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[Tabris]

So as a tank, if I just ran in, flashed until my MP was out. Then waited until my MP was refreshed for my next pull, repeated, causing the dungeon to take a long time, because I wanted to spend more time chatting / alt-tabbed, that's not selfish? I'm doing "my job" by tanking.

Because this is the equivalent of that.

it's pretty amazing how slow to average length runs are always the healer's fault for not DPSing, and never the 2 DPS for possibly underperforming.

Unless parsing, you cannot judge the quality of DPS outside their dodging skills. That's why they don't get the blame. If this game had a built-in meter, they would definitely be called out.

 

[Kagari]

As a healer it should be up to me if I want to DPS or not.

 

[Ken]

So as a tank, if I just ran in, flashed until my MP was out. Then waited until my MP was refreshed for my next pull, repeated, causing the dungeon to take a long time, because I wanted to spend more time chatting / alt-tabbed, that's not selfish? I'm doing "my job" by tanking.

Because this is the equivalent of that.

if no one dies because of it, go for it

Unless parsing, you cannot judge the quality of DPS outside their dodging skills. That's why they don't get the blame. If this game had a built-in meter, they would definitely be called out.

just watch their cast bar, applied debuffs and rotation animations

after all isnt that partly how you judge healers

 

[Tabris]

Craziness. I wouldn't want to subject the other 3 people to that. It's not fair to them just so "I can play the game how I want". Same reason I'm against spirit bonding in dungeons (sorry Asami).

EDIT - I guess I have a different expectation of the group play element. May come from expectations placed on me in FFXI, because exping parties required a lot of concentration on ensuring optimal exp. My perspective as an old school FFXI player without having played WoW in the middle probably changes how I play FFXIV.

 

[Ken]

Craziness. I wouldn't want to subject the other 3 people to that. It's not fair to them just so "I can play the game how I want". Same reason I'm against spirit bonding in dungeons (sorry Asami). I guess I have a different expectation of the group play element. May come from expectations placed on me in FFXI.

you should throw some of those expectations onto your SCOB static

Craziness. I wouldn't want to subject the other 3 people to that. It's not fair to them just so "I can play the game how I want". Same reason I'm against spirit bonding in dungeons (sorry Asami).

it's not "play the game how you want' but "fulfill your assigned role in a duty"

if your job is tank, then you're successful by holding emnity and not letting your group get whacked. how you do it doesn't matter to me. if i have to wait between pulls for your MP to fill then that's okay too.

 

[Tabris]

you should throw some of those expectations onto your SCOB static

Whatcha talking about? I have super high expectations for my SCOB static (they can attest to that) and they are usually met cause they're awesome. Maybe not T9 awesome yet but we're getting there.

 

[NeOak]

Is there a way to know if someone enters your room at the FC house?

Guys? ;-;

 

[Sophia]

As a healer it should be up to me if I want to DPS or not.

I guess it's one thing if it's like... the end Moggle Mog Extreme where every DPS counts. But it won't matter either way if a healer chooses to DPS or not in the Duty Roulette. More then that, some people may not feel comfortable adding an additional task on top of that. Especially if they're playing on controller or don't have decent keyboard bindings set up.

 

[Tabris]

Yeah, I mean you're making fair points. I just expect optimal play vs casual play. And I really do think it comes from FFXI. While here it's the difference of 5-10 minutes spent in a dungeon (which does add up), while in FFXI - it was the difference of hours and days of exping in the end.

But it won't matter either way if a healer chooses to DPS or not in the Duty Roulette.

It matters. It's a difference of 5+ minutes in a dungeon. The question is whether you care or not about it. I care about saving that time, you guys don't mind spending the extra 5+ minutes, that's the difference is all.

 

[Sophia]

I would fully expect a healer to perform DPS if possible in content that mattered. But Duty Roulette is not that content. Nobody goes into Duty Roulette with the intent of playing at the best of their abilities, and nobody expects anyone else to.

 

[Tabris]

I would fully expect a healer to perform DPS if possible in content that mattered. But Duty Roulette is not that content. Nobody goes into Duty Roulette with the intent of playing at the best of their abilities, and nobody expects anyone else to.

See, this is the big question I have personally - Why not? But I'm a competitive person, so others may not be and just want to play in a casual relaxed environment. I get that.

 

[Sophia]

See, this is the big question I have personally - Why not?

Because if it's in Duty Roulette, then the content is exceptionally easy. Eventually you'll hit a point where the difference between "Performing at the best of your ability" and "Performing marginally decent enough to pass the content" is pretty insignificant. A healer throwing DPS on Haukke Manor HM or Tam Tara HM doesn't really speed it up all that much.

 

[Ken]

just go full right side str gear and respec to STR on your tank, tabris

 

[Tabris]

You know what DF should have? The same way as PF has? Flags.

- Casual Run
- Serious Play Run
- Multiple Runs for Loot (where it repeats the same members in DF until someone leaves)

That would be awesome. A better matching system. I know this won't happen though.

just go full right side str gear and respec to STR on your tank, tabris

I am thinking of doing this for my WAR who I rarely play just for dungeons.

 

[Haly]

See, this is the big question I have personally - Why not? But I'm a competitive person, so others may not be and just want to play in a casual relaxed environment. I get that.

Duty Finder and similar MMO party finders are not competitive matchmaking systems.They're a QoL feature for people who don't have that much time to dedicate to finding parties, aka casuals, but still want to be able to do some content occasionally. People who actually cared that much about clear times usually already had statics they could do it with.

 

[AlphaDragoon]

Craziness. I wouldn't want to subject the other 3 people to that. It's not fair to them just so "I can play the game how I want". Same reason I'm against spirit bonding in dungeons (sorry Asami).

I can't do spiritbonding in dungeons simply because I can't stand doing less DPS when I could do more. Max DPS all day, every day, all the time.

 

[Ken]

what DF needs is a harsher penalty for leaving

 

[tiggerkiddo]

to be fair demanding speed runs out of everyone in df'd dungeons is kind of selfish

You'd be surprised how often it happens

 

[Kagari]

You'd be surprised how often it happens

I really don't like it. Even as a DPS.

 

[Teknoman]

Guys? ;-;

I think you see a message in the mist? It would be nice if we had guestbooks.

 

[klee123]

I really don't like it. Even as a DPS.

Good thing about DPS is if they rage quit and leave the party, it shouldn't take long for a replacement to fill in the void.

I haven't seen too many impatient DPS players though, since because chances are they would have waited 20+ minutes on DF lol.

 

[Mairu]

It's okay Tabris I understand - I don't give healers commendations unless they're dps'ing if I happened to do a random roulette. I don't expect it from randoms though.

 

[Sorian]

Craziness. I wouldn't want to subject the other 3 people to that. It's not fair to them just so "I can play the game how I want". Same reason I'm against spirit bonding in dungeons (sorry Asami).

Hey, do you want me to have a bad ass novus or not?

 

[Tabris]

Hey, do you want me to have a bad ass novus or not?

Haha, true. Spiritbond away!

 

[Sorian]

Haha, true. Spiritbond away!

Broke another det materia today. 88% my ass.

 

[DimmuBurgerKing]

I really don't like it. Even as a DPS.

I always ask first when I tank. If anybody indicates they'd rather not, then I don't try to speedrun, period. Or sometimes I just don't feel like hurrying through a dungeon. At those times I sometimes get some pushback from one of the DPS, but I kindly tell them they're welcome to try their luck with another DF tank instead. They usually stay.

 

[klee123]

I always ask first when I tank. If anybody indicates they'd rather not, then I don't try to speedrun, period. Or sometimes I just don't feel like hurrying through a dungeon. At those times I sometimes get some pushback from one of the DPS, but I kindly tell them they're welcome to try their luck with another DF tank instead. They usually stay.

As I said above, considering that they probably waiting for 30-40 minutes on DF roulette, I'm not surprised.

Usually, from my experience, it's the healers who demand for SR.

 

[irfaanator]

na dude you're pretty selfish

imo it's the healer's duty to make sure everyone stays alive through the dungeon. if they get that right then i think they did a good job. if they DPS that's a nice bonus too and they'll be more likely to win my commendation, but i don't expect them to do it.

it's pretty amazing how slow to average length runs are always the healer's fault for not DPSing, and never the 2 DPS for possibly underperforming.

Pretty much, as long as there aren't multiple wipes in the dungeon it's a win for me. I always set aside about 30 minutes for expert roulette. I also love slow tanking, allows me to do other things while Im in the dungeon

 

[Mature]

Have we talked about just how good the Lost City of Amdapor theme is? I just ran it for the first time the other day and I love it.

 

[theSlacker]

Sounds like hunts on Ultros is awful. I'm glad my FC took point on establishing an open, organized, and inclusive LS for hunts. Not to say it's a utopia or without issue, but I've had a pretty decent time with hunts on Gilgamesh and due to working during the week full time, I've only really been able to participate at primetime.

I think the system itself is really poorly designed from a risk vs reward perspective but nothing has discouraged me that much from my current goal of obtaining some GC glamour gear through seals. I do expect them to eventually address it, but hopefully their solution doesn't just drive people away from hunts completely and toward another mechanic entirely (which is what happened with fates vs. dungeons pre-atma)

Don't take all the doom and gloom you are hearing in here seriously. There are plenty of people enjoying hunts on Ultros and the game hasn't felt healthier because of it since the start of atma and then launch.

Remove log drops and cap seals at 450. That's 2 sands every 3 weeks. That's more than fair.

Also reduce the cost of the allied seal gear.

Yay more content that feels like a job that I need to reach my cap and then can not care about logging on anymore. How fun.

I doubt making it OP for pvp is the way to go.

Stealth doesn't make things op. What is the point of a combat class with stealth if other players would be able to see through it in pvp anyway? I mean its kinda useless for pve content right now for a combat class with how impotent the world mobs are.

 

[DimmuBurgerKing]

Have we talked about just how good the Lost City of Amdapor theme is? I just ran it for the first time the other day and I love it.

One of the best pieces in the game. On the topic of music, I really enjoy going to Coerthas and hearing the organ theme that plays throughout. Reminds me of Narshe in the World of Ruin in FFVI.

 

[Ark]

Man you guys weren't kidding when you said queue times would be long as a DPS. Trying to get my Chocobo but I can't get into a group for the Copper Mines

Enjoying the game so far, level 20 Miqo'te Archer.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

I see this brought up more than once, and again, they did add some new dungeons that are much better than Brayflox.

People didn't run Brayflox because they liked or disliked it. There was no emotional attachment or lack thereof. They ran it because it was fast.

The new dungeons are full of measures meant to slow you down as much as possible. So if going fast is your goal, then the new dungeons are worthless.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

Why aren't you guys working on Turn 9 then?

Because most of GAF are people who have full time jobs, husbands and wives, children, or other obligations. Your Coil group is the only remaining one in our FC of over 500+ people which has 8 members who all have apparently infinite spare time. The other groups have largely been on hiatus or have had members quit and are not in a position to be inside T9 4-5 days a week until they beat it.

The 1% of MMO players who have infinite spare time cannot support a game by themselves. That is why there has to be content also available for the other 99% of players who also must have something to do all week. It happens that Hunts are the best idea so far for this as it doesn't require 8 people to be able to meet at exactly the same time multiple days every week. People can log in, join a pickup Hunt party, zerg down mobs for a few hours, feel good that they accomplished something today, log off, and renew their sub for the month. It's a win-wwin situation for everybody except the 1%. If the 1% paid for everyone's subs then that would be fine, but they don't. So here we are.

 

[Kagari]

Because most of GAF are people who have full time jobs, husbands and wives, children, or other obligations. Your Coil group is the only remaining one in our FC of over 500+ people which has 8 members who all have apparently infinite spare time. The other groups have largely been on hiatus or have had members quit and are not in a position to be inside T9 4-5 days a week until they beat it.

The 1% of MMO players who have infinite spare time cannot support a game by themselves. That is why there has to be content also available for the other 99% of players who also must have something to do all week. It happens that Hunts are the best idea so far for this as it doesn't require 8 people to be able to meet at exactly the same time multiple days every week. People can log in, join a pickup Hunt party, zerg down mobs for a few hours, feel good that they accomplished something today, log off, and renew their sub for the month. It's a win-wwin situation for everybody except the 1%. If the 1% paid for everyone's subs then that would be fine, but they don't. So here we are.

1) We didn't practice it 4-5 days a week nor do we have infinite time.
2) We practiced T9 for about 2-3 lockouts a week until the last week before 2.3 in which we went on Monday-Thursday to finish the last 20% or so of the fight we had. We also had to replace a member during that time and teach them most of the fight.
3) If you feel that way then maybe you should stop raiding?
4) Don't assume so much about other groups when you don't know the truth.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

3) If you feel that way then maybe you should stop raiding?

I have a better idea, maybe you should stop telling other people how they should be allowed to play a game that everyone shares. Stop constantly complaining about Hunts and calling for nerfs because YOU aren't having fun while hundreds of other people on the server are, at literally all hours of the day.

4) Don't assume so much about other groups when you don't know the truth.

I was specifically addressing the case of theSlacker's group, which was the person who you were so condescendingly replying to without understanding why their group had not been attempting T9 for a month, or why they don't meet all the time to constantly make attempts on it.

 

[TheDancingWatermelon]

1) We didn't practice it 4-5 days a week nor do we have infinite time.
2) We practiced T9 for about 2-3 lockouts a week until the last week before 2.3 in which we went on Monday-Thursday to finish the last 20% or so of the fight we had. We also had to replace a member during that time and teach them most of the fight.
3) If you feel that way then maybe you should stop raiding?
4) Don't assume so much about other groups when you don't know the truth.

Hmm...

Why aren't you guys working on Turn 9 then?

Should probably stick to standing at the house lording yourself over your fellow FC members since you seem incapable of following your own advice.

 

[Tabris]

Love doing EXDR with Korra or Tirazel. It goes by so quickly. Love that Holy spam.

 

[Ken]

anyone else crash a lot when you try to take a screenshot on PC?

 

[Tabris]

In non-drama news, our group is super close to clearing T8. I think we should have it next week. Then we get to start the T9 fun!

 

[Kagari]

I have a better idea, maybe you should stop telling other people how they should be allowed to play a game that everyone shares. Stop constantly complaining about Hunts and calling for nerfs because YOU aren't having fun while hundreds of other people on the server are, at literally all hours of the day.



I was specifically addressing the case of theSlacker's group, which was the person who you were so condescendingly replying to without understanding why their group had not been attempting T9 for a month, or why they don't meet all the time to constantly make attempts on it.

It was a legitimate question and not directed at you.
This conversation is over right now. Any further derailings and I'll have to take action.

Hmm...



Should probably stick to standing at the house lording yourself over your fellow FC members since you seem incapable of following your own advice.

Quit it.

 

[dcye]

lol. Honestly.

 

[TheDancingWatermelon]

In other news, super pumped for the costume contest in the FC on Ultros. Share details soon Maple so we can start planning!

Spoiler

I'm going to be eliminated right off the bat because I look like Dracula aren't I?

 

[Sorian]

OT is getting hot guys.

 

[Hasney]

In other news, super pumped for the costume contest in the FC on Ultros. Share details soon Maple so we can start planning!

Spoiler

I'm going to be eliminated right off the bat because I look like Dracula aren't I?

Hildibrand Manderville on Ultros wins. This year and every year.

 

[Gromph]

I have a better idea, maybe you should stop telling other people how they should be allowed to play a game that everyone shares. Stop constantly complaining about Hunts and calling for nerfs because YOU aren't having fun while hundreds of other people on the server are, at literally all hours of the day.



I was specifically addressing the case of theSlacker's group, which was the person who you were so condescendingly replying to without understanding why their group had not been attempting T9 for a month, or why they don't meet all the time to constantly make attempts on it.

Hmm...



Should probably stick to standing at the house lording yourself over your fellow FC members since you seem incapable of following your own advice.

Stop derailing the thread.

Last warning to everyone.

 

[studyguy]

Coming in at 1AM to say new OT is on point!

 

[TheDancingWatermelon]

Hildibrand Manderville on Ultros wins. This year and every year.

Crap, I didn't even think of that. Scythings probably already prepping to roll that out ; ;

 

[Pyros_Eien]

Love doing EXDR with Korra or Tirazel. It goes by so quickly. Love that Holy spam.

Is Holy spam actually sustainable now? You used to be oom in like 5secs and WHM regen was awful, do you need to run a bard to make it work or? Can't really find patch notes by class so other than hearing about warriors getting change in 2.1 and BLMs getting changes in the last patch I didn't really know what changed much.

 

[kiryogi]

Man the Eureka 7 bluray SD remasters are great. It's actually pretty decent looking unlike the joke job that was Spice and Wolf S1 from Funi. That said, it's fucking great reliving Eureka 7 again. Everything that made me fall in love with it is all falling in place. The quote about it being one of the best love stories ever told, I stand by it!