a side note, I know this thread is fascinating because we're already on pg. 4 in 100-post mode and I didn't even realize we were off pg. 2

 

[hongcha]

If only it was worth playing

It is. It's an awesome JRPG. It has one of my all-time favourite turn-based JRPG battle systems. Many people here seem to think that because they find some content offensive the game must also be poorly made. Sorry to tell you all, this is not the case. It is a finely crafted game with a fun story and characters.

and not some low budget cash-in from a dying developer

lol. OK.

 

[fedexpeon]

Does a pedophile have to have acted on his feelings? If so, it's unfair to call people pedophiles and more appropriate to accuse them of being aroused by children.

Also, are you suggesting that it should be ok to call someone a racial slur? If not, I don't see the value in your comparison.

You are telling me it is okay to generalize a whole studio from Japan as bunch of pedophiles?
Why slander and defame people like that because they create a game that he doesn't like.

'm calling the Japanese dudes who make this game about having sex with underage girls pedophiles. And even if they're not pedophiles themselves, they're making money off purposefully appealing to that demographic which is just as bad.

So, tell me why this isn't wrong by slandering a whole group of people. He purposely wrote Japanese while there might be others working on the project ie: localization team that aren't from Japan.
And then even later admitting he would rather call them pedophiles and defame their studio even if they aren't one because the studio is making money.

Might as well /spit on the devs if you ever meet them at a video game convention.

If you're getting off on the fetishization of young children experiencing corporal punishment in a sexual manner? If the shoe fits.

So bish, are you going to NIS table and tell them that they are a bunch of pedophile as well?

 

[ReBurn]

Are people really upset that threads about a softcore kiddie porn game aren't allowed?

 

[Abriael]

Lol at "faintest" I'd love to see what you think they're showing with those incredibly tight outlines. Still, I'm still waiting for your explanation of what the game actually is.

It's a JRPG with a degree of fanservice based on pretty strong BDSM undertones.