I wish we could see the trainwreck that would have a been a NT only DmC game. No Capcom Japan input to make it passable combat wise.
Would have been glorious!
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DmC Devil May Cry Ships 1 Million Copies; Forecast Lowered To 1.2 Million
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I wish we could see the trainwreck that would have a been a NT only DmC game. No Capcom Japan input to make it passable combat wise.
Would have been glorious!
Awesome article. While I am not enjoying DMC fan's misery, I am glad that with DmC, we not only got a great action game, Capcom got to have a new franchise (Dragon's Dogma) AND Ninja Theory kinda learned how to make good action games on their own as well.
It is purely a win-win-win scenario.
Except for Uncle Dante. Uncle Dante can stay sad for a few more years.
Itchy//Tasty
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Hah! Props. Okay, so I won't mention the hair again, that touched a nerve, but it's still a great game and I'm clearly not the only one who thinks so.
Napalm_Frank
Member
Shame. Possibly my fav DMC game up there with 1. I hope there is a sequel ;_;.
Acquiescence
Member
They sure do need 1.3 million to get their sequel cancelled by Sega though. Nintendo to the rescue, in a desperate bid to try and win over hardcore gamers!
Well, Itsuno isn't a completely safe bet with his record being pretty much up and down with DMC2 being shit, DMC3 being fantastic and then half of DMC4 being great. Dragon's Dogma seems solid but it didn't set the world on fire either.
DecoyOctopus
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Came here to post this!
Glass Rebel
Member
Itsuno was brought in really late for DMC2 and Dragon's Dogma was their first attempt in a new genre.
DMC2 was not bad because of him. If someone creates something as great as DMC3, then yeah, he can pretty much be trusted, imho.
Sega can barely afford to print discs. I think that's a bigger issue than whatever Platinum's are, who seems to be doing perfectly fine with Publishers That Aren't Sega.
I doubt they'll drop the entire franchise, I think they will give DMC5 a shot before calling it quits.
Best thing that could have come out of this mess!
Pai Pai Master
Banned
Haha, elbow blades on everyone!!! But they don't really use them...they just look cool....
Phoenixazure
Member
Damn. Shame they didn't put their marketing behind it. As a dmc fan, I was squarely against it until I actually played it and had more fun than my replay of 4. I want more DmC. Hope the PC version has long legs.
AcceptableGhost
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If Sega didn't go through that huge restructure (and are trying to get away from big retail games in general) no doubt we would have seen Bayonetta 2 from Sega.
Majukun
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i think it's more about capcom being greedy
Not really. A part of the fans didn't buy it because they hated the idea of a reboot, but your average Gamestop customer never heard of that. He just walked into the store, saw that there was a new DMC game out and thought "oh, devil may cry? I remember playing the old ones, been there, done that; I'll get it when it's cheap".
GrandHarrier
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Then they changed the character... why? If they didn't like the old Dante, make a new character. It seemed like that is what they wanted to do while suckering in some old DMC fans. This is also the first time I've spoke out about it; while I don't doubt some people whined, I spoke with my dollars.
Dave1988
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That would be for the best. Though, seeing as this is Crapcom we're talking about here, I remain skeptical.
The story for the old series being bad doesn't mean this one is good. It's also horrible and it takes itself too seriously for how poorly written it is.
#demons
The backtracking is shit, I'll never disagree with that, I also hate Nero, so DMC4 for me is basically Dante's Bloody Palace: The Game, but the combat is leagues above DmC, that's undeniable.
Relaxed Muscle
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Sega started scaling back their console development to anything that wasn't their best selling IP's. The fact Nintendo saw something on Bayonetta 2 (and PG to that extent) and that Sony ended the development of Heavenly Sword 2 and cut all ties with NT is more telling to me.
Why is that unusual or funny? Do you think one million is actually a solid showing for an established developer working on a long running series that has put up better numbers? These numbers are an embarrassment to Capcom.
toastyToast
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Could it be that maybe people didn't find the game appealing without having some sort of deep seated agenda against NT or the western expansion of Japanese IPs?
Is it so bad that people don't like the look of Dante? For example, the original Predator starred Arnold Schwarzenegger close to his physical peak, it co-starred Jessie Ventura, Carl Weathers and Bill fucking Duke. A bunch of badasses. When I saw the trailer for the reboot with Adrien Brody and Topher Grace I thought, "Man, I don't wanna see this shit. No way it'll compare to the original." Is that so bad? Even on the limited information from the trailer, I got that the tone of the movie wouldn't be the same. If I liked the old tone and this wasn't the same, I don't see why as some sort of measure of my intellectualism, that I should watch it anyway to form some sort of 'valid' opinion. That's what a trailer is for, setting a tone in someone's mind, dropping the canvas in there with a rough sketch, something for them to go off of.
In relating that to this, a $60 product, if I can say, "Eh, maybe I'll catch Predators when it's on DVD. I'm not watching that in a theater" and that costs $10 to see, why the expectation that someone would drop $60 out of some sort of obligation to the product and its lineage?
Is it so bad that people don't like the look of Dante? For example, the original Predator starred Arnold Schwarzenegger close to his physical peak, it co-starred Jessie Ventura, Carl Weathers and Bill fucking Duke. A bunch of badasses. When I saw the trailer for the reboot with Adrien Brody and Topher Grace I thought, "Man, I don't wanna see this shit. No way it'll compare to the original." Is that so bad? Even on the limited information from the trailer, I got that the tone of the movie wouldn't be the same. If I liked the old tone and this wasn't the same, I don't see why as some sort of measure of my intellectualism, that I should watch it anyway to form some sort of 'valid' opinion. That's what a trailer is for, setting a tone in someone's mind, dropping the canvas in there with a rough sketch, something for them to go off of.
In relating that to this, a $60 product, if I can say, "Eh, maybe I'll catch Predators when it's on DVD. I'm not watching that in a theater" and that costs $10 to see, why the expectation that someone would drop $60 out of some sort of obligation to the product and its lineage?
Majukun
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so,because people don't have your same opinion,they are the cancer of gaming?
changes are not a good thing by themselves,if these changes made a worst game for the people who enjoyed the previous games,why they shouldn't complain?
because you are ok with those changes?
Yeah it could be that but God of War sells pretty consistantly and theres been plenty of those.
Yeah, not sure how to feel. They made a good game, just not a great DMC game. I didn't like a lot of the direction they took.
Glass Rebel
Member
really?
I really hope they took notes on how to make games during the DmC development. This shit + their previous game is the reason why a lot of people were turned off at the idea NT was making the game.
Dave1988
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God of War is kinda like the Call of Duty of the ganre: big, loud, dumb, and attracts a lot of casuals.
AlphaDragoon
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I gave DmC the fair shake and played the demo with an open mind, but it just doesn't cut it in my opinion. Hopefully they take the hint and do DMC5 now. It'd be pretty badass to have a game where they expand upon Nero's skill set/more weapons with the Exceed system.
Of course, what's actually gonna happen is typical Capcpom "no market for this franchise, drop it".
Of course, what's actually gonna happen is typical Capcpom "no market for this franchise, drop it".
Riposte
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How is old Dante "I don't care because I'm gay"? What does that even mean?
True enough. They are still good fun though.
You know what he means by that.
I just thought most people got past that usage of the word.
Acquiescence
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Based on what evidence? Do you know the sales figures for Revengeance, 101 and Bayonetta 2?
Oh yeah, definitely. Nothing to do with the game not meeting sales expectations; it was that blasted restructuring that proved to be Bayonetta's downfall.
What's telling to me is that Sega gave Platinum Games five chances on a myriad of different systems and all those times PG couldn't produce one money-maker. If only Ninja Theory were so fortunate as to work for a publisher that would allow them 5 bombs in a row before casting them away.
Wow, it's like reading the top comment in your average DmC youtube video, but in reverse.
There will be a sequel. Capcom don't care if they lose millions doing it.
AcceptableGhost
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If Bayonetta 2 wasn't going to make money - Nintendo would not have picked it up. Also do tell me, what was Bayonetta's sales expectation (and budget)? Sega was pretty much rehauled during this time, your saying it had zero effect on what titles they were going forward with beyond their current deals?
FreedomFrisbee
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I can understand how people could like this game more than DMC3 or 4. It's got a more malleable difficulty and a vastly different aesthetic that'll make it appeal to a different audience than the previous games. It's too bad for capcom that audience is smaller than the old one. They went from a game that appealed to international audiences, to one that is really heavily european influenced. Nobody should have expected that to sell more.
Not to mention the story and voice acting were complete crap and way below NT's previous games.
Out of all the reviews of it I've seen, Sessler's really hits it on the head. I really don't see what Shoemaker sees in the game at all.
Not to mention the story and voice acting were complete crap and way below NT's previous games.
Out of all the reviews of it I've seen, Sessler's really hits it on the head. I really don't see what Shoemaker sees in the game at all.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
What has platinum got to do with this anyway? Did they develop DmC?
GOW actually puts thought behind its level design, music, set pieces and art. The attention to detail is amazing which you don't get with "dumb" games; Just look at that manticore dev video, it's just one type of foe yet SSM have put a lot of detail and nuances to the beast. That's the reason the games take 3 years to make, dumb games are made quick to cash in. So just becaues it isn't as deep as DMC doesn't make it a lesser experience, the game has its own priorities and creates a consistent feel across everything and is more about the the experience and sense of adventure.
This. I think a large part of the blame should lie with Capcom and their marketing, positioning, and decision to change the image drastically. It would be a shame if the postmortem only focused on the gameplay developmental efforts. There's probably more perception stuff involved.
By the way, so Capcom tried to get Japanese studio to make a Western franchise (Dogma) and Western studio to make a Japanese franchise (DmC) and both bombed? That's rough.
Riposte
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No, I don't think I do. Nothing about that sentence makes sense to me.
BIONIC-ARRRMMM!!
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AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
metalslimer
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Just because it shipped 1 million copies does not mean it's even close to that in stores. Capcom is amazing at massively overshipping games. But a 800k drop in the forecast? Yeah, this experiment doesn't seem to have produced the fruits that Capcom wanted.