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GAF Mafia [Mafia] lOTl Should've Gone for Bagels...
- Thread starter LaunchpadMcQ
- Start date
That would be AMAZING.
Wait. Did we just lose the Doctor/Bodyguard on Day one again? Goddammit, GAF.
That's what I'm thinking.
Matt Attack
Member
It's GAFia GAFia. We have to live up to expectations!
Royal_Flush
Member
Gotta keep up the meta in a GAFia game, lol
Terrabyte20xx
Junior Wrestlemania XXX Champion
How to win in GAFia:
Step 1: Lynch doctor
Step 2: roleclaim mafia/serial killer
Step 3: ???
Step 4: Profit!
Step 1: Lynch doctor
Step 2: roleclaim mafia/serial killer
Step 3: ???
Step 4: Profit!
ScraftyDevil
Banned
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Day 1 Ends
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StarSketch
Banned
Except it didn't work because role power.
Huh?
StarSketch
Banned
Wait maybe I misunderstood the post and both Sorian and Scrafty got booted? Not sure.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Both have been removed.
Fixed. Guess they decided to disable hotlinking.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Day 2 Begins
No one was removed from the table.
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Rats Off To Ya
Banned
Are you lying, or just not paying attention?
With the way the events at the end of the day played out, I'm leaning toward the former. Right now you are by far the most suspicious person in the game.
I know you all hated my approach yesterday so very, very much, so I won't waste time fucking around today.
VOTE: Royal_Flush
premade post, yaaay!
So, now that we know Scrafty is scum, I would like everyone to reread this post of her:
Now, I already commented on why I thought scrafty was proposing this in my top scum list here:
And now, look at the power she has:
Nothing here says that she couldn't self target. And what would have happened if she used her power on herself and a cop was to visit her? The cop would most likely get a fake "town" result, and she would be "cleared" as town. The thing I thought scum was trying to accomplish with that cop invite, is probably EXACTLY what they were doing! They only needed Scrafty to survive D1, and then they had a way to make her a fake cleared town and thus a way to prevent her from being the obvious D2 lynch when Rats flipped town. So her scum partner(s) would probably try to convince us to give her at least one night, so that they could execute their plan. With that in mind, I reread some of the posts at the end of D1, and this one caught my eye:
To me, this sounds A LOT like a scum trying to give Scrafty one more night to fake clear her. I am not saying that Royal_flush is for certain the second scum that was trying to help Scrafty, but to me this post doesn't paint him in a good light AT ALL. I defiantly want to focus on him a bit today.
Some other one off thoughts about the end of D1:
- The power that killed Sorian was obviously a scum power, if it was a towny who did it they deserve to be thrown into a dumpster.
- It wasn't scrafty, so someone else present at the end of day 1 has to be the killer, unless someone lied about not being able to be present at the end of day 1.
- Sorians vote no longer counted after the kill, so they may tried to force a tie or even a Rats lynch with it, and used it so close to the end of the day to maximize confusion and their chance to be successful in forcing a tie/Rats lynch. And they got pretty close too, without the Sorian scrafty vote we ALMOST got a tie, which would have given Scum the extra night with Scrafty they wanted.
-Scum would probably not have bussed scrafty too aggressively, there was still a pretty good chance Rats would be lynched instead of Scrafty.
- The second scum was probably there trying to help with a Rats lynch and is the one with the power that killed Sorian. I expect that the third scum would have stayed away from that discussion, putting all your eggs in one basket so early is incredibly dangerous for scum.
- We know A LOT more about scum their PR than normally so early on in the game. We know Scrafty her power, and we know one of the scums has a day time secret kill (which I highly doubt they can use every day, I would guess it is one shot, maaaaaybe two shot at the most). That is one power to confuse PR, and one to straight up kill. I wouldn't be surprised if the final power helps them to find PR.
-Don't forget GreatCharleston his weird behavior with the Ourobolols vote just before Scrafty her role claim took all the attention. I still want an explanation for that!
So, now that we know Scrafty is scum, I would like everyone to reread this post of her:
Now, I already commented on why I thought scrafty was proposing this in my top scum list here:
And now, look at the power she has:
Nothing here says that she couldn't self target. And what would have happened if she used her power on herself and a cop was to visit her? The cop would most likely get a fake "town" result, and she would be "cleared" as town. The thing I thought scum was trying to accomplish with that cop invite, is probably EXACTLY what they were doing! They only needed Scrafty to survive D1, and then they had a way to make her a fake cleared town and thus a way to prevent her from being the obvious D2 lynch when Rats flipped town. So her scum partner(s) would probably try to convince us to give her at least one night, so that they could execute their plan. With that in mind, I reread some of the posts at the end of D1, and this one caught my eye:
To me, this sounds A LOT like a scum trying to give Scrafty one more night to fake clear her. I am not saying that Royal_flush is for certain the second scum that was trying to help Scrafty, but to me this post doesn't paint him in a good light AT ALL. I defiantly want to focus on him a bit today.
Some other one off thoughts about the end of D1:
- The power that killed Sorian was obviously a scum power, if it was a towny who did it they deserve to be thrown into a dumpster.
- It wasn't scrafty, so someone else present at the end of day 1 has to be the killer, unless someone lied about not being able to be present at the end of day 1.
- Sorians vote no longer counted after the kill, so they may tried to force a tie or even a Rats lynch with it, and used it so close to the end of the day to maximize confusion and their chance to be successful in forcing a tie/Rats lynch. And they got pretty close too, without the Sorian scrafty vote we ALMOST got a tie, which would have given Scum the extra night with Scrafty they wanted.
-Scum would probably not have bussed scrafty too aggressively, there was still a pretty good chance Rats would be lynched instead of Scrafty.
- The second scum was probably there trying to help with a Rats lynch and is the one with the power that killed Sorian. I expect that the third scum would have stayed away from that discussion, putting all your eggs in one basket so early is incredibly dangerous for scum.
- We know A LOT more about scum their PR than normally so early on in the game. We know Scrafty her power, and we know one of the scums has a day time secret kill (which I highly doubt they can use every day, I would guess it is one shot, maaaaaybe two shot at the most). That is one power to confuse PR, and one to straight up kill. I wouldn't be surprised if the final power helps them to find PR.
-Don't forget GreatCharleston his weird behavior with the Ourobolols vote just before Scrafty her role claim took all the attention. I still want an explanation for that!
I did, and I think I know what you are trying to tell us. I probably shouldn't say it out loud, right?
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Some things I want to know first:
1. GreatCharleston, why did you vote for me?
2. Coppa, what were you going to post regarding Scrafty?
I think you have given us enough info to understand the intention behind this vote.
Also, I was kind of wary of Coppanuva, but this vote makes me think he is probably town. At the time there was a tie between Scrafty and Rats. Coppanuva broke the tie to vote out scum. At this point, I think scum would have done nothing, trying to ensure a no-lynch.
In regards to this, I was going to explain my logic in voting for Scrafty at the timer (since logic behind votes is always appreciated). It was also like 1 minute until the day's end at the time and I wanted to make sure my vote got in before the timer, and put off the explanation until today. Basically, the votes were tied way too close at the end, and I didn't want to end the day without a lynch (since that's not productive in any way). I believe the tie was between Rats and Scrafty at the time, which ultimately came down to a quick judgement of playstyles. Scrafty's role claim at the end was way too open-ended and she didn't support the "possible mistakes" well. You can PM launchpad to ask about anything you're confused about, why would you leave the potential consequences of your actions open too much?
Ultimately I voted on scrafty since she was behaving more suspiciously at the time and I wanted to ensure a lynch.
Rats Off To Ya
Banned
I am. My behavior yesterday was no accident. I was intentionally painting a target on my back, in hopes of drawing out some scum going for an easy lynch. It was a risky move, I know, but my death wouldn't have been a great loss, so I figured I'd go for a weird play while I still had the chance.
RF's aggression toward me, as well as his attitude toward Scrafty, does not look good for him. There's also Scrafty's reads list:
A very weak comment on Royal Flush. Easily the weakest of the bunch. Sticks out like a sore thumb.
Matt Attack
Member
Scrafty gave a pretty condemning read on Terrabyte on her list, so while that doesn't entirely clear him, I'm pretty hesitant to believe a scum player would throw one of their partners so thoroughly under the bus in her situation.
Anyways, good job everybody who voted for Scrafty. I wasn't able to commit to it in the end but now I'm glad we went this route.
Anyways, good job everybody who voted for Scrafty. I wasn't able to commit to it in the end but now I'm glad we went this route.
Oh, thought you meant yesterday's vote
No, I mean today. But I want to hear from some people first.
Why *Splinter?
TOP TOWN
Rats Off To Ya
Matt Attack
Sawneeks
TOP SCUM
RetroMG**********
Terrabyte20xx
Royal_Flush
Concerned about:
roytheone
GreatCharleston
Royal_Flush
Member
Well, this is embarrassing. Somehow I have no recollection of this post. I even used the search function to find all posts made by you before posting but somehow I must have missed it. I have no clue how this happened. So, to answer your question: Not paying attention, I guess.
So not going for a lynch on a claimed PR is a #scumtell now? You are driving this meta-day-1-PR-lynch-thingy way too far. Of course I was trying to help scrafty, because I didn't get those suspicious vibes some of you apparently got from her, so I wanted her to live tonight so she can use her claimed PR. What I didn't foresee was that she basically wasn't even lying and she indeed had a PR that could cause great confusion. So if you want me to accuse of something than of being shortsighted or not considering every possibility. But not of being scum. (especially because I had another prime lynch target. Well turns out, I did only because I wasn't paying enough attention...)
How exactly is the read on me any different than the read on Coppa for instance? (Tough Coppa probably isn't scum given the last minute scrafty cote)
So, enough defense for now, on to the offense:
I agree that there probably is at least one scum among the people that voted for Rats. Possibly even the third, tough that could be one of yesterdays inactive people. I want to hear something from anyone that voted for Rats yesterday (That includes me; coming up as soon as I typed it for the sake of keeping the length of this one post at bay)
What I also really want to know is what the hell GreatCharlston was up to yesterday.
For the record: I have no clue what Ouro is trying to tell us. If you want me to know you have to try something different.
Do you trust me as being town?
Rats Off To Ya
Banned
You're right, it's not that different. But Coppa is Town, so it would be smart for Scrafty to pair him up him one of her partners.
It's ok, I want to lynch me too
Really? I thought he was as subtle as a brick
So..... splinter.
Misunderstanding a simple question, and then after clarification he never gets back to the point
about me commenting on scrafty's self-read
Won't discuss any of the things he seems to think are worthy of comment, won't say what they are, won't give opinions on them, just wants to berate me for commenting on scrafty.
And then he set up the tie on rats that coppanuva broke with 1 minute left in the day.
Misunderstanding a simple question, and then after clarification he never gets back to the point
about me commenting on scrafty's self-read
Won't discuss any of the things he seems to think are worthy of comment, won't say what they are, won't give opinions on them, just wants to berate me for commenting on scrafty.
And then he set up the tie on rats that coppanuva broke with 1 minute left in the day.
The other points I'll consider, but Splinter's vote was a minute or less after roy's - I just would assume that he voted for Rats without seeing Roy's vote.
Still Rats over Scrafty is a little suspect.
I can, it is a bit of a quick and dirty list though, and this list is based on me assuming that you are indeed implying what I think you are implying. I will provide something more substantial later in the day.
TOP TOWN:
Ourobolols - good posts all around, actively trying to get reactions from people. If what you are implying is true, you are for certain town.
Sawneeks - Stays a bit more in the background, but the posts she does make are all well reasoned and I tend to agree with them.
TOP SCUM:
RetroMG - Purely based on if what I think you are implying is indeed true.
Royal_flush - See my pre made post.
*splinter - Get the feeling he tries to get some towny points with his last minute switch from Rats to Scrafty, even though he created the tie situation by going from Scrafty to Rats to begin with.
I could understand this sentiment right after her initial role claim. But you made that post after she kept making her power more vague, and literally saying: "yo, this power could backfire greatly but I can't say what it does!" Hell, she even said that she herself didn't know exactly what her power did. So yeah, wanting to test such an incredibly vague and risky role claim is a scumtell for me.
The other target I think is Rats.
Now, maybe the way the day kill worked was it didn't activate until the end of the day phase but I feel like we should consider the possibility that it was meant to be immediateish.
If so why didn't mafia use it earlier in the day phase? they could have killed sorian when he was still talking about me but they didn't.
I think that perhaps when rats was getting voted up they tried to push on him instead of scrafty because he had a power he could use during the day making him vanilla, making his death less harmful to mafia. So they tried to get him lynched and he used his power.
Today he comes back with "i was trying to look scum guys" which is something I never like, it's something town can't afford to trust.
Now, maybe the way the day kill worked was it didn't activate until the end of the day phase but I feel like we should consider the possibility that it was meant to be immediateish.
If so why didn't mafia use it earlier in the day phase? they could have killed sorian when he was still talking about me but they didn't.
I think that perhaps when rats was getting voted up they tried to push on him instead of scrafty because he had a power he could use during the day making him vanilla, making his death less harmful to mafia. So they tried to get him lynched and he used his power.
Today he comes back with "i was trying to look scum guys" which is something I never like, it's something town can't afford to trust.
Royal_Flush
Member
To clarify: With something I mean something like ^, but with reason if possible.
I'll comment the changes on my list compared to my last day's list 527.
Town:
-Sawneeks: I still like her last day's posts
-Coppanuva: last minute vote on scrafty while there still was a chance for a tie. I doubt mafia would do this.
-roytheone: reason for being above squidiyj: Today's premade post
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Mafia:
-Matt Attack: He was around during the end of the day (posts in twilight) yet didn't comment or move his vote to the from his perspective more scummy player. Some half-hearted accusation on scrafty after others started going after her 568. Went after Terra early on, so they likely aren't both scum.
-Terrabyte20xx: Hasn't changed much to yesterday. Below Matt Attack because of scrafty's reads, but that doesn't need to mean much. Probably not scum if Matt Attack is and vice versa.
-*Splinter: This one is kind of a stretch, because I don't have a strong third candidate. Plays very aggressive, is mocking people yet doesn't provide a lot of new impulses. Last minute flip-flopping to prevent (or cause, but I don't think so) a tie kind of shufts him a bit more in town direction, tough... Not sure at all about this, but hey, I have to pick someone.