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Destiny's raids will not support online matchmaking with random players.
- Thread starter sjay1994
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In what world does waypoints(a little blip on the screen/map that tells you where to go) equals a check point?
Eh I really would prefer if they offered optional matchmaking.
I think Bungie underestimates the difficulty of their modes when pitted up against co-op gameplay. 4 player co-op in the Halo games made legendary difficulty a joke, and after 7-8 hours of purely doing the level 8 strike in the beta with randoms, I only failed once. Literally, only one time during the strike do I remember all 3 of us dieing.
Granted there's plenty of exceptions to that (none of that is truly comparable to a well designed raid) and this is speculation, but game developers do have a habit of radically underestimating the skill of their player base. 1 year down the line people would be so familiar with this game that 6 randoms might be able to easily to this on their own without communication.
I think Bungie underestimates the difficulty of their modes when pitted up against co-op gameplay. 4 player co-op in the Halo games made legendary difficulty a joke, and after 7-8 hours of purely doing the level 8 strike in the beta with randoms, I only failed once. Literally, only one time during the strike do I remember all 3 of us dieing.
Granted there's plenty of exceptions to that (none of that is truly comparable to a well designed raid) and this is speculation, but game developers do have a habit of radically underestimating the skill of their player base. 1 year down the line people would be so familiar with this game that 6 randoms might be able to easily to this on their own without communication.
Waypoints and checkpoints are not the same thing. I think it will be broken up in phases based on Luke's description. Not sure though. You're just not going to have arrows telling you which way to go or what to do... You and your team will have to figure it out.
Well, one more thing in Destiny I'll never be able to actually take part in due to time constraints and a lack of people who can coordinate 2-3 hours of their time to doing it.
I'll echo someone else's sentiment, it's my time to waste, if I want to match make to do it, then I should be able to.
I'll echo someone else's sentiment, it's my time to waste, if I want to match make to do it, then I should be able to.
Xamtheking
Member
He means there are no checkpoints for dying AFAIK
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
6 players is the min threshold for MASSIVE multiplayer?
Did they open up the moon on the last day or something? Highest I could ever do was a level 6 strike mission.
Nah I get what you mean, I was just being witty.
dragonelite
Member
That is what i think will happen just find a pug and reroll first couple of bosses or encounters.
And from what i can gather you can farm the strongest gear doing dailies and weekly quests for currencies?
What does that even mean. Everything in the beta was one way forward all the time. One corridor lead to some room and so on. I doubt the raid will be some kind of labyrinth all of a sudden.
Oh. I misunderstood you then. So it just doesn't have a "go here for next boss" thing? One would hope the level design makes it clear where to go then.
I agree with you here. This is all a result of certain social aspects that Bungie didn't get done in time or simply decided they didn't want to do.
Here's the solution. You don't choose matchmaking.
If you only have 30 minutes to play and you matchmake into a Raid and then quit, then you are wasting other people's time.
We have the above statement to go off on what Bungie considers a raid.
Balls hard, and communication is an absolute must.
And there absolutely are valid concerns, but not many valid points are made.
Most posts here are just people blowing a gasket because they realize that a tiny sliver of the endgame content might not be accessible to them.
It's a raid, did they honestly expect it to be soloable or puggable? Surely this 'raid' terminology is not all that new in the gaming world.
If you're here and not on last gen platforms this really shouldn't be an issue.
Though I tend to have hangups myself getting into these sorts of things so I may not be doing them anyway. Don't like being STUCK to a game for hours, seem to fail to get groups when asking, etc.
Caayn
Member
Oh come one. I don't have 6 people that I play Destiny with, so we're going to be screwed from the start. The least Bungie could've done is allow us to decide for ourselves if we want to pick the positives of matchmaking over the negatives or not.
Destiny keeps getting more disappointing for me.
Destiny keeps getting more disappointing for me.
But if I have 2-3 hours to play, but no one else I know does, then I should be able to roll the dice on a thrown together group and take my chances if I'm inclined to do that.
Xamtheking
Member
There are people in DestinyGAF to play with
There are enough people on DestinyGAF(At least for the first few months) to Raid with
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
Not to sound like too much of a dick, but I don't think this particular content is being designed for players with the mindset you have.
If you really want to do stuff like this, make friends along the way. Hit up the GAF stuff, and be a little more social
Felessan
Member
FF14 raid party is 8 people and last bosses are quite hard.
The typical experience in "raids" for people that have zero dedication and pain tolerance is that they wipe in the first 5 minutes and break up half a hour later.
And those who do have dedication will have specialized community for them (there is always a raid community, hidden somewhere from casual crowd eyes), that even if they have no friends, they can still raid.
Twilight Gap
Member
I don't understand this contradictory statement.
>You have a limited time to play, yet you want to play a 2-3 hour game mode
>You have a "lack of people who can coordinate 2-3 hours of their time", yet you are on GAF which will have hundreds of players available at all times to play
>You have no problem wasting your time failing a raid, yet you don't want to spend any time finding a group more likely to succeed in the limited amount of time you have to play
I will be the first to yell at Bungie's dumb decisions (and this is by no means a perfect system), but this "sentiment" is much dumber. They may as well water-down the Raids because people don't have enough time to learn how to play the game.
There have already been complaints about random players in a 15-30 minute Strike mode quitting, going AFK, or otherwise dying constantly. I do not look forward to the ones about Raids.
You can do alternate level versions of all the activites, you had to click on the difficulty and it let you change. For example, you could do a level 8 version of the Last Array mission and not just level 5. Same with the strike, 6 was only the default level.
You're on GAF, plenty of people here to take you into a group.
Or you can make your own with requirements you deem necessary.
Just because you don't have 5 other people that you could form a Raid with right now, doesn't mean you can't find them yourself.
Stiler
Member
This is a terrible idea.
WHAT is the harm in allowing matchmaking? How does it hurt ANYONE?
You want to get friends together and do it? Fine, but to tell solo players and people who only have a couple of friends getting destiny that they can't do this or have to resort to the old "/shout lfg for raid" ? That is stupid design decision.
WHAT is the harm in allowing matchmaking? How does it hurt ANYONE?
You want to get friends together and do it? Fine, but to tell solo players and people who only have a couple of friends getting destiny that they can't do this or have to resort to the old "/shout lfg for raid" ? That is stupid design decision.
Unless raids are flat out NOT FUN if you do not complete them, then I don't get what point you are making.
The funny thing is we can't even tell people we're LFG :/
crappybannedjunior999999
Banned
There are a lot of people in these threads with their only sole purpose being to hate on the game. They don't like that they HAVE to ADS, or they don't like that "bungie screwed microsoft", or they are livid cause PS owners get something they don't, or the game is not big enough. 99 reasons to hate on Destiny.
Lots of ulterior motives regarding Destiny in these threads. Lots of entitlement and armchair devs. That 4.6 million number that was released today as far as Beta participation goes only served to make a lot of them angrier imo. LOTS of people WANT to see the game fail because of silly little console wars bullshit. Bungie has earned my money based on their track record and the beta.
I'm sure Bungie is going to put out a stinker as their first new IP in years. Yeah, right. I think the biggest population of haters are the Halo die hards. Destiny fucks them three ways, it's not Halo, It's not a Microsoft exclusive and it is a direct competitor to the franchise.
Xamtheking
Member
There are people in DestinyGAF to group with
Also, we've been told the Raids will be balls-to-the-wall hard, and I personally think that randoms aren't just gonna cut it.
You could end up with 2 good people and 3 people who just can't deal
This hurts my brain
Kacho
Member
Indeed. You would think streamlining and simplifying this for console players would have been a priority.
Isn't this every raid until people find out how to do it?
Duxxy3
Member
Especially considering who the publisher is.
ughhh...flashback to people playing MMORPGS with gear list and quest helper website / addon open
Because it probably does not work. Simple as that.
They probably figured this out after weeks of playtesting and actual real-world knowledge of the game.
The scenario you envision in your head when you think about raid matchmaking would probably be a complete disaster in the real world.
Wait what? where did you get this?
Souldestroyer Reborn
Banned
Hold me GAF.
This game. This game could possibly scratch that MMO itch that WoW left me with so many years ago.
Please don't fuck it up Bungie. Please.
This game. This game could possibly scratch that MMO itch that WoW left me with so many years ago.
Please don't fuck it up Bungie. Please.
MrGreencastle
Member
What a terrible title for this thread.
Matchmaking for Raids would be awful, even worse than Firefight matching in Reach, which pretty much single handedly ruined the fun of the mode.
Want matchmaking? Go play a Strike, Raids aren't for you.
Matchmaking for Raids would be awful, even worse than Firefight matching in Reach, which pretty much single handedly ruined the fun of the mode.
Want matchmaking? Go play a Strike, Raids aren't for you.
But if the end result is still fireteams stomp matchmakers, then the result is the same as raids. A poor experience. The fireteam gets no challenge and the matchmakers get stomped. Clearly that is a bad experience. We can't allow the possibility of that, so kill PvP matchmaking too. If people want to do PvP, they just need to go to the Tower and find other like-minded people to play with them or join their friends. That way, every single PvP match ever will be a well-rounded fireteam vs fireteam match.
That's a fair assessment. I haven't played many traditional MMOs so I'm not familiar with the shortcomings of those systems. Coming from Defiance I found very little of Destiny reminding me that it was an MMORPG. I was tackling this from an ME3 MP perspective. In that case the developers claimed the newest high difficulty mode would be extremely difficult. The masses found it difficult, but for some it was quickly mastered and pub grouping became a great way to keep things interesting. Groups were just there to speed run the instance or complete it with unique setups that increased the difficulty. In that case grouping was similar to Detiny GAF going into a PVP match thus removing all difficulty to quickly roll over the enemy and stat pad.
To me the only difference between the current Strike and Raid grouping is that Raiding is more cumbersome. If I wanted to Raid sometime today it's still very likely that one or two slots will be taken up by some random we don't know, but had to troll around outside the game to find.
Sho_Nuff82
Member
How are GAF randoms, in practice, better than IRL randoms? I don't know 99% of this board.
PodcastFips
Member
Guess I'll rely on my DestinyGAF clan buddies then, we'll be able to make it.
Cuz we're GAF and we're hardcore.
Xamtheking
Member
get off your high horse bro
Twilight Gap
Member
To be fair, the included mic with the PS4 is terrible and I didn't want to use that thing either.