Rocket Punch
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sykoex said:
As well they should if they're deserving of it. I don't see what that has to do with this discussion.
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GT.com Editor in Chief after private Milo demo: "Not legit" "Smoke and mirrors"
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As well they should if they're deserving of it. I don't see what that has to do with this discussion.
I actually think most regular Joes have the good sense to know that we are not at the point of building human AIs, least of all on a $199 game console. The point of the demo was to show the interactivity features of the Natal technology. I'm pretty sure that most people watching it understood that (though no doubt it could have been explained better than it was).Rocket Punch said:
so the article/original post is completely wrong ...
yet fanboy's are too eager and don't actually read the interviews in subsequent posts so they end up just high fiving eachother, spouting off complete BS, while the people who try to point this out to them are called out? you have to be shitting me, the hive mind is unbelievable.
The best part is that people will be quoting this article as truth for the next five years, completely ignoring what's actually going on.
waits for ad hominem attacks...
yet fanboy's are too eager and don't actually read the interviews in subsequent posts so they end up just high fiving eachother, spouting off complete BS, while the people who try to point this out to them are called out? you have to be shitting me, the hive mind is unbelievable.
The best part is that people will be quoting this article as truth for the next five years, completely ignoring what's actually going on.
waits for ad hominem attacks...
Cirekiller
Member
Vast Inspiration said:
I don't really want to get into an arguement with you on this, but I'll say one more thing. The reason you came into this thread was to call out all the "bitter trolls" who can't wait to shit in MS and Peter M., and you're calling people dicks and transparent for coming into this thread to add their opinions into the matter and really add nothing to the thread itself other than act like everyones out to get Microsoft if they have a negative thing to say. Yet in every thread I see you post in thats related to Sony, you talk shit about them them, one look at your post history would make that clear. And if Sony ever messes anything up you'll probably be there laughing at them. So you say people act with a "holier than thou" attitude, yet you are coming here calling everyone idiots for stating their opinions. IMHO you are making a fool of yourself, not because you are defending your company of choice, but because you are calling others dicks when you're probably the biggest one in this thread.
Cirekiller
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:lol :lol :lolTruespeed said:
B-Rad Lascelle
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You must be new here. Welcome to NeoGAF! :lolGashPrex said:
In other news, console-exclusive gamers are extremely insecure.
Cirekiller
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Cirekiller
Member
you must be Vast Inspirations internet soul mate.GashPrex said:
Listen Molyneux defense corps,
haters aren't hating because we somehow believe Molyneux whipped up a Turing-proof AI tech demo in time to show off MS' waggle wannabe (please, he can't even get "best RPG evar" right)
haters hate because he spouts so much godamned bullshit out of his mouth he might as well be the bellagio fountains hooked up to a sewer mainline
"sci-fi got nothing on dis"
shut the fuck up
haters aren't hating because we somehow believe Molyneux whipped up a Turing-proof AI tech demo in time to show off MS' waggle wannabe (please, he can't even get "best RPG evar" right)
haters hate because he spouts so much godamned bullshit out of his mouth he might as well be the bellagio fountains hooked up to a sewer mainline
"sci-fi got nothing on dis"
shut the fuck up
Vast Inspiration
Banned
Cirekiller said:
I don't go around blatantly lying about Sony or going out of my way to shit on Sony. I don't pretend to talk about things I do not know anything about in Sony's offerings.
So you can say that there is some correlation between me hating Sony's Motion Controller segment and me defending Microsoft here. It makes you sound dumb and ignorant of why I'm actually annoyed, but you can go right ahead and do that.
The TOPIC is about Molyneux and his demo, and my rant focuses almost completely on how people are jumping up to hate on it and call Molyneux out when he didnt do anything disingenuous (relative to any other major corporation mouthpiece). There wasn't some conspiracy to fake the Milo demo. And Peter has been the first one to go right ahead and say that its all trickery.
You can talk about my post history yet you leave the parts out where I say that Sony did a fantastic job showing off their games. You can say that I'm some "bitter troll" for hating on the one thing I was extreme about, but pretty much everyone in their right mind could see how awful the presentation was when those 2 awkward guys came on stage with the motion controller. I was watching it live and reading gaf, and you could see a 100 posts echoing the same sentiments.
You tried to boil this down on fanboyism when its not. Yes I also call other people fanboys, but they're the ones making wild accusations and spewing ignorant shit around.
Cirekiller said:
And you call me the biggest dick? Just keep your mouth shut, because its obvious you're butt hurt about being called out for your BS.
Nose Master
Member
What a fucking surprise. Next you'll be telling me the motion capture camera for 360 won't be seeing the light of day!
PistolGrip
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yeah what were people expecting exactly? I mean even Peter would admit some of the stuff is sci-fi only. Anyone that thinks we can make a game like Milo obviously knows nothing about how computers work... this milo spot was for the lay mainstream media journalist
last couple of pages are hilarious though.. these Peter M. apologist should have a reality tv show...
too bad this name's already taken
last couple of pages are hilarious though.. these Peter M. apologist should have a reality tv show...
too bad this name's already taken
ForbidenMaster
Member
This has probably already been posted a bunch of times earlier in the thread, but I am too lazy to make sure:
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/e3-project-natals-molyneux-and-milo-interview
PistolGrip said:yeah what were people expecting exactly? I mean even Peter would admit some of the stuff is sci-fi only. Anyone that thinks we can make a game like Milo obviously knows nothing about how computers work... this milo spot was for the lay mainstream media journalist
last couple of pages are hilarious though.. these Peter M. apologist should have a reality tv show...
too bad this name's already taken
i thought you might edit it. you still score one for the sony team though man, good job!
sykoex said:
i can't say if their stuff works or not, but the technology to do this has been around for a few years. i saw a tv show about it a year or two ago. there's even phone monitoring systems that monitor call centers and detect people's anger and will automatically transfer the customer to a supervisor.
You've got some detractors riled up, Vast Inspiration. I fear for you.
To everyone arguing; If someone writes out a pointed argument, even if it is angsty, and you respond with "Geez, get a life, internet argument lol", you're just being a douche. Making fun of someone for arguing about videogames on a videogame board is fucking retarded.
To everyone arguing; If someone writes out a pointed argument, even if it is angsty, and you respond with "Geez, get a life, internet argument lol", you're just being a douche. Making fun of someone for arguing about videogames on a videogame board is fucking retarded.
ForbidenMaster
Member
Well here is the next part of the interview:sykoex said:
So you could say, "Apple banana plastic. Batman robin cubes, 'skyscraper.'" and Milo would giggle. Its clearly smoke and mirrors, but its not like they arent being up front about it.
I was a bit confused by Milo.
What we do know is that Molypoo has been working on some fancy AI trickery and Dimitri for fucking years. As in, since 2001.
We know that as of two years ago they made some massive breakthroughs with it. The problem is, it's clear that the demo we got at E3 was used to show off Natal, and not the AI.
In fact, we still don't know what is so special about the AI, and no bloody journalist seriously asked him about it either.
It's a shame, because behind the smoke, mirrors and hype of Natal, there is probably some impressive AI there that wasn't demonstrated.
What we do know is that Molypoo has been working on some fancy AI trickery and Dimitri for fucking years. As in, since 2001.
We know that as of two years ago they made some massive breakthroughs with it. The problem is, it's clear that the demo we got at E3 was used to show off Natal, and not the AI.
In fact, we still don't know what is so special about the AI, and no bloody journalist seriously asked him about it either.
It's a shame, because behind the smoke, mirrors and hype of Natal, there is probably some impressive AI there that wasn't demonstrated.
Umm yeh, except the Burnout footage is identical to the footage shown in this Xbox Project Natal : Zachary Levi and Josh Gomez clip too (54 secs in)Dabanton said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELcJHTRlRSc
Why would they use the same clip in both videos if both times it worked fine?
BenjaminBirdie
Banned
ForbidenMaster said:
Yeah, he's been honest about it the whole time. It's a just a video game, not Haley Joel Osment.
Had he not done it excessively for Fable 2 and to avoid Nintendogs comparisons, I bet he would have used a dog instead of a boy because it had been much more realistic in terms of what it can actually do and what you expect from it. They're supposed to work exactly as Milo not being able to understand you except for a few trained commands and go by the tone of your voice, mood and gestures most of the time.
MightyHedgehog
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Obviously, the onus is on MS to make good on their claims and very public plans for the technology...and I fully believe they will make good on the claims of face recognition, voice & tonal recognition, and the ability to recognize images, colors, and motions. I still cannot believe how many people are just not seeing the forest for the trees here...and even more blown away by the number of people who apparently believe that Milo was supposed to be some dramatic advance in AI...it's about the effect on the user/player, and not exactly about the reality behind the scenes, as it happens in virtually all games, anyway.Burger said:
Dabanton said:
IMO its not savagery when the person presenting the demo stands up in front of hundreds of people and openly states that this is a game changing technology, blah blah blah. First, its Molyneux and he should fucking know better. Second, nothing about that demo required Natal - just a webcam. Thirdly it was little better than seaman with a pretty face.
I'm actually surprised the mainstream gaming media weren't harsher on him than they have been.
jump_button
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Did any one really think your can just say anything to the kid and he know what you talking about they can't do that with super computer never mind a little box in your home lol
so unless you say what it want you to say it pointless
so unless you say what it want you to say it pointless
KilgoreTrout
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Called it, but still bummed out.
Hopefully the camera is awesome still.
Hopefully the camera is awesome still.
My ass.ForbidenMaster said:
Watch this again: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPIbGnBQcJY
Maybe they're clarifying this stuff now, but that video - which was the first we saw of this project, and will be the only thing most people are aware of about the project for some time because most people don't read interviews and shit - is a blatant lie. That video isn't saying that he only understands your intonation and stuff. It's saying that this is some amazing new AI beyond what science fiction has imagined. It's saying that he can understand what you say (specifically note when he says, "You? Nervous?" and, "Thousands of people?").
You're kidding yourself if you think that wasn't the intention of this video.
KevinCow said:
Were you actually expecting that during their E3 Press Event, Microsoft would intentionnaly showcase the limits of their "work in progress" technology a year and a half before its release just for the sake of 100% disclosure? That event was used to build hype, of course they showed Milo in the best possible light.
There was no lying either since Molyneux was upfront about it when interviewed. Until release we will see many hands-on by many different journalists and by the time its released, don't worry, there will have been critical articles on both videogames and mainstream media that will descibe the limits of both Milo and Natal as they will ship.
ForbidenMaster said:
Exactly. Were all somewhat disillusioned with Molyneux and no doubt disappointed that the Milo thing is exactly as it was presented at the conference.
But at least they are being honest about it in subsequent conversations.
Whether or not there was actually a worth while reason in showing the Milo thing in the first place, Im not so sure.
Rocket Punch
Member
Zabka said:
What the hell are you talking about? this is Microsoft, the number 1 software company in the world running approximately 80% of the world's PC applications.
Is there a more suitable company to come up with a working AI prototype?? The lengths that people go to dismiss such charade.