MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Man I wish I could nitpick over a game's lighting effects. I think the game looks great and will probably be a blast to play and that is really all I care about.
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Xenoblade Chronicles X - Nintendo Direct Footage 11.5.2014
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The use of sprite-based grass is genius imo.
Not only it looks great, but it also saves valuable resources that can be used on other, more important, areas.
There are many JRPGs with great character design.
I respect Takahashi's artistic vision but the characters in XBX look atrocious.
Yo, what little we've seen so far of Zelda U looks great.
blue_phazon
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I wish they bring the old jumping animation back. That was the best part of xenoblade
ninjablade
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I watched all the trailers the game is diffidently is not using dynamic lighting, the player shadows almost never change in shape and size.
Other than some character designs, i would like them to sort out their physics though. The guy from the last trailer, can jump over hedges like he's jumping on the moon. Ok, maybe there is less gravity on the planet, no problem... but looking at the animation of the herd of catlike tankbeasts, it just doesn't make sense. They have way to little "airtime" or "hangtime", however you want to call it.
KoopaTheCasual
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Why are people arguing about lighting in a game like this? Is the main strength of this game not it's crazy vertical scale? Who cares about shadows?
Some of the faces are super weird, i admit, but some like Elma's bother me less, because her overall design is pretty cool.
Some of the faces are super weird, i admit, but some like Elma's bother me less, because her overall design is pretty cool.
Locamotable
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Was going to reply to that ninjablade gif post, but then i realized something gaf...
hes a troll *GASP*.
hes a troll *GASP*.
The most time of the Game i will look at the back of the character, so the design is fine for me (but not may favorit design for an rpg), alternative is you can use a huge Doll to hide it.
Monolith is realy awesome in using the limited WiiU Hardware.
Locamotable
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Exactly!! Why worry about the faces when your going to be FIGHTING DINOSAURS IN A MECH
If you only realized that now mean you didn't check bayonetta 2 threads.
It's a JRPG, dude. A Tetsuya Takahashi JRPG nonetheless.
How the characters look in a serious cutscene is extremely important in story-driven games.
Projectjustice
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I watched all the trailers the game is diffidently is not using dynamic lighting, the player shadows almost never change in shape and size.
You are still wrong.
if the Story is Awesome they can look like shit. If the Story will suck then.....
Locamotable
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I think they're fine
ninjablade
Banned
I hate to give the bad news, but i'm right.
Sun height doesnt affect shadows at all. Here sun is about in 30 degree, but shadow is cast from 80 degree. So lighting is static, mostly prebaked. Shadow resolution looks like 1024k, original post by KKRT00
it's clearly static lighting, this is a fact.
The two are interconnected.
This isn't a book.
Clearly, but not everyone else does.
I hate to give the bad news, but i'm right.
Sun height doesnt affect shadows at all. Here sun is about in 30 degree, but shadow is cast from 80 degree. So lighting is static, mostly prebaked. Shadow resolution looks like 1024k, original post by KKRT00
why are you showing us alpha pics from the announcement video in Jan. 2013? and the Planet could have more than one Sun
This is something that everyone has to decide by himself
But i understand if someone has problem with itninjablade
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because games don't change from static lighting to dynamic lighting, and the gif i posted clearly shows the same thing happening.
because games don't change from static lighting to dynamic lighting, and the gif i posted clearly shows the same thing happening.
so every Game has the same lightning from alpha to Beta to Gold status?
that was the magic of FFVII
I dunno what you're saying, but FFVII involved reading to understand the story.
ShockingAlberto
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Does GAF allow signatures now or are you just appending the same gif to every post
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Sammy Samusu
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It's terrible when gamers try to act like developers.
ninjablade
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it could have more refined lighting system, but static or dynamic lighting is probably a choice made right in the beginning.
SuperCambot
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The Wii U will be Console of the Year in 2015.
The lighting is dynamic, but the character model's shadows aren't cast by the sun. As you noticed yourself, the shadows do move and change shape and size based on the time of day, but not to the extent they should. They are cast by an invisible light source that moves with the sun but always stays close to the zenith. I assume they either did this for performance reasons (might be related to the large number of billboards, actually), to help with platforming (using the shadow to aim is an old and common trick), or both.I hate to give the bad news, but i'm right.
Sun height doesnt affect shadows at all. Here sun is about in 30 degree, but shadow is cast from 80 degree. So lighting is static, mostly prebaked. Shadow resolution looks like 1024k, original post by KKRT00
it's clearly static lighting, this is a fact.
Dynamic shadows were patched into HL2. It's not something that has to be in the game from the outset.
Does GAF allow signatures now or are you just appending the same gif to every post
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Gaf gold lets you have signatures.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
It's a Takahashi game. The story sucking is like an impossible feat.
Especially when on the development side I imagine it's a LOT of work. Even for the little things.
you could pretty much imagine close to anything you wanted with the details of those models.
Man-is-Obsolete
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Oh boy lighting talk in a JRPG thread, yay! What is more important to me is actually having HD towns! I have been a proponent of going back to Suikoden 1 & 2 and pre Final Fantasy 7 RPGs if it meant having more places to go and more NPCs to interact with in those places. So here we have a huge HD and 3D JRPG with cities and all, and we have folks complaining about lighting and such.
Everyone has a right to be critical and have an opinion. Just be careful what you wish for, or else you may end up with just some beautiful hallways instead. FFXV may be the closest we will get to having our JRPG graphics and exploration cake and eating it too, but that game has been in development for ages, and we really don't know much about how towns and NPCs will be in that game.
Everyone has a right to be critical and have an opinion. Just be careful what you wish for, or else you may end up with just some beautiful hallways instead. FFXV may be the closest we will get to having our JRPG graphics and exploration cake and eating it too, but that game has been in development for ages, and we really don't know much about how towns and NPCs will be in that game.
you could pretty much imagine close to anything you wanted with the details of those models.
The lack of detail allowed players to form their story in their head. More like a book than film.
As games have progressed and have reached a higher level of fidelity, games are approaching cinema-level storytelling.
The reason why The Last of Us did as well as it did is because of the incredibly convincing characters. The story was told through its characters like film, and that part was state of the art for video games.
It's not about filling in the details anymore. Xenoblade X employs filmic camera angles in cutscenes, full voice acting, realistically proportioned character models, etc., but it's not very convincing to a lot of people. For character driven story games, that's a big deal.
KoopaTheCasual
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All dis.
Nah, gotta fight and argue about lighting and polygons. Gotta love modern gaming.
Projectjustice
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Nice break down on what they might be doing.
Ninjablade is just trolling at this point.
Ceadeus
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U_U Nothing less
ninjablade
Banned
a mixture of static and prebaked lighting can do those tricks, here a video that shows dynamic lighting properly, you don't see nothing like this in X, its like a night and day difference. you're explanation basically defeats the whole point of having dynamic lighting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pROWml_4sYQ
Colonel Mustard
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After Ninjablade's comments in the Bayonetta thread, why are you guys still entertaining his bullshit?
my point exactly.
What? The problem with Xenoblade X isn't the lack of detail but how poor the character models look. The detail is there, but it just looks bad.
By what basis are you comparing this
to this?
They're fundamentally different.
to see how deep the rabbit hole goes
foxuzamaki
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I actually think elma looks awesome
so you mean we can not enjoy the Story and have a blast with the plot because it didn´t look like TLoU?
i think i missed the part where Nintendo and Monolith promised a Cinematic Experience or that every Game needs to be cinematic. 80% of the New Games Fail in this Field and Yes i´m speaking about PS4one Games.
FlashbladeGAF
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But you still haven't told me what you think of X (a ps2 game in your mind) when compared to FF13... a PS3 game.
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