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DmC Definitive Edition ($40, major rework) & Devil May Cry 4 (w/ Vergil) for XB1/PS4

Have you looked at the other thread? Nearly every post is, "LOL don't care about all the changes and additions to DmC, OMG VERGIL IN DMC4!!!"

They tried to appeal to a group of people who were never going to like their product because they find the very concept of a western reboot of the franchise as personally insulting.



Um. Literally two posts above mine:
I miss generalizations and hate this era of calling out strawman arguments. It's such a cheap copout of an interesting observation that paints a decent picture no matter how diverse overall opinions may be. You have my straw.


Is this a two-pack?
 
How do you say that?

You think this new DmC DE is actually going to outsell DMC4SE?


I'm worried that this is yet another attempt for capcom to try get the fans to like DmC and say "see we told you! this is where the direction that the future of the franchise should go!"

This game seriously gets more love than arguably any other DMC in history
 
So does this more or less give credence to the idea that DMC 5 is happening? I mean they wouldn't go and make a special edition of an 8 year old game if they don't want DMC to be in the public's mind.
 
I'm worried that this is yet another attempt for capcom to try get the fans to like DmC and say "see we told you! this is where the direction that the future of the franchise should go!"

This game seriously gets more love than arguably any other DMC in history

More love from Capcom anyways. It's like they constantly try to ignore the fans to pursue some obscure idea of what DMC should be. I mean they ignore the facts time and time again.

DmC was the lowest selling game in the series...period.
DMC4 had tighter combat and better mechanics than the newer "reboot" - never mind the story and setting elements.

Even if the new DMC4 port outsells the DmC SE - I doubt they'll take the hint.
 
More love from Capcom anyways. It's like they constantly try to ignore the fans to pursue some obscure idea of what DMC should be. I mean they ignore the facts time and time again.

DmC was the lowest selling game in the series...period
It went on to be outsold by an HD collection of the first three games...
DMC4 had tighter combat and better mechanics than the newer "reboot" - never mind the story and setting elements.

Even if the new DMC4 port outsells the DmC SE - I doubt they'll take the hint.

I've heard this before but is there any source?
 

BBboy20

Member
http://capcom.co.jp/devil4se
The official website for DMC4SE
You can make a wallpaper out of that.

Love the color splashes. Each color represents the 3 different colors used in the logo as well as the colors of the 3 characters in the game.
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So does this more or less give credence to the idea that DMC 5 is happening? I mean they wouldn't go and make a special edition of an 8 year old game if they don't want DMC to be in the public's mind.

I'm pretty sure at this point everyone just expects DMC5 to be in the works. The only time a game that old gets a port is to PC, not to the newest generation of consoles.
 

Ralemont

not me
I got a chance to play DmC while it was free on Playstation Plus and really enjoyed it. I'll definitely buy an upgraded version to support it.

As for Devil May Cry 4, I actually did not enjoy it all that much. For as much shit as DmC's story and characters are, it was still far far better than DMC4's story and characters. Let's not forget how DMC4 ruined Lady by taking an earnest, well-designed character with a backstory and making her into...that. I also disliked all the backtracking nonsense.

This opinion is brought to you by someone who isn't hardcore into character action gameplay mechanics but thought DMC3 was by far the best in the series.
 

BadAss2961

Member
I got a chance to play DmC while it was free on Playstation Plus and really enjoyed it. I'll definitely buy an upgraded version to support it.

As for Devil May Cry 4, I actually did not enjoy it all that much. For as much shit as DmC's story and characters are, it was still far far better than DMC4's story and characters. Let's not forget how DMC4 ruined Lady by taking an earnest, well-designed character with a backstory and making her into...that. I also disliked all the backtracking nonsense.

This opinion is brought to you by someone who isn't hardcore into character action gameplay mechanics but thought DMC3 was by far the best in the series.
I had no problem with DMC4's Lady. The game takes place long after DMC3, so of course she's changed. Her role was also really small anyway.
 

Clawww

Member
I hope summon swords function as a style. so instead of holding down Shoot to activate them, just have the style button summon the configurations. give it equivalent cooldown to 'charging' it I guess
 

Guess Who

Banned
I love how people think Capcom is a stubborn, petulant child and not a publicly-traded for-profit corporation.

They don't do anything deliberately to piss off fans or ignore reality, they do everything they do in the pursuit of more money. They aren't perfect, obviously. Sometimes the things they do make money and please loyal fans, sometimes the things they do make money and don't please loyal fans, sometimes the things they do don't make money but please loyal fans, sometimes the things they do lose both money and loyal fans. In this case they made a mistake and ended up in the fourth category.

As a corporation of course they want to focus on making bank, so if DmC sales are awful and it's clear that further installments can't rectify the situation, they're not going to keep trying to shove it down your throats because they aren't utter dumbasses who hate success and money. DmC sales weren't terrible, they were just "okay", and I suspect Capcom is wondering if the game's controversial image among the fanbase is to blame. My guess is this remaster is an attempt to gauge whether DmC as a game can be "fixed" in a way that pleases traditional DMC fans and boost sales up to franchise expectations, or if it's just fundamentally not what people want from DMC.
 
I love how people think Capcom is a stubborn, petulant child and not a publicly-traded for-profit corporation.

They don't do anything deliberately to piss off fans or ignore reality, they do everything they do in the pursuit of more money. They aren't perfect, obviously. Sometimes the things they do make money and please loyal fans, sometimes the things they do make money and don't please loyal fans, sometimes the things they do don't make money but please loyal fans, sometimes the things they do lose both money and loyal fans. In this case they made a mistake and ended up in the fourth category.

As a corporation of course they want to focus on making bank, so if DmC sales are awful and it's clear that further installments can't rectify the situation, they're not going to keep trying to shove it down your throats because they aren't utter dumbasses who hate success and money. DmC sales weren't terrible, they were just "okay", and I suspect Capcom is wondering if the game's controversial image among the fanbase is to blame. My guess is this remaster is an attempt to gauge whether DmC as a game can be "fixed" in a way that pleases traditional DMC fans and boost sales up to franchise expectations, or if it's just fundamentally not what people want from DMC.

Quality post, I agree

And DMC4SE is a way to prepare the world for DMC5!
 
I love how people think Capcom is a stubborn, petulant child and not a publicly-traded for-profit corporation.

They don't do anything deliberately to piss off fans or ignore reality, they do everything they do in the pursuit of more money. They aren't perfect, obviously.

I get this, but I still don't understand how they thought DmC was a good idea. The classic series had very healthy sales and DMC4 was the highest grossing one. Why flush all of that growth down for a mere chance that a reboot would do better. They had the most unreasonable expectations when that game was first announced like 6 million or something crazy. They where near Grand Theft Auto projections. With the idea of "in the pursuit of money" they where willing to bet on a huge near impossible financial gamble rather than an almost guaranteed success. This kind of attitude is why Capcom is having so much money troubles.
 

Guess Who

Banned
I get this, but I still don't understand how they thought DmC was a good idea. The classic series had very healthy sales and DMC4 was the highest grossing one. Why flush all of that growth down for a mere chance that a reboot would do better. They had the most unreasonable expectations when that game was first announced like 6 million or something crazy. They where near Grand Theft Auto projections. With the idea of "in the pursuit of money" they where willing to bet on a huge near impossible financial gamble rather than an almost guaranteed success. This kind of attitude is why Capcom is having so much money troubles.

My suspicion is that the call was made by Keiji Inafune - who you might recall was global head of production at Capcom at the time DmC was announced. He believed very strongly that western studios had some quality Japanese studios didn't and wanted to expand partnership with studios abroad, plus the internal DMC team was working on Dragon's Dogma at the time.
 
I think most hardcore fans of the franchise would be okay with DmC2 existing so long as we know the original series still has a strong pulse.

Yeah I can see that. I consider myself a hardcore Devil May Cry fan and completely agree. I'm hoping DMC4:SE hints at the possibility of a DMC5. When it comes to a DmC2, I just want to see where they go with it.
 
I wonder if there IS a possibility of both series continuing on their own track, with Capcom taking care of DMC5 and on and Ninja Theory doing DmC2 and on.
 

Lernaean

Banned
My suspicion is that the call was made by Keiji Inafune - who you might recall was global head of production at Capcom at the time DmC was announced.

Idk if you are right or wrong, but i believe the same.
I just hope the higher ups at Capcom have some sense in them still and they understand that fixing DmC is a great idea, but the vast majority of the fanbase wants an in-house DMC.
 
I wonder what else DMC4:SE will have besides playable Virgil. Trophies for the PS4 version since the PS3 version never had any probably. Besides that, I dunno.
 

Dahbomb

Member
Turbo mode and LDK mode are pretty much a lock. I think we might get a few costumes as well. Some of the new modes in DmC DE will make it in too. Some tweaking on the mechanics (stuff like Distortion/Full Steam would get nerfed but not much else really).

Beyond that it's a crap shoot. I have my speculation on it but it's hard to say. For $40 they have to deliver a lot considering that DMC4 doesn't need as many changes as DmC (it already has hard lock on, hardcore mode, 60FPS etc).
 

Veelk

Banned
I uh....I hate to be the negative ned here, but I'm really surprised at how positive a reaction this announcement is getting.

I mean, let me be clear: these are good things, relative to getting nothing at all. We finally get Vergil back after all these years, and DmC gets an overhaul. But can we all atleast admit that we deserve more?

A character is released into a game that is like 6 years old at this point, and given the game's near state of perfection, I highly doubt that they are going to change much else. Maybe they are, but I really can't imagine why they wouldn't announce what changes they'd be implementing into DMC4 if they were doing that. So my assumption is that the only change they are adding is Vergil and maybe some new gameplay modes like LDK mode from PC and Turbo. That is not worth $40 dollars, which is the likely price they'd charge for it. I fucking love vergil, but even $20 in a 6 year old game would be pushing it. Hopefully I'm mistaken here, and they're actually going to announce Vergil getting his own story mode of 10 chapters, plus filling out Dante's section with actual new environments, and reworking Sanctus so that he doesn't suck a chode and maybe even rewriting the present DMC4 storyline out of existance due to it's suckage. That'd be worth $40, hell that'd be worth $60 if need be. I'd pay for that, but I doubt I'm getting it.

As for DmC.....look, it's not that I want to disparage the improvements people made, but....honestly, who cares? Who in the hardcore community hasn't been soured on this game at this point? I feel there are 2 general reactions. Hardcores either got fed up with the poor quality of DmC and went back to playing DMC4 and Bayonetta and the rest, or they stuck with it, got the PC version, and implemented various mods that seem to have made it into this Definitive version they got going on here. It just seems like anyone who cared enough to have these sorts of features already got them through mods messing with the game.

So...Look, I'm not saying these things are bad. But they are table scraps. Vergil in DMC4? We should be getting DMC5. We should have gotten DMC5 4 years ago. Vergil could have been a part of that game instead. And I want to be kinder to DmC, given how it is routinely ravaged by the internet...but I would have preferred to see DmC2 with these features. I don't need to play DmC again, because like Dahbomb said somewhere here, this is what we should have gotten in the first place, and I'm just not interested in revisiting that altogether poor beginning of DMC's reboot. I'd be far more interested in seeing how they improve on everything going forward, not going back and trying to rewrite past mistakes.

I know that it's either support these franchises, or never see DMC again....but I'm just very sick of Capcom treating it's fans like such shit. We are willing to go above and beyond the call of duty, moreso than other fanbases, but Capcom is just never gives us anything to work with.
 
DmC had good combat and was a fun game to play through. That's what matters. I may end up picking this re-release up to play it again, but I'm not 100%. Depends on price drops, and other releases.

I've yet to play 4, though I played the other 3 and liked them. 2 not so much, but it was still relatively enjoyable.
 

JayEH

Junior Member
Not a fan of DmC: Devil May Cry but I'll give it another chance when this comes out. Super glad Capcom is pricing this at 40 bucks, some certain companies cough cough Square, could learn from this.

Side rant: how the hell is Square charging $50 for FFX and $60 for a PSP port FFXV demo?
 
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