Can you explain that logic more please? I honestly don't understand. In my mother/gf's best friend comparison the person wouldn't do it because it just wouldn't be right no matter how you try to justify it. If the person did it, it would show heavy lack of empathy and care for the people in question.This comparison only works if the only reason they would never pursue that relationship is because it was illegal.
That seems like a strange logical leap to take.If they don't want help, we have to assume that they don't see anything wrong with their desires as long as they don't cross that legal line, and that's absurd.
Might well be, but I think that still requires some sort of twisted mind to not realize how wrong you are when you think like that. Though of course, a person can grow up with a very twisted way of thinking sometimes due to multiple factors.I don't know if this has been talked about in here, but the whole act of "grooming", where pedophiles begin to feel like the child wants it, is probably a big factor in how they act. I know the whole "grooming" issue was big after the Jerry Sandusky thing. It's like the potential offender sets it up to where it goes from them offending, to the child being the offender because they "wanted it." That's probably the breaking point for them, in regards to controlling it.
Probably very true. If that estimated 1% of men is anywhere close to truth, there are a lot of them out there, and we obviously don't hear about the vast majority of them. Of course, there are a lot of cases of child abuse we don't know of, but even so I think it's quite safe to say majority of the people with these desires never do anything about it, and probably never could even imagine doing it in reality.I'm willing to bet, however, that there are more people out there than we realize that get a rise out of younger generations. I just think for some people, it's much easier to not pay attention to said "attractive" quality.
I feel sympathy for pedophiles who have not abused children. Having to constantly resist your sexual urges must be torture. I hope they can get help.
I think, for so many people, the idea of being sexually attracted to children is foreign to them, and that's why it's so difficult to empathize.
I don't know, an awful lot of gaffers are extremely creepy.
If some of the solutions in here were put forward, you'd have a hard time finding Pedophile before they actually did something.
This hints at another problem with this topic: anyone who shows even a modicum of empathy for pedophiles can be branded.
Why is he defending them? Maybe he's secretly a pedophile too! The topic is so emotionally loaded for some people that we can't have a rational discussion without the assumption of nefarious ulterior motives.
What about when we can identify what makes people pedo's to the point we can screen unborn kids?If some of the solutions in here were put forward, you'd have a hard time finding Pedophile before they actually did something.
Again, pedophilia is a sexual attraction to prepubescent children under 13. That means none of the development associated with puberty.
What about when we can identify what makes people pedo's to the point we can screen unborn kids?
What if you found out your unborn child would be a paedophile?
This hints at putting words into my mouth.I wasn't talking about people expressing sympathy/empathy towards paedophiles, especially those that haven't acted upon their desires. Help should definitely be at hand for them.
What about when we can identify what makes people pedo's to the point we can screen unborn kids?
What if you found out your unborn child would be a paedophile?
This post is so cold I had to put on a jacket. God damn dude.Like has been said at the beginning this is a difficult topic to discuss with the emotions attached to it.
I honestly feel like when a person is born like this, through no fault of their own, that's where I draw the line personally.
I fully understand no one would want to be like that, and the difference between empathy and condoning.
My opinion on paedophiles is a harsh one. I think there's no helping these people. No amount of therapy can guarantee they would never act on their urges. Like anyone in recovery or any similar situation where someones fighting their urges. No one's perfect and people will slip up and make mistakes.
The fallout of this is destroying an innocent child's life just because some genetic anomaly makes these people this way. It's an evil sick condition and taking the risk of hoping they won't isn't good enough.
I draw the line at paedophiles when it comes to people who should and can be helped. That's when a person should be wrote off entirely. That they are capable or have any likelihood of harming a child is enough for me to never feel empathy for them.
They can't be fixed like homosexuality cannot be "fixed". Difference is homosexuality doesn't need to be fixed. Pedo's should be incarcerated, why give them freedom just because they may not molest a child?
They have no place in society. So no idiot see how anyone could feel empathy for these "people".
This post is so cold I had to put on a jacket. God damn dude.
This issue is quite simple. If you are anti-child molestation then you must support creating a more welcoming, empathetic society so pedophiles can feel safe coming forward with their condition before they hurt someone. How to help them is a debate of its own but if you don't think we should even be talking to them then you are supporting ideas that will only lead to more abuse of children.
Kids have feelings, thoughts and opinions like everyone else and if an adult has sex with them that doesn't involve any violence or mental abuse their feelings about the experience might be neutral or even positive in some cases.
They should understand that it's not ok for adults to have sex with kids but if they don't actually feel like a victim then I don't see how it benefits them to be convinced that they are one. Something that society is so eager to do
oh yes, that thread, where people were backpatting a pedophile who really saw nothing wrong with his attraction to kids, thought people were too protective of a child's ability to give consent, and his massive collection of '2d drawn stuff only i promise' child porn.Hell, they might even like it - isn't that right?
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=46518354&postcount=372
Hell, they might even like it - isn't that right?
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=46518354&postcount=372
Suicide and Chemical Castration.
Right.....
You know, you don't have to pretend to be an actual Nazi to make sure no one thinks your a pedo guys. The tough guy bullshit is really not necessary. Calm down.
Have there been many studies on pedophiles? Are most of them only attracted to children, or is it more of a kink?
well the problem is you have both boy-love 'don't want to hurt kids' types and westley allan dodd/ian watkins types, and given that the target of attraction is vulnerable by default, it's not something you can look at like hetero/homosexuality.Have there been many studies on pedophiles? Are most of them only attracted to children, or is it more of a kink?
and yet society has basically extended that definition to paint anyone with any attraction to someone under the legal age of consent as a pedo. The term itself has almost lost any meaning.
Girls are developing physically much earlier than they used to, so I don't think it unreasonable for a relatively large number of men to find under 18s physically and even sexually attractive. Purely from a physical appearance point of view. Yet to actually voice such an opinion would have you labelled a pedophile.
well the problem is you have both boy-love 'don't want to hurt kids' types and westley allan dodd/ian watkins types, and given that the target of attraction is vulnerable by default, it's not something you can look at like hetero/homosexuality.
Have there been many studies on pedophiles? Are most of them only attracted to children, or is it more of a kink?
There is very little research because of the mandated reporting laws and fear of broaching the subject by having to deal directly with those kind of people, hence the willing for support networks to exist so that more can be understood. It's kind of broken down into either exclusive minor attraction or not where a pedophile can still be attracted to an age-appropriate adult. Without enough research, still don't know the ratio between those two camps.Have there been many studies on pedophiles? Are most of them only attracted to children, or is it more of a kink?
Are you actually serious?
Suicide and Chemical Castration.
Right.....
You know, you don't have to pretend to be an actual Nazi to make sure no one thinks your a pedo guys. The tough guy bullshit is really not necessary. Calm down.
I'd be happy to help out myself and would sleep like a baby afterwards.
There's no joking or insincerity in my post at all. If they were willing and it was legal, I'd thank them and go ahead with it.
You scare me far more than pedophelia ever could.
Please do not address sexuality with euthanasia.
How is pedophilia a sexuality? If I'm not mistaken, sexuality refers to what gender you're attracted to, not their age.
You wouldn't call being into men/women in their 40's it's own sexuality, would you?
There's no way to get consent from an animal, and even if you could there's no way for the animal to confirm it at a later time. We really have to err on the side of a blanket no with animals too.Difference being with pedophilia compared to another sexuality (if it is one) is that they can't have relations with a child because they cannot consent at all. And what about bestiality? Where does that lie?
Sexuality is a person's sexual nature. So being into people in their 40's would be part of someone's sexuality.
I'm guessing you're thinking about sexual orientation.
While I agree a discussion about how to move forward needs to happen, the while subject is just too laced with emotion for a lot of people and they simply aren't able to discuss this in a rational manner.
Politicians won't dare try to start a debate out of fear of losing their seat or papers labelling them as Paedo sympathizers, so we're essentially stuck.
OK got ya. But at the same time, while I'm not asking for castration and suicide, I'm not going to lie and act I have any sort of sympathy towards pedophiles. Active or not.
well we are talking about people who want to have sex with children and toddlers. the idea is fairly repulsive and revolting.Your milder outlook is appreciated.
It really does worry me how violence and death is so often the response to the sexual crime against humanity© of the day.
Your milder outlook is appreciated.
It really does worry me how violence and death is so often the response to the sexual crime against humanity© of the day.
The only issue is for kids between 18 and, say, 21, where they can still have an attraction to girls under the age of consent, but that is not really the same thing as ephebophilia.
well we are talking about people who want to have sex with children and toddlers. the idea is fairly repulsive and revolting.
What is it about this forum being right about how awful rape truly is, but then turns around to feel bad for the poor pedophiles?
I'd be happy to help out myself and would sleep like a baby afterwards.
There's no joking or insincerity in my post at all. If they were willing and it was legal, I'd thank them and go ahead with it.
I'd be happy to help out myself and would sleep like a baby afterwards.
There's no joking or insincerity in my post at all. If they were willing and it was legal, I'd thank them and go ahead with it.
I don't quite follow this logic. Does attraction suddenly change when you reach the age of 22? It seems to me that it just becomes more socially unacceptable rather than your attraction suddenly changes because the person is below the age of consent. The age of consent is an arbitrary thing. It is simply a line society has drawn to an age where they consider humans are responsible enough to make that decision. In Victorian times the age of consent was 13 in the UK for instance. Obviously the age of consent is not entirely a biological matter considering a child's hormones are all over the place when they reach their teenage years.
Now I am not condoning that adults look for relationships with children or young adults still in their adolescence, I think there are good reasons why that line exists. The kids may not be quite emotionally mature enough, or naive to the world around them, which makes them vulnerable. There is also the question of education and how the prospect of becoming pregnant at such an early age would have an effect on that. However, when we are talking about an age group of 15-19 we are talking of young adults or potentially reaching young adulthood. In terms of physical attraction, I don't think the human mind works like that. In terms of physical attraction it works more in terms how sexually developed their bodies are.
I see a distinction between an adult sexually abusing a child of the age of 8 for instance, and an adult having consensual sex with a person of the age of 15. In one sense the former is a pathological condition, where as the latter is not. It is not because of the reason I have given. The human mind doesn't really think in terms of arbitrary consent laws, it thinks in terms of sexual development of the individual. I don't think it helps conflating the two things as being the same.
My respects to him then.It's people like you, and society, that drove one of my oldest friends into suicide. He was a good and charitable man, would never hurt a fly. He even had a romantic relationship with a petite woman his age (23) that was very supportive of his issue and they planned to get married. He killed himself because of fear, the fear of society and the fear of harming his own kids. He went to every damn therapist in the state of Massachusetts as he could and most of them just called the police even though he was looking for help.
It's people like you, and society, that drove one of my oldest friends into suicide. He was a good and charitable man, would never hurt a fly. He even had a romantic relationship with a petite woman his age (23) that was very supportive of his issue and they planned to get married. He killed himself because of fear, the fear of society and the fear of harming his own kids. He went to every damn therapist in the state of Massachusetts as he could and most of them just called the police even though he was looking for help.
You people disgust me. These people are living in fear, many would never harm a child in their life, and many of them want help, real help. I am a victim of child molestation, I still have PTSD over it, but even I can sympathize with pedophiles who do their hardest to be functional member of society while society decided to hold a knife around their neck and will cut it at the slightest mention of their issue.
My respects to him then.
It's people like you, and society, that drove one of my oldest friends into suicide. He was a good and charitable man, would never hurt a fly. He even had a romantic relationship with a petite woman his age (23) that was very supportive of his issue and they planned to get married. He killed himself because of fear, the fear of society and the fear of harming his own kids. He went to every damn therapist in the state of Massachusetts as he could and most of them just called the police even though he was looking for help.
You people disgust me. These people are living in fear, many would never harm a child in their life, and many of them want help, real help. I am a victim of child molestation, I still have PTSD over it, but even I can sympathize with pedophiles who do their hardest to be functional member of society while society decided to hold a knife around their neck and will cut it at the slightest mention of their issue.
My respects to him then.
My respects to him then.
Logic is quite simple, adults should only have sex with other -consenting- adults.
Period.
There's a fringe case where a couple of minors who have had sex will run into trouble once the older one becomes an adult and that's why I mentioned the 18-21 thing, which is not even a hard rule. The older person should not suddenly become a rapist. But this exception in no case should be used to justify adults having sex with minors, outside of this case.