The 3DS is not doing "fine" according to Nontendo's continuously slashed predictions. It's surviving.
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Iwata to become Nintendo of America CEO, NoA CEO promoted to NCL Managing Director
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The 3DS is not doing "fine" according to Nontendo's continuously slashed predictions. It's surviving.
JordanN
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Xbox also got screwed last gen but then look at the next. Soul Calibur IV and V later returned to Microsoft. So there's no excuse.
We have a situation right no where there are still plenty of new 360 and PS3 games being made that are skipping the WiiU, despite it being more than capable of handling them.
I think you are grossly simplifying things.
I love how words can be used to mean different things in a relative manner.
Is surviving not fine? In fact, isn't surviving a success after several GAFers and analysts thought it would fail completely to take off at all?
It's DragonSworne, he's so bitter that Nintendo didn't respect his hyperbolic expectations in Japan that now he hates them, because they made him look like a fool. A fascinating change of character, in the end.
Fourth Storm
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I think Reggie's main problem is he fails as a PR spokesperson. Whenever he begins a sentence with "Candidly," you know right then his answer is going to be anything but candid. It would be nice if he just leveled with us Jack Tretton-style instead of all the dodging and, at times, straight up lying.
JordanN
Banned
This generation is almost done. The focus is shifting to PS4/720.
Wii U represents a "wtf?" to publishers because it's not suitable for any generation.
If 31 millions in two years is just surviving, then many products are doomed even before they're launched. Granted, Western situation must improve in a good way and this year there are good premises, but "surviving"?!? I guess "BIGGEST SUCCESS OF ALL TIME!!111!!!" or nothing for Nontendo.
...Nontendo. LOL.
3DS is planned to be at 49 millions for its third anniversary. Only the most successful gaming machines achieved that, right?
NoirVisage
Banned
So he got booted from japan?
What will happen to Reggie now?Will he be undermined more? More power will be given to him or more will be stripped of him?
This isn't a promotion.This is absolutely fucking hilarious. Whatever it means for the future of Nintendo aside, just the idea of everyone on GAF who have been grumbling for Iwata's blood being presented with this news makes me laugh so hard
It's surviving in a pretty interesting way as it currently sold more than even the previous gen of home consoles at that point in their life cycle. And that while not even meeting expectations in the biggest markets? Some survival skill, I guess.
Absolutely irrelevant to what is being discussed here.
You are making the claim that developers will put games anywhere that has the power to run them because games need to be on as many platforms
And, yet, here we are, with evidence to the contrary.
Spirit Icana
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He's one of the bad guys complete with evil laugh and grin. Have you not seen this video?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbv-x_QzavM
or better yet, this one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k08pQDoPmXc
We must get him before he gets us!
We'll see. They could/should have done a lot of this years ago if they really cared.
Where did this argument that Nintendo would automatically get better 3rd party support with nicer specs come from? Definitely not from the N64 or GCN era. Which Nintendo systems get 3rd party support these days? Their underpowered handhelds, go figure. Some people simply will never accept that Nintendo won't releae a third "HD Triplet" with Mario on top.
Because no matter how bad Iwata is, at least he's a gamer and a programmer and knows games and was around during the golden age.
Reggie is incompetent, doesn't know shit about games and doesn't know shit full stop.
If Iwata had said he was sacking reggie and taking over NOA, I would be fully behind the move.
As it stands, Iwata is in charge and reggie now probably has more power than ever!
I think this is actually great for Nintendo and NoA, specifically. Performance in North America, which has seen much better days, will now fall directly on Iwata's shoulders. Those who want NCL to pay more attention to the NA market should be far happier with this situation rather than a no-name (or at least less well-known and less influential) NoA CEO because now if things don't turn around in North America, there will be no one to scapegoat. The man in charge of Nintendo as a whole and credited/blamed for ALL of NoA's performance will be one and the same. What's the sense in appointing someone else to NoA CEO who will most likely continue to be brushed aside as NoA seems to have been lately?
I'd bet Iwata will do all he can to focus on cleaning things up in North America and it will not be the afterthought it seems to be now. Whether he's able to understand the western market is another story. however, as long as Iwata is still around, I think him taking direct responsibility and a much larger stake in NA should be seen as a good thing.
I'd bet Iwata will do all he can to focus on cleaning things up in North America and it will not be the afterthought it seems to be now. Whether he's able to understand the western market is another story. however, as long as Iwata is still around, I think him taking direct responsibility and a much larger stake in NA should be seen as a good thing.
From claiming indies have told Nintendo to "pound dirt" to outbursts like this....your credibility is just continuing to drop like a rock. Maybe you should take a break from Nintendo news for a while?
Agreed. Thoroughly.
No, it isn't. Not in the way people seem to imply when they point to the 3DS doing "fine."
The 3DS is doing well enough to not be considered a failure. But it's not doing well enough to be used as an example of Nintendo's strategy being successful, in my opinion.
Its performance is just sort of...there.
TreasureHunterG
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I never believed this "Reggie is a puppet" conspiracy theory. There's evidence to tell the otherwise. I do believe Reggie does have authonomy over NoA but he's incompetent to hold it. Iwata taking over is an indication that NCL isn't happy with Reggie's management over NoA.
Well, what does Nintendo say about it? This is from the Notice of Full-Year Financial Forecast Differences with its Results:
Reason for variances
The operating loss increased primarily due to the sales of "Nintendo 3DS" and "Wii U" being weaker than expected. While foreign exchange gains in Non-operating income increased, ordinary income and net income became smaller than the forecast.
But you can always count on the Nintendo enthusiasts to break out the LTD when discussing the 3DS's current performance. Or, in this case, the LTD plus a forecast that will soon be revised down, if past performance is any indication. Bravo.
I don't recall ever saying that.
JordanN
Banned
If Wii U came out in 2006, I'd agree with you.
But it's 2013. Extra resources are still needed when porting these games. These resources are better off being used for the fast approaching next gen.
Edit: Some games were also in development before Wii U even existed.
It's doing pretty great for a dedicated handheld device in the age of smartphones and tablets and with no Pokémon on it. I repeat, I doubt we'll see any game system match DS numbers anytime soon. Just take a look at the other current handheld and its Iwata-less glory.
Crytek actually wants to, but they're not a publisher so it's not really their decision. They've ported the one thing they distribute themselves: CryEngine.
chaosblade
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Featureset-wise WiiU should be close enough to the PS4/NextBox that porting wouldn't be nearly as significant as 360/PS3 to Wii, for example. It's closer to a PC game's high settings vs medium/low settings.
It's going to depend more on publishers' faith and interest in the platform, and with some games not even getting ports from PS3/360, I'd say things aren't looking good.
No, that's my bad. Those weren't your exact worse, but pretty damn close:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=54710874&postcount=3624
This is such a laughable assertion I don't even know where to begin. Notendo indeed.....
JordanN
Banned
Both Gamecube and Xbox got Soul Calibur II but missed III. The generation after that, only Microsoft continued to get Soul Calibur.
Right. And it's 20fucking13. No excuse to still have it.
A year or two? He should have done it ( assuming its a move to be more western friendly) when he joined.
I'm not convinced it will be good for western markets because everything Nintendo's done to date shows they don't care/understand. But I really have zero understanding of how much influence various employees of the regions have had.
Aaron Strife
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Holy Order Sol
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Outtrigger888
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You need to let go of the idea that hardware power is why Nintendo doesn't get support already. For the most part, in most cases, that isn't it.
SCIII was moneyhatted by Sony. SC5 missed Wii U due to timing.
Considering Namco is codevving Smash, I'd expect to see SC 6 on Wii U.
They killed the series after it continued to lose money. Be thankful we got three games.
So based on one series we're going to dismiss the fact that N64 and GCN were pretty weak 3rd-party-wise despite their specs. I can make the point that N64 barely got any fighter from Namco, Capcom or anyone.
JordanN
Banned
Nah, the gap is still big.
A 1.8 Tflop DX11 level GPU completely wrecks Nintendo from a mile.
If Nintendo was smart, they could have targeted something low end but still modern like a Radeon HD 6570 level GPU. But now they have to face the consequences (of being cheap) again.
Coulda woulda shoulda.
Nintendo is absolutely kicking ass when it comes to engaging indie game development...RIGHT NOW. Yes they "coulda" had better Wiiware policies. And yeah, they "shoulda" had better promotion of indie titles. That is in the past, what matters is the here and now. And right now, in this space, Nintendo is the shit....and indies are responding.
Same goes for other initiatives (publisher support, more product line integration, etc). What matters is what's going to happen right now, versus continuously brooding over "Nintendo shoulda done this or that".
You're totally right. Predictions aren't arguments. And wasn't 3DS profitable only since September ? So, in this case, meeting expectations was really important because they needed to recoup costs of their slashing at time. But sales wise, it's not so bad, worse than the beast DS so not good for investors, I think that's what means most of those (like me) who say that 3DS issue is not that bad, only sales wise. Concerning the economical point...
So it's okay for some awesome games to be forgotten after not getting pushed yet Iwata can lose billions on his vanity projects?
Difference is, Wii was a GameCube overspeced, the Wii U has a modern GPU, 1/1.5GB for games, and a GPGPU like PS4/720 will have.
There is a difference between what the Wii was compared to PS3/360 and Wii U to PS4/720.
Zoramon089
Banned
It's like you didn't even read what he said. Feature set. Wii was completely incapable of doing a lot of things the 360/PS3 could. It wasn't just a case of massive scaling down, it was just not possible. Not to mention a 20x gap compared to a 4/5x for the Wii U
And? The part you bolded was clearly in reference to Blackberry. I don't see you addressing the point I was making in that threa d about Nintendo needing to do more than just provide an infrastructure, or how that has shit all to do with anything I've said in this thread.
But humor me and pick a place to begin.
Spirit Icana
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Nah, that would be me and my gang buddies, called the Mass Market, that did that. We didn't buy it.
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