Hierophant
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Massive inequality, a staple of cyberpunk works, is not the fault of an extremely late capitalist system but actually the fault of feminists (?????)
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HP_Wuvcraft
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Their statement actually was really well written, and they didn't tip-toe around naming GG or calling it out.
But yeah. It seems like either this guy is a great liar or Raw Story is in full damage control.
I'd love to hear a neutral stance on the harassment of women, death/rape threats and rampant misogyny.
See here. The apology is not believable:
afternoon delight
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Looks like you just stumbled into a heinous amount of 1970s science fiction... Only we're four decades later and these kids look nothing like the Charleston Heston look-a-likes previously cast.
cartographer
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I guess if you guys aren't down with coordinated online harassment campaigns based on misogyny and bigotry then that's OK I'll just keep it to myself.
Just asking questions though.
Just asking questions though.
Hierophant
Banned
Starship troopers is actual the ideal society (someone probably believes this)
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
This isn't a situation like Mojang, where Notch has not worked there for a long time and it has clearly evolved and thrived past him.
This is a guy that presently has sexist and possible racist views and is injecting those views into his art.
This is a guy that presently has sexist and possible racist views and is injecting those views into his art.
Sorry for the misunderstanding, I meant neutral stance on the subject at hand (the game) not GG. It's getting late here in Paris, but it will not take me a lot of effort to come up with the fact that I'm against harassment, death/rape threats and misogyny. We do have a lot of women at our studio and they bring different views to our game
Here's where I think the creator is going with this: women created a sort of "capitalist" dystopia using their sexuality as the capital, and the "inequality" present in this game is the Red Pill philosophy, which I won't spew here.
afternoon delight
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Do you have five minutes to hear about the benefits of eugenics and avoiding "race mixing"?
No?
i mean how many people miss the point with media like ST, the matrix, fight club, scarface, etc?
this guy is literally just taking the color scheme and cool shades from real cyberpunk fiction and ignoring the substance of it.
To be fair, the Starship Troopers book is unironical in its fascism.
The more famous movie was made as a parody of it.
Relaxed Muscle
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Sorry, if I sounded tense, not my intention at all, I'm quite calm actually.
But you have to think, that there's no a legitimate neutral stance on GG: on one side you have women, whose sin was to work in the industry, on games and under the pretext of ethics in gaming journalism, the other side, started an online harassment campaign under fabricated nonsensical theories with no grounds, with rape/murder threats and made of those people everyday lives a hell.
There's not a reasonable, logical and humanly possible "neutral" stance here. There's no middle ground over all these horrible things. You should look into GG and what they did and why the did it, and if, with the facts laid out to you on a table, you think there's a neutral stance to take part here, you should have another look at your moral compass.
It's especially a bad look when last year's GDC Microsoft accidentally had a stripper party for game developers.
SillyEskimo
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The OT when this game releases is going to be amazing!
arturo2666
Banned
As others have said, there's not much to discuss that hasn't been covered ad nauseam, and asking people to detail it to you is not the same as discussing any way. There are numerous resources, videos, write-ups on the whole ordeal that I would recommend you check out.
Also, props on the Vampyr trailer. It's looking pretty good.
HP_Wuvcraft
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It's because they think their opinion is right, and that "yours" is immorally wrong.
It's hard to fight against an enemy that does not argue in good faith or even respect your opinion.
VibratingDonkey
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unless you actually care about inclusiveness beyond just making yourself look good you will always have fuckups like that, and it's not really possible for corporations to care in that way. looking to capitalist enterprises to advance social causes will never succeed in the long term.
Relaxed Muscle
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Words is not enough, until the game is released and someone looks at it, and confirms me there's no political agenda, I won't believe it.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
"Those tweets were from a long time ago."
"But there are more recent tweets."
"Look, the tweets don't matter."
Holy shit. That was so not the correct response.
it's not possible for the vast majority of games to have no political agenda, and cyberpunk games absolutely should have one. the problem is they appear to have a really bad one.
Hierophant
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Just don't get how you could play something like deus ex or watch something like blade runner and think there wasn't enough rampant corporatism and too much punk
cartographer
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Yeah that just makes them look worse. Dismissive is not the attitude to have right now. Get him some media training.
Spring-Loaded
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More like "Cyberpunkass"
Psychoward
Banned
But...the writer also agrees with Tim and the team is only 6 people. So you've got 6 males working on a game where the creator and lead writer are against "modern feminism" and that's what the game was originally pitched as and we're supposed to believe that isn't at least a major factor in the universe despite the only claims that it isn't about that came after the backlash? Ok
I agree. I will check the whole thing when I'll have the time. And as my first post in the thread suggests it, there's no malice in my endeavour.
Ahah thanks, I hope the 30 min demo stream make up the way to you guys since I worked very hard on it lol
Good night all.
The problem is, this game is now a lost cause on places like this, luckily for most who'll just see the trailer, they can experience the game and most likely never even know about how the creator was a dick online, but here, there's nothing they can do, the game is flawed, damned, thrown to the dogs, which is a shame cause again,. this was one of the most visually impressive games from Microsofts E3, a damn shame.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
Are you the BBC's Sherlock Holmes?
Poor dude probably wont ever come back to GAF.
Don't even mean this thread, i mean GAF as a whole.
Relaxed Muscle
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Psychoward
Banned
Yes pleased to meet you, I'm Barbarian Cunnilinguspot
Yeah, the shame is that the game of the gamergater is hated on gaf, not that the dev is a gamergater or that they participated in a campaign to harass and threaten women.
It's not just that the creator is a dick online.
It's also the fact he injected his dickishness into the game itself.
Even if you were never to learn about the author, you'd still notice all the wacky anti-feminism in the game's story.
Ninja Scooter
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Oh no what a shame.
I've always been a believer that I wouldn't own anything if I boycotted every product because I didn't agree with the beliefs of the people behind them. So I really can't say I care. I just want whatever I get to be what they say it is.
agreed. Just making a point about that this corporation continuously do these (unintentional) fuck ups
:lol
"the game will not have an agenda"
the creators literally were asking around to put the mascot of a right wing misogynist group whom name coined by a right wing celebrity and literally has all the old catchphrases, terms, and ideology of the right wing conservative movement
bruh
also if it feels like a story based product has no politics, that just means it matches your own politics
the creators literally were asking around to put the mascot of a right wing misogynist group whom name coined by a right wing celebrity and literally has all the old catchphrases, terms, and ideology of the right wing conservative movement
bruh
also if it feels like a story based product has no politics, that just means it matches your own politics
ElectronicOldMen
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Fuck man, the idea that a fucking cyberpunk game would explicitly go out of its way to not have an agenda is maybe even more depressing. Cyberpunk is an agenda, it's born from a satire of wealth inequality, social inequality, Reaganist/Thatcherist economic systems.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
That's a cop-out. Not everyone is on the same level of shit they believe in.
There's always been a disturbing amount of people who completely glossed over the societal aspects of cyberpunk and instead concentrated on "cool visuals".
Messofanego
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KimonoNoNo
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Eek and fucking hell I WAS looking forward to this game.
More_Badass
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Whenever I see agenda in this kind of context, I assume it's shorthand for "when those mean SJWs force diversity and social issues and "politics" into games"
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