Kurisu_Makise
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its the most OP social link imo, being able to fuse high level personas at any level is a game changer.
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Persona 5 Social-Link/Confidant discussion |OT| Laughing Banana is Makoto's husbando
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its the most OP social link imo, being able to fuse high level personas at any level is a game changer.
ShadowSoldier89
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thanks...now I have the 'beetus
Cannon_Fodder
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Where's Wilford Brimley when you need him? Damn.
GIF is cute, but ruined because they paired up Ann and Ryuji
No no, don't misunderstand my meme posting—I'm all for going past the "too far" point, because it's never too far.
Oh I get it, you're actually a hardcore Ann x Ryuji shipper with incredibly high standards, right? Understood, I'll only post the best of the best.
o7
ShadowSoldier89
Member
but in that gif Ann and Ryuji were just hanging out, not actually together.
But they didn't!
RumbleHumble
Banned
INSULIN! I NEED INSULIN!
BRSxIgnition
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Laughing Banana
Weeping Pickle
*Sneaks in*
*Sneaks out*
*Sneaks out*
I think just over a 100 hours, much less if you don't grind mementos andor is a veteran to the series.
So I went with Chie in P4G, Naoto in P4G NG+ and Makoto in this. Felt like I made all the right choices.
On a side note, after finishing I am disappointed with the lack of non-story events where you just hang out with your friends/girlfriends. Maybe I was spoiled by P4G being my first and only Persona game before P5 though.
On a side note, after finishing I am disappointed with the lack of non-story events where you just hang out with your friends/girlfriends. Maybe I was spoiled by P4G being my first and only Persona game before P5 though.
Double Donut
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The Haru rejection scene...
It's not fair, man. Every other girl's like "nudge nudge we can date if you want, no biggie if you don't want to though" but Haru comes right out with it. Dear god her reaction made me miserable. Felt like I stomped on her heart and spit on it.
If I hadn't already romanced Makoto in this run I would have said yes... but I refuse to be harem. I'm so sorry Haru ;_;
It's not fair, man. Every other girl's like "nudge nudge we can date if you want, no biggie if you don't want to though" but Haru comes right out with it. Dear god her reaction made me miserable. Felt like I stomped on her heart and spit on it.
If I hadn't already romanced Makoto in this run I would have said yes... but I refuse to be harem. I'm so sorry Haru ;_;
BRSxIgnition
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The Haru rejection scene...
It's not fair, man. Every other girl's like "nudge nudge we can date if you want, no biggie if you don't want to though" but Haru comes right out with it. Dear god her reaction made me miserable. Felt like I stomped on her heart and spit on it.
If I hadn't already romanced Makoto in this run I would have said yes... but I refuse to be harem. I'm so sorry Haru ;_;
How could you?
Lunafreya Nox Fleuret
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Haru's a very cute character but she didn't have enough development for me to care for her as much as the others.
Haru seems to be the only girl that explicitly shows affection towards MC. Does that count as "canon"? I felt terrible when I rejected her, but it's still better than P4 where you have to reject everyone.
I think her social link is quite interesting though. She's like the opposite of all the other characters:
I think that's a breath of fresh air and saves the game from overblown edginess.
I think her social link is quite interesting though. She's like the opposite of all the other characters:
Everyone else's link is about shitty people, but hers is a story about "people are not as bad as you think".
BRSxIgnition
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Thing is, Makoto felt like she stole a ton of the limelight after her introduction.
I mean, yeah, let her be cool - because she is - but let the spotlight shine on the cast evenly, like it did in P3P and P4.
Lunafreya Nox Fleuret
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I agree with you there..... Haru really should join earlier if they do decide to go ahead with Persona 5 Golden. I haven't done her social link yet but I do plan to on my 2nd run eventually. She joins way too late and at the arguably dullest point in the game too.
Haru also is dull has a box of nails so that doesn't help
Mr_Antimatter
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Quick question, if you date the doctor and one of the younger girls, do you still get well, bad end? Or is it like p4 where some relationships seemingly don't care if harem?
BRSxIgnition
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Makoto is great, don't get me wrong, but she really did steal time from the rest of the thieves. I've got no doubt that more people would realize how great Haru is if Makoto hadn't been given center stage as much.
MiguelMexMIstery
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Yeah, it really isn't Makoto's fault. Futaba came after Makoto too and they did a great job with her.
Yup, yup
BRSxIgnition
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Agreed - it's not entirely Makoto's fault, the main culprit is probably just the pacing of the latter half/third of the game.
Shadic7700
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Futaba does as well plus she's way cuter when you GF her but then people try to shame you saying she's a little sister and it's weird when it's toataly the best romance in the game!
Little sister shaming is old now. We have other methods.
BRSxIgnition
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Shadic7700
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I'm only 2 years older than her!!!!
in the game...
CielTynave
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Agreed 100% lol. Haru was actually the only girl I felt bad about turning down, not just because of her reaction but because she was the only one of the other romanceable confidants I felt much of a connection to. Admittedly I didn't finish all of them though, particuarly Kawakami's. I never really came around on her like a lot of other people did because I got screwed out of her last few events by not finishing before December, and also because when she told the story about the
dead kid
Shadic7700
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You know I never actually did Haru's S-Link but I hear good things....
KO Traveling Hobo
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Nails are pretty sharp! The soft outer layer is just the floof.
CielTynave
Member
You know I never actually did Haru's S-Link but I hear good things....
Whoops, should have spoilered that lol.
BRSxIgnition
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HaruKawa Defense Force, assemble!
Shadic7700
Member
It's fine was gonna see it on my second play through anyways
Both Haru's and Futaba's links are more explicitly romantic than Ann's and Makoto's.
Makoto and Futaba are both clearly into you in the main game. Ann is played off all of the guys, including Morgana, so she is hard to read. Haru barely shows up in the main game and not in a romantic context.
Makoto and Ann romances both make a lot of sense in context of the main game and the dating content, but the romance in the links is flat-footed.
If you "really get" Makoto or Ann, you will see their angle on you and have it confirmed by the post-link content and main story content. If you don't quite get the character you won't see the romance because the links do a terrible job at pushing it.
I think Makoto wins out against Ann here in the clarity department because her love line is not tangled and it gets very clear service in the main game. I think Makoto is easier to "really get."
That's my take away, at least, from my playing the game and talking to you all.
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As to Makoto sucking the air out of the cast...nah. Futaba comes after her and gets a lot of great service. The problem is that they don't service Haru well, not that Makoto steals from Haru.
Makoto and Futaba are both clearly into you in the main game. Ann is played off all of the guys, including Morgana, so she is hard to read. Haru barely shows up in the main game and not in a romantic context.
Makoto and Ann romances both make a lot of sense in context of the main game and the dating content, but the romance in the links is flat-footed.
If you "really get" Makoto or Ann, you will see their angle on you and have it confirmed by the post-link content and main story content. If you don't quite get the character you won't see the romance because the links do a terrible job at pushing it.
I think Makoto wins out against Ann here in the clarity department because her love line is not tangled and it gets very clear service in the main game. I think Makoto is easier to "really get."
That's my take away, at least, from my playing the game and talking to you all.
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As to Makoto sucking the air out of the cast...nah. Futaba comes after her and gets a lot of great service. The problem is that they don't service Haru well, not that Makoto steals from Haru.
Lunafreya Nox Fleuret
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Futaba brought so much fun atmosphere to the group. I loved her for that. What a great character!
Makoto blending in to become sub "leader" of the phantom thieves was incredible as well. I honestly didn't expect it.
A bit harsh but a reasonable response. If she has more development I think she'd be one of my favourites. Her design is amazing in her persona outfit. Her introduction to the group really did suck though D:
Double Donut
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Futaba is SMOL.
So cute.
So cute.
Continuing my point:
Because they are the ones people find less obvious, perhaps to some dissatisfaction so, more about Ann and Makoto:
A response I got about Ann, which I think showcases how it is supposed to work:
And my own thoughts on Makoto (stiched together from several posts, because none quite fit the bill):
As to her love angle:
As to romancing her:
As to the "Makoto doesn't feel" problem:
And just to round out a wall of text for the fuck of it:
TL;DR Makoto is about a quiet passion burning fiercely within for justice and you
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Because they are the ones people find less obvious, perhaps to some dissatisfaction so, more about Ann and Makoto:
A response I got about Ann, which I think showcases how it is supposed to work:
And my own thoughts on Makoto (stiched together from several posts, because none quite fit the bill):
As to her love angle:
As to romancing her:
One of the things with Makoto is they do the faux dating thing but you can't usually use that to press intimacy like it is traditionally used. She gets annoyed at that mostly.
I remember one time I got music notes from pushing that line when I wanted to try a new dialogue choice on another playthrough, but it was because she misinterpreted what I meant by serious.
You get to Makoto by being interested in what she is talking about mostly.
You don't get to her by flattering her, or teasing her, or flirting, for the most part.
It is a bit unfortunate, because she can be fun to tease imo, and I would tease that girl in real life even as I took her zealous passion seriously. Small thing because you usually don't need too many notes with her, but I'd appreciate a couple of the jokey lines getting some...I actually like a lot of her responses as written, I'd just like a musical cue to show me I'm not just giving her a bad time, which, perhaps I am
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Another thing Makoto likes is you being skilled/worldly and encouraging/indulgent to her curiosity. I do really like her curiosity and it is fun to show her things, especially with how into them she gets.
As to the "Makoto doesn't feel" problem:
And just to round out a wall of text for the fuck of it:
Makoto has a lot of Mitsuru in her.
Makoto is like if they took the insecurities and the doubts of Mitsuru, which you get late game P3 and played them out over the entire game. She's Mitsuru's inner girl, lacking a lot of the steely exterior of Mitsuru. (Tellingly, she's still fairly steely
But both are competent, poised, and more naive than at first blush. Both are ignorant about cuisine, fashion (although Mitsuru has a stylist), and love. Both fall for the main character on a romance path where the main character is helping them find the world and thus themselves. Mitsuru's link does play heavier on an inner romantic though, going with Haru's story. While Mitsuru is secretly into romance novels and movies, Makoto is secretly into the Yakuza series (in film).
Mitsuru is much more the untouchable senpai, whereas the way Makoto approaches you and the way she seeks out your opinions mostly level that senpai relationship. Makoto finds things in you more as an equal, while Mitsuru stoops and finds you tasty and is thrown into turmoil by that fact.
Makoto does have a special justice bent, focusing in on criminal justice and she is much earlier on in conflict with her subservience to the adults and the status quo, whereas that only comes out in the story surrounding that crucifixion night in P3.
I also think they pushed the curiosity angle harder with Makoto and that she is much more about passion and zeal than Mitsuru. Mitsuru is more about competence while they poke holes in Makoto's effectiveness much earlier on, going with above.
Willpower is very central to both.
Both ride motorcycles. Both look up to their dads and seek to follow in their footsteps. Etc.
But yeah as I said before, you can really feel that the creators were mulling Mitsuru over with this one.
TL;DR Makoto is about a quiet passion burning fiercely within for justice and you
.KnightBuster
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I ended up dating Hifumi but daaaaaamn turning Haru down felt horrid. Might go with her now that I'm on my second run. And maybe get Ryuji past rank 3. >>
You'll regret this. ;p
WhateverItTakes
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Ryuji is a good lad, why y'all gotta hate?
Hate to do this to my own walls of text but it'd all been posted before and I'm in the mood to close out my thoughts on some of this so...I'll push the page .
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First, some of my own thoughts about Ann:
From reading comments like AlphaDragoon's, which I posted above, I get the sense that the Ann I wanted to see and thought she was was there, but obfuscated.
By that I mean, an Ann with a more active mental life, brought on by loneliness, depression, and the world-weariness that comes with the terrible experience she was having in the Kamoshida arc.
There is a hard reset going from Kamoshida Ann to social link Ann, which, in part makes sense--she's had a huge weight lifted off her shoulders and suddenly has more friends and a purpose in life. I also think Atlus overdid it and left too much of Ann behind the veil of dating her. While Ann's link was fun with good dialogue options and a goofy, amusing story, it didn't go much of everywhere and pretty much all it gave you was Ann the airhead, and not enough Ann the lonely girl who overthinks and is shy about intimacy. It gave us too much Ann that fits the blonde western girl trope and too little Ann that subverts it.
There could've and should've been more of a point on Ann's link, in much the same way as there should've been with Makoto's, which pushed this other side of her. It is there and confirmed by actually dating her, but they held it back too much.
You do get a more thoughtful Ann in the main story and she is presented as a very nice and thoughtful girl, even as she is presented as a boisterous airhead and "one-of-the-guys."
I think that latter thing is always something to appreciate in the Persona girl who has that attribute and joins your party less as an obvious suitor with designs on you. Ann/Ryuji/Morgana/Yusuke is a fairly cohesive group. I don't think Makoto and Futaba ruin the cohesion of the group but they are much more played opposite the MC.
She is a bit different from Yukari/Chie in that she is also romantically played off Morgana, Ryuji, and Yusuke and so her "being one of the guys" takes on the double role of also confusing her rather opaque loveline with the MC.
You do have her moments of seeming shy curiosity in the MC, like when she "sleeps" while he tells his story about Shido and when she presses the Ryuji and the MC about their taste in girls, but the latter plays to Ryuji as well. You also do have the MC's admiration of her physical form very much established as canon and you have the opportunity to intimate that you like her to Sojiro and Ryuji/Yusuke.
I also think the other male's interest in her is pretty much all you have to go with in shipping a non-MC pairing with her. You have Morgana's "chivalrous" love; Ryuji's violent preoccupation with the juxtaposition of his idea of her and who she is rumored to be in the Kamoshida arc; Yusuke's more-than-artistic interest in her physical form and his being seduced by her strange acting. You don't, however, ever get much from Ann herself towards these lovelines.
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On Futaba:
As I said above, Futaba is obviously interested in the main character. Like Makoto, she comes to the group through stalking you, in particular, and seeing an answer to her issues in you, and she again particularizes this, telling Sojiro you saved her, in particular.
In approaching her, Makoto does a lot of the legwork and talking but it is set up so that she is nominally deferring to you and you get to carry out the phone conversations yourself.
Similarly, in Nanako homework/social-healing-by-way-of-bikini week, Makoto pushes the agenda but hands the task over to you. You are with her everyday and are her primary relationship.
The game also sets up Futaba parity events. You had your firework event with the others, Futaba gets to have her own event with you and Sojiro.
And then of course, Futaba clings to you, hides behind you and such in the body of the game, just as she does in Sojiro's and her own social link. You are her "special item" already in the forced first level social link.
Inside her social link, Futaba shows obvious romantic interest in you, describing physical lust/heightened physical awareness on two occasions and mental obsession as well on the later of these two.
Here's my take on the Futaba romance and its "squickiness":
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As to Haru...I stopped my third playthrough after Hawaii because I didn't want to get over that Ryuji/Morgana hump that plagues her beginning arc and I only saw her link through on my second playthrough as I failed to meet the proficiency gate on the first playthrough.
I don't have a very positive impression of her, which is quite at odds with this forum, where she seems to be one of the favorite girls, at least since I started posting, so I do think I need to take a closer look on my third pass when I do it.
I do think, as to her main story content, that they did handle her very poorly. Whatever charm she may have is locked up in her link and her extra dialogue, so another reason to take that content more seriously on another pass so I can better understand you all.
The general situation of her social link also doesn't help it for me. It is late in the game. She gives out music notes like candy so it is very hard to shake the feeling that she just wants to be pleased by you and that you are not really relating to her so much as playing a part in a preconceived drama that she is putting on. This feeling is further exacerbated by the fact that the story of her social link also makes me feel placed out of my depth and asked to speak to things I have no idea about.
And then there is the Mitsuru comparison...in the main text, I feel they handled the fallout of her dad's death as to Haru quite poorly. I get that he is not Mitsuru's dad. He is not the good guy, rather the grandpa is, in a reversal of the Mitsuru story and they do have that one scene where Haru almost mistrusts you all and the scene on the ship is fairly good, but other than that, it is an incredibly limp story from that angle, even as it pushes the main story forward.
I also think that, while the link is romantic, what you are to Haru is less clear than what you were to Mitsuru. I think the heiress-with-a-fiance-she-wants-to-dump romance is better developed with Mitsuru than Haru.
I generally feel that while Makoto took Mitsuru and did something interesting with her, Haru took her and tried to play with her storyline and just did it worse.
I think the level Haru would have to appeal to me on is as a character, which, again, is what I'll be on the look for when I finish that third playthrough.
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First, some of my own thoughts about Ann:
From reading comments like AlphaDragoon's, which I posted above, I get the sense that the Ann I wanted to see and thought she was was there, but obfuscated.
By that I mean, an Ann with a more active mental life, brought on by loneliness, depression, and the world-weariness that comes with the terrible experience she was having in the Kamoshida arc.
There is a hard reset going from Kamoshida Ann to social link Ann, which, in part makes sense--she's had a huge weight lifted off her shoulders and suddenly has more friends and a purpose in life. I also think Atlus overdid it and left too much of Ann behind the veil of dating her. While Ann's link was fun with good dialogue options and a goofy, amusing story, it didn't go much of everywhere and pretty much all it gave you was Ann the airhead, and not enough Ann the lonely girl who overthinks and is shy about intimacy. It gave us too much Ann that fits the blonde western girl trope and too little Ann that subverts it.
There could've and should've been more of a point on Ann's link, in much the same way as there should've been with Makoto's, which pushed this other side of her. It is there and confirmed by actually dating her, but they held it back too much.
You do get a more thoughtful Ann in the main story and she is presented as a very nice and thoughtful girl, even as she is presented as a boisterous airhead and "one-of-the-guys."
I think that latter thing is always something to appreciate in the Persona girl who has that attribute and joins your party less as an obvious suitor with designs on you. Ann/Ryuji/Morgana/Yusuke is a fairly cohesive group. I don't think Makoto and Futaba ruin the cohesion of the group but they are much more played opposite the MC.
She is a bit different from Yukari/Chie in that she is also romantically played off Morgana, Ryuji, and Yusuke and so her "being one of the guys" takes on the double role of also confusing her rather opaque loveline with the MC.
You do have her moments of seeming shy curiosity in the MC, like when she "sleeps" while he tells his story about Shido and when she presses the Ryuji and the MC about their taste in girls, but the latter plays to Ryuji as well. You also do have the MC's admiration of her physical form very much established as canon and you have the opportunity to intimate that you like her to Sojiro and Ryuji/Yusuke.
I also think the other male's interest in her is pretty much all you have to go with in shipping a non-MC pairing with her. You have Morgana's "chivalrous" love; Ryuji's violent preoccupation with the juxtaposition of his idea of her and who she is rumored to be in the Kamoshida arc; Yusuke's more-than-artistic interest in her physical form and his being seduced by her strange acting. You don't, however, ever get much from Ann herself towards these lovelines.
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On Futaba:
As I said above, Futaba is obviously interested in the main character. Like Makoto, she comes to the group through stalking you, in particular, and seeing an answer to her issues in you, and she again particularizes this, telling Sojiro you saved her, in particular.
In approaching her, Makoto does a lot of the legwork and talking but it is set up so that she is nominally deferring to you and you get to carry out the phone conversations yourself.
Similarly, in Nanako homework/social-healing-by-way-of-bikini week, Makoto pushes the agenda but hands the task over to you. You are with her everyday and are her primary relationship.
The game also sets up Futaba parity events. You had your firework event with the others, Futaba gets to have her own event with you and Sojiro.
And then of course, Futaba clings to you, hides behind you and such in the body of the game, just as she does in Sojiro's and her own social link. You are her "special item" already in the forced first level social link.
Inside her social link, Futaba shows obvious romantic interest in you, describing physical lust/heightened physical awareness on two occasions and mental obsession as well on the later of these two.
Here's my take on the Futaba romance and its "squickiness":
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As to Haru...I stopped my third playthrough after Hawaii because I didn't want to get over that Ryuji/Morgana hump that plagues her beginning arc and I only saw her link through on my second playthrough as I failed to meet the proficiency gate on the first playthrough.
I don't have a very positive impression of her, which is quite at odds with this forum, where she seems to be one of the favorite girls, at least since I started posting, so I do think I need to take a closer look on my third pass when I do it.
I do think, as to her main story content, that they did handle her very poorly. Whatever charm she may have is locked up in her link and her extra dialogue, so another reason to take that content more seriously on another pass so I can better understand you all.
The general situation of her social link also doesn't help it for me. It is late in the game. She gives out music notes like candy so it is very hard to shake the feeling that she just wants to be pleased by you and that you are not really relating to her so much as playing a part in a preconceived drama that she is putting on. This feeling is further exacerbated by the fact that the story of her social link also makes me feel placed out of my depth and asked to speak to things I have no idea about.
And then there is the Mitsuru comparison...in the main text, I feel they handled the fallout of her dad's death as to Haru quite poorly. I get that he is not Mitsuru's dad. He is not the good guy, rather the grandpa is, in a reversal of the Mitsuru story and they do have that one scene where Haru almost mistrusts you all and the scene on the ship is fairly good, but other than that, it is an incredibly limp story from that angle, even as it pushes the main story forward.
I also think that, while the link is romantic, what you are to Haru is less clear than what you were to Mitsuru. I think the heiress-with-a-fiance-she-wants-to-dump romance is better developed with Mitsuru than Haru.
I generally feel that while Makoto took Mitsuru and did something interesting with her, Haru took her and tried to play with her storyline and just did it worse.
I think the level Haru would have to appeal to me on is as a character, which, again, is what I'll be on the look for when I finish that third playthrough.
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