Neoriceisgood
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Zoe Quinn has become literally Hitler. When it's not about Zoe, it's about the conspiracy to cover up Zoe.
I'm not sure, Anita & Leigh Alexander are both pretty high on the Hitler list too.
Zoe Quinn has become literally Hitler. When it's not about Zoe, it's about the conspiracy to cover up Zoe.
Raph Koster trying to recruit developers to engage with #gamergate and:
http://imgur.com/a/LgZBN
It all breaks down, then the poster leaks this conversation and private conversation with Jimmy Wales all over.
At this point I'm just watching in perverse amusement.
really?
I feel like there's got to be something missing here, even though the "aggrieved" GG guy is allegedly the one who posted it. I don't see how anyone can read that and not think the GG guy is a total nutjob. Am I missing these accusations of rape? I swear, I read through it three times.
Raph Koster trying to recruit developers to engage with #gamergate and:
http://imgur.com/a/LgZBN
It all breaks down, then the poster leaks this conversation and private conversation with Jimmy Wales all over.
At this point I'm just watching in perverse amusement.
I feel like there's got to be something missing here, even though the "aggrieved" GG guy is allegedly the one who posted it. I don't see how anyone can read that and not think the GG guy is a total nutjob. Am I missing these accusations of rape? I swear, I read through it three times.
People think they are defending developers against SJW bullying in all this.
The developers who have engaged almost universally say they are not worried about being bullied by SJWs writing mean articles. They're much more afraid of being bullied by #gamergate.
This is the main point of disconnect that I see.
literally in the top comment thread:http://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2hwlpj/here_is_a_leak_of_jimmy_wales_talking_about/
To their credit, the top comments do agree that he went off the deep end.
Highjacking for visibility: https://archive.today/ZWPbK is an archive of /r/oppressed the subreddit /u/bubblesort (OP) created which talks about oppression and intersectionality while simultaneously purporting to be 'on the other side of SJW'
That's the extent of my sluething on this shill so far, enjoy~
I'm suspecting false flag. If this ends up making GG side looks bad, it's probably exactly the purpose.
At this point I'm just watching in perverse amusement.
I feel like there's got to be something missing here, even though the "aggrieved" GG guy is allegedly the one who posted it. I don't see how anyone can read that and not think the GG guy is a total nutjob. Am I missing these accusations of rape? I swear, I read through it three times.
Errrr, no, our justice system is not actually very effective at changing behavior.I thought that the best way to respond to any perceived slight was in a proportional way. Our justice system works that way and works pretty well.
http://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2hwlpj/here_is_a_leak_of_jimmy_wales_talking_about/
To their credit, the top comments do agree that he went off the deep end.
Oh who knows. It's such an unfocused mess sprawling its tentacles all over everywhere at various indiscriminate times.Is this what the #Gamergate hashtag is blowing up about now or is it something else?
I just don't think I've ever heard of, say, Roger Ebert, disclosing explicitly that he was friends with this actor or that one. It was, I'd say, assumed that part of his qualifications for the job was to be able to make such contacts. Financial relationships from which one stands to gain, however, should be disclosed.
One thing about the Patreon limitations that some websites are imposing: those sound like one way transactions (correct me if I'm wrong) and should probably be exempted from disclosure if the sole transaction is the journalist putting money into the developer's Patreon. My reasoning here is that it's no different from paying for a game or making an in-game purchase.
I'd be interested in clarification as to whether my understanding of the facts is right or wrong.
Oh, I hadn't much considered his actual position and probably added more weight to this than I should have. My bad.They mention that Chris Remo is friends with Danielle. Chris Remo did not make Gone Home. Being friends with someone who was contracted to do the score for a game is hardly the height of integrity violation. They've also said repeatedly on the podcast that they believe it would be inappropriate for Danielle to review Firewatch, because then there actually is a conflict of interest.
What these disclosure cries always comes down to in these cases is that people don't trust others to act like adults or have any capacity to understand that people can be can be critical in a professional way about something regardless of a certain amount of familiarity with people tangentially involved. Although given what I've seen of the average Gamergater I shouldn't be surprised that they are literally unable to understand professional interactions.
A screenshot of a reader letter for EGM issue # 157, i.e. in the late 90's. Does these comments ring any bells? Since this is over 14 years ago, it feels disheartening to see that the arguments are the same without much mainstream industry change.
I like how Leigh talks about how people misunderstand her article and he responds with "No, let ME tell YOU what your article is about!"
I like how self-proclaimed anti-SJW suddenly start to care about transgender issues when they need to attack someone.This is apparently enough to claim Zoe is a horrid ruthless transphobic doxxer.
I like how self-proclaimed anti-SJW suddenly start to care about transgender issues when they need to attack someone.
Meanwhile, they're still championing Milo.
I like how self-proclaimed anti-SJW suddenly start to care about transgender issues when they need to attack someone.
I like how self-proclaimed anti-SJW suddenly start to care about transgender issues when they need to attack someone.
Surely GamerGate realizes that South Park has already made fun of the gamer stereotype in the past? And that they'll probably turn that up to 11?
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really?
can't wait for them to try to take the middle position even though it doesn't actually exist and isn't much better than the wrong position.
Surely GamerGate realizes that South Park has already made fun of the gamer stereotype in the past? And that they'll probably turn that up to 11?
They already have Matt and Trey's death threats written up in notepad, ready to tweet at exactly 10:01 PM tomorrow.
He's not talking about an upcoming episode. He's talking about the season premiere from last week, which he's somehow interpreting as a GamerGate allegory.
Wait, really?
Dammit, and I was looking forward to an epic episode tomorrow.
But....holy shit. GamerGate didn't remotely cross my mind during that first episode. That episode was fucking incredible and one of their best episodes, but I cannot comprehend how deluded you have to be to assume that ISIS + Kickstarter + Redskins + NFL in general has anything to do with GamerGate at all.
This is my analysis on a mature cartoon show.
Cartman and his friends (vidya "journalists"/Anita) wants to make a company to earn money without doing anything. They found out that the Redskins (gamers) logo is not copyrighted so they took it and made a kickstarter company (gaming journalism/FemFreq).
They got backed by idiots and praised them for moving a couch a bit and adding a carpet (Anita's background on her kickstarter vid was red and on FemFreq, the background is blue).
The Redskins, doesn't like what Cartman is doing with their logo but the crowd loved it (Calling games evil and misogynistic while they're praised as brave and powerful women). The Cartman's company are even supported by ISIS, making the redskins look bad (Gamers = ISIS,ISIS uses GTAV to recruit)
When the Redskins tried to make Cartman change their logo, it was another fuck you for the Redskins (Insults on gamers like calling them manchildren)
So the Redskins destroyed the kickstarter's server (implying we destroy things), but Cartman saw an opportunity out of this and his own "Kickstarter" with a new logo (made a donation site directly on a paypal account)
The Redskins, realizing that they're losing, removed themselves from being called "Redskins" (/v/ who doesn't care) except for the manager (/gg/)
People wanted the manager to stay down since he's hurting. He fought until the end and people took notice.
So the people decided to tell Cartman and his friends that they're going to tell their clients to boycott the company (boycott gaming websites and tell companies who placed ads on those sites).
Cartman decided that they have to go back to school (They should learn what journalism ethics means/get an actual job)
Moral of the story
Don't give up
from an 8chan cache:
from an 8chan cache:
Amazing
http://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2hwlpj/here_is_a_leak_of_jimmy_wales_talking_about/
To their credit, the top comments do agree that he went off the deep end.
from an 8chan cache:
Amazing
Here's a serious question. I've frequently been surprised to see Gamergate framed as an issue of two "sides" rather than a movement (however decentralised, however riddled with contradiction and misconceptions) lashing out in many directions at once.
Does anybody see an opposition that is actively engaging Gamergate? If so, how can I distinguish these people from those who find the sight of an internet bullying campaign offensive?
Here's a serious question. I've frequently been surprised to see Gamergate framed as an issue of two "sides" rather than a movement (however decentralised, however riddled with contradiction and misconceptions) lashing out in many directions at once.
Does anybody see an opposition that is actively engaging Gamergate? If so, how can I distinguish these people from those who find the sight of an internet bullying campaign offensive?
http://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2hwlpj/here_is_a_leak_of_jimmy_wales_talking_about/
To their credit, the top comments do agree that he went off the deep end.
Jimbo Dubs said:I'd like to ask that this conversation be kept private, not because it is particularly secret in any way but because I need to write casually and simply than if I were writing for public consumption.
The new episode of Milo's podcast is sponsored by a company that makes dragon dildos.
I was considering listening to one of those but then I read Milo's "beta male feminists desperate for sex" column and I almost vomited...
Is it in any way not just hateful bullshit and slurs?
Thanks to Neoriceisgood and Vlade for the perspectives on opposition. Earlier I characterised Gamergate as essentially a reactionary movement. In that view, there is no single opposition; the movement is simply opposed to whatever it is that provokes anxiety in those who tend to prefer a stable status quo. I think events have conformed to that initial model. Gamergate has tended to alienate those groups it came into contact with, eventually sorting each new enemy group into the catch-all "SJW" category.
Ironically, in the early days the only enemy was a single independent game developer, and a common slogan was "Zoe Quinn against the entire internet." As the enemies list has grown, the narrative has switched to a brave though embattled selection of enlightened fighters against the multiple tentacles of the corrupt, cunning though curiously inept, worldwide SJW conspiracy. This one is going to collapse under the weight of its own absurdity.
Ditto. Pass the popcorn.
Watching Derek Smart dodge that thread alone was worth it.
Anyone catch the Girls of Gamergate the other night? Found it really good, informative and fun to listen to. These are some great peeps.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y419veD7M9w
2. Don't drop a link and say, "That's how I feel!" If you can't be bothered to put your opinions into your own words, don't post.
Fair enough. I really don't want to get into the debate and I just stink terribly when it comes to debating anything. I liked the video and agreed with most of what was said. I was even hesitant to post anything here but I'd prefer not getting banned, especially considering I have a good track record as it is of keeping out of trouble so if need be I'll just go ahead and edit my post.Especially when it's a 3-hour long video.
I'm only skimming through a few minutes, but a few highlights
-A self-identified MRA and anti-feminist who thinks "men shouldn't have to apologize for being male"
-An "egalitarian feminist" opposed to "SJWs" and "radical feminism"
-Women praising Eron and criticizing Zoe Quinn
-"I'M not bothered by how women are represented in games, so therefore it's not a problem!"
What new insights do you think are actually offered here?