Ragingnight
Member
whats the diff between ps3 and ps4 GG Xrd that warrants the 10 bucks difference
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Fighting Games Weekly | Sept 8-14 | Fining Nemo
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SloaneRisette
Member
Next gen tax
The privilege of being required to pay to play online.
Cosmo Clock 21
Banned
Gonna be difficult to form competitive-level analysis since CPU play is CPU play and nobody near me has the demo. What kinds of things do you want to hear about that matter to you that are feasible for us to figure out?
Ragingnight
Member
hmm thats it? I wonder which version will be more stable frame rate wise
I had PS+ for years so no difference lol
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I might get a ps4 and GG at the same time. I just hope the 1080 doesn't make it drop more frames.
His spiral sword will be too OP.
That Dude John
Member
I'm more curious about what they're gonna have to do to the PS3 version visually to keep it at 60fps.
And Dahbomb, when did your Vergil return?
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
I played it at EVO I saw nothing like that even doing yrc with bedman stuff
Ragingnight
Member
o so ps4 is good to go? Then PS4 it is! Thanks Q!
Had a chance to play it at AX but was so busy that I just forgot. I wonder which one was the main focus.
so GG + ps4 + stick = about 700 bucks. god damnnn
Axl Low, then Axl Rose, then Axl Grind, now Rear Axl.
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
Im 100% sure ps4 was the main focus
PS4 is still the better purchase in the long run. You're eventually going to have to buy a stick for the new consoles (unless you're one of those quit gaming every new gen types) and PS+ is an incredible service anyways that will only increase in value moving forward.
Buying a PS4 just for GG is dumb though.
Buying a PS4 just for GG is dumb though.
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
Good thing I dont play stick
I'll be shocked if it looks as good, lol at arcade perfection
RockTurtle
Member
i can't quite put my finger on the cell shading they use for 3ds smash. it's like pastel images, without the dark hard edge lines that are usually done.
my reddit account is sekrit and legit
my reddit account is sekrit and legit
i'm practically a mod at /r/juicyasians
Ragingnight
Member
well, its not just for GG but its one of thing that pushes me towards it. I have a vita so I wanted to try out remote play on some of the games.
Persona 5, GG, Disgaea 5 and then some other games. I already have a gaming pc for the multi-platform stuff
though I need to upgrade my GTX 460 to the new GTX 860 soon
In terms of gaming, I've been mostly been doing handhelds. Just beat ghost trick and dangan ronpa 2, way more fun than I had with any AAA games in recent memory.
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I also want a ps4 controller for PC. I don't know why but my ps3 controller stop working on pc.
sixteen-bit
Member
I like how the Xrd LE comes with a keychain that says FREE, cuz you're free to useless shit that comes with LE packaged games
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=893879
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=893879
Persona 5 is getting a PS3 release, same as GG, though.
The only wildcard there, is Disgaea 5, considering how small a company NI is, and how incredibly niche Disgaea is.
I'm not PS4 bashing - I have one myself.
Thanks for reminding me of D5.
...it is a very compelling reason to keep it.
BumblebeeCody
Member
Maybe it means Sol Badguy is Free
MiniBossBattle
Member
Getting Xrd for PS4. Might be a pad player until the joystick prices get cheaper or if there is a cool looking one I want.
Say what you will about PS+, and its perceived value.
But forcing a generational stick upgrade on us is unmitigated bullshit greed, and every last one of us should tell Matcatz and their ilk to go sod themselves, then cut a gash next to their ruined cornholes, and proceed to fuck themselves to death - for future justice.
There is literally zero reason for it, other than greed, the capacity to force it on us, and the will to do so.
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
Uhhh... wut
Thanks for that - I omitted an "on".
What?
Did the whole "Last gen sticks will not be compatible with current gen systems due to alleged reasons" spiel get redacted?
MiniBossBattle
Member
I thought it had to do with security pass through on the PS4/XB1 which is why I can't use my G27 steering wheel. I don't mind supporting MadCatz or Hori if they make a cool stick but its an issue of actual space to get another driving wheel. I think my wife would SRK FADC EX kick my peripherals if I got another wheel or flight stick. At least I can place a joystick in the guest room closet.
I can understand the anger but its more of a issue with the new systems, not the peripheral makers.
Would you give me $200 because "reasons"?
PR bullshit, for the most part. Check the Logitech PS4 wheel thread in gaming.
irfaanator
Banned
there is a security token issue, but I've also hear developers can code around that or something. There doesn't seem to be a concrete answer from what I've seen
lolllllllll
Ragingnight
Member
I rather play games on their best versions. If I'm going to pay for an experience, I want the best version possible within reason. I am eventually going to get a ps4 sometime in the future and a price drop is very unlikely.
The only benefit you get from waiting at this stage for awhile is 1) controller build quality gets better (which I heard the white controller did), 2) bundles
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I need a new stick. My stick doesn't work on pc anyways. I have the R2 TE and apparently every TE after the r2 works on pc.
Grand Finals from Churning the Butter (Norcal) last night (Ricky vs MMG Julio)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBfXB-sKtsA
Cool to see Ricky play Poison
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBfXB-sKtsA
Cool to see Ricky play Poison
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
Oh no I was more reacting to you going full derp
is he going to be able to do anything vs characters with high mobility?
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
Doesn't he have high mobility himself?
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
Quick someone mad lib the mewtwo post and put in ps3 sticks and madcatz instead
aerial mobility.Doesn't he have high mobility himself?
Professor Beef
Banned
so you only started playing fighting games last gen is what you're telling us
Value is inherently subjective.
OK, so let's get this started.
- The overall pace of the game feels faster. The ground game feels great, characters travel fast on their dashes and walks. Fox trotting allows a very fast way to close distances too. Moving through the air doesn't feel like you can float about on cloud nine for ten years before needing to do anything. The gravity isn't Melee/Project M but it trends closer to that side of things than to Brawl's.
- Changes to how air dodges work were MUCH appreciated. Now doing them close enough to the ground puts your character in a landing state with a recovery animation to punish wanton abuse of the mechanic. And of course, you can't use them mid hit stun to bail out in a non-committal way.
- Pivot tilts are FUN. There's going to be a lot of ground mix up once people weave forward dashes, sliding turn-arounds and pivot tilts together. (The following is a general comment on dashing sorry) No way to cancel the forward momentum early to go into neutral standing states or play footsies with crouch tilts currently though.
- Ledge game is going to be interesting. There's now a cool down mechanic on re-grabbing the ledge after an initial grab (meaning no rapid fire M2K style ledge stalling) where the player has to spend a certain amount of frames off the ledge before it allows you to grab it again. Of course after grabbing the ledge once, you don't get invincibility any time afterwards until you either get on the stage and drop back down or have to recover from being launched. You can still use the ledge stalling tactics (drop and double jump to sweet spot the ledge perfectly) for mind games though. Just remember that ledge trumping (someone else can just run off the stage, turn around and grab the ledge causing you to pop off further out in the blast areas) exists!
- Unfortunately, while shields cancel your dash, this is only after a certain number of frames into the dash meaning that you have to carefully eyeball when your character is out of their dashing frames before the shield will pop up to cancel your current action. Shields in general seem buffed in terms of what they allow one to do after them. Also as I was typing this, I found out that you can do dash - turn around (slide animation) - roll to Pivot Roll. This one looks fucking crazy.
- Dash dancing is in with two variations. The classic Melee version is ridiculous hard to do due to a combination of how small the window is to turn around and go in the opposite direction and the slide pad itself. At the same time, with the combination of pivot tilts, there might be some funky things you could do with it. The other variant involves skidding about the character's sliding turn around animation bobbing and weaving until you can put a tilt in the other person's face. It's a little slow looking but I think there might be some fun things there.
Miscellaneous:
- My God why does this game look so good? It's on a 3DS, what the fuckkkkkk.
- At the same time, using items like the Pokeballs or Assist Trophies and seeing them slide show around is REALLY jarring.
- The overall pace of the game feels faster. The ground game feels great, characters travel fast on their dashes and walks. Fox trotting allows a very fast way to close distances too. Moving through the air doesn't feel like you can float about on cloud nine for ten years before needing to do anything. The gravity isn't Melee/Project M but it trends closer to that side of things than to Brawl's.
- Changes to how air dodges work were MUCH appreciated. Now doing them close enough to the ground puts your character in a landing state with a recovery animation to punish wanton abuse of the mechanic. And of course, you can't use them mid hit stun to bail out in a non-committal way.
- Pivot tilts are FUN. There's going to be a lot of ground mix up once people weave forward dashes, sliding turn-arounds and pivot tilts together. (The following is a general comment on dashing sorry) No way to cancel the forward momentum early to go into neutral standing states or play footsies with crouch tilts currently though.
- Ledge game is going to be interesting. There's now a cool down mechanic on re-grabbing the ledge after an initial grab (meaning no rapid fire M2K style ledge stalling) where the player has to spend a certain amount of frames off the ledge before it allows you to grab it again. Of course after grabbing the ledge once, you don't get invincibility any time afterwards until you either get on the stage and drop back down or have to recover from being launched. You can still use the ledge stalling tactics (drop and double jump to sweet spot the ledge perfectly) for mind games though. Just remember that ledge trumping (someone else can just run off the stage, turn around and grab the ledge causing you to pop off further out in the blast areas) exists!
- Unfortunately, while shields cancel your dash, this is only after a certain number of frames into the dash meaning that you have to carefully eyeball when your character is out of their dashing frames before the shield will pop up to cancel your current action. Shields in general seem buffed in terms of what they allow one to do after them. Also as I was typing this, I found out that you can do dash - turn around (slide animation) - roll to Pivot Roll. This one looks fucking crazy.
- Dash dancing is in with two variations. The classic Melee version is ridiculous hard to do due to a combination of how small the window is to turn around and go in the opposite direction and the slide pad itself. At the same time, with the combination of pivot tilts, there might be some funky things you could do with it. The other variant involves skidding about the character's sliding turn around animation bobbing and weaving until you can put a tilt in the other person's face. It's a little slow looking but I think there might be some fun things there.
Miscellaneous:
- My God why does this game look so good? It's on a 3DS, what the fuckkkkkk.
- At the same time, using items like the Pokeballs or Assist Trophies and seeing them slide show around is REALLY jarring.
Master Milk
Member
There is one, but it's not in one place.
The new systems require a security chip or something that the old sticks don't have. Developers can code compatibility into their games if they want, but doing so seems to be a huge task and also wouldn't guarantee that all last gen sticks would even work, so it might not even be worth the effort.
Madcatz has new sticks that go between gens, but their old ones don't because there's nothing they can do about that.
Professor Beef
Banned
Why don't you do it yourself?
Stupid plans should be executed by those who ideate them.
Were the two in any way similar, you might have a case.
But they aren't, and you don't.
Though your post could quite easily be interpreted as being as whiney fanboyish for the PS4, as the Mewtwo mewling in that post.
You mean the last gen where I played all my fighting games on my HRAP1 Mirror Top?
This is arguable, but my point was that I do not condemn PS+ supporters, wholesale.
Forcing people to purchase new sticks or else not be able to use one on current gen consoles, is nothing to do with value, unless ethic.
This is really good stuff, thank you. Where is the best place to go to learn these movement strategies?