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Sony Q3 FY15 Results - Beats Market Expectations & 6.4 Million Shipped PS4's

Portugeezer

Member
Cerny and Kutaragi really should be switched around in that gif.

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Nintendo Wii:

Launch (December 2006) - 3.19 million LTD shipped
3 months (March 2007) - 5.84 million LTD shipped
6 months (June 2007) - 9.27 million LTD shipped
9 months (September 2007) - 13.17 million LTD shipped
12 months (December 2007) - 20.14 million LTD shipped


Sony PS4:

Launch (December 2013) - 4.5 million LTD shipped
3 months (March 2014) - 7.5 million LTD shipped
6 months (June 2014) - 10.2 million LTD shipped
9 months (September 2014) - 13.5 million LTD shipped
12 months (December 2014) - 19.9 million LTD shipped


Discrepancy:

Launch (first Holiday) - PS4 is 1.31 million higher than Wii
3 months (first March) - PS4 is 1.66 million higher than Wii
6 months (first June) - PS4 is 0.93 million higher than Wii
9 months (first September) - PS4 is 0.33 million higher than Wii
12 months (second Holiday) - Wii is 0.24 million higher than PS4



It's fascinating how only now the Wii has overtaken the PS4 for the first time in terms of quarterly shipments.

I expect the discrepancy to grow in future quarters. After all, the Wii was an absolute beast in its early years (2006-2009). The question is...how far will PS4 lag behind it?


Wii shipments in future quarters:

15 months (March 2008) - 24.45 million LTD shipped
18 months (June 2008) - 29.62 million LTD shipped
21 months (September 2008) - 34.55 million LTD shipped
24 months (December 2008) - 44.96 million LTD shipped

27 months (March 2009) - 50.39 million LTD shipped
30 months (June 2009) - 52.62 million LTD shipped
33 months (September 2009) - 56.14 million LTD shipped
36 months (December 2009) - 67.45 million LTD shipped

It will be quite difficult for PS4 to match that extraordinary pace.
 

Wabba

Member
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Nintendo Wii:

Launch (December 2006) - 3.19 million LTD shipped
3 months (March 2007) - 5.84 million LTD shipped
6 months (June 2007) - 9.27 million LTD shipped
9 months (September 2007) - 13.17 million LTD shipped
12 months (December 2007) - 20.14 million LTD shipped


Sony PS4:

Launch (December 2013) - 4.5 million LTD shipped
3 months (March 2014) - 7.5 million LTD shipped
6 months (June 2014) - 10.2 million LTD shipped
9 months (September 2014) - 13.5 million LTD shipped
12 months (December 2014) - 19.9 million LTD shipped



Discrepancy:


Launch (first Holiday) - PS4 is 1.31 million higher than Wii
3 months (first March) - PS4 is 1.66 million higher than Wii
6 months (first June) - PS4 is 0.93 million higher than Wii
9 months (first September) - PS4 is 0.33 million higher than Wii
12 months (second Holiday) - Wii is 0.24 million higher than PS4



It's fascinating how only now the Wii has overtaken the PS4 for the first time in terms of quarterly shipments.

I expect the discrepancy to grow in future quarters. After all, the Wii was an absolute beast in its early years (2006-2009). The question is...how far will PS4 lag behind it?


In future quarters:

15 months (March 2008) - 24.45 million LTD shipped
18 months (June 2008) - 29.62 million LTD shipped
21 months (September 2008) - 34.55 million LTD shipped
24 months (December 2008) - 44.96 million LTD shipped
27 months (March 2009) - 50.39 million LTD shipped
30 months (June 2009) - 52.62 million LTD shipped
33 months (September 2009) - 56.14 million LTD shipped
36 months (December 2009) - 67.45 million LTD shipped

It will be quite difficult for PS4 to match that extraordinary pace.

Great numbers that you provide. Its impossible for PS4 to have the same growth as Wii, but in the end i am pretty sure that PS4 going to sell more consoles then the Wii did.
 

Steel

Banned
I expect the discrepancy to grow in future quarters. After all, the Wii was an absolute beast in its early years (2006-2009). The question is...how far will PS4 lag behind it?

The wii was also significantly cheaper than the PS4 is now. I expect the streams to cross back and forth a few times should the Ps4 get a price cut. Or a popular game worth the upgrade.
 

Alo0oy

Banned
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Nintendo Wii:

Launch (December 2006) - 3.19 million LTD shipped
3 months (March 2007) - 5.84 million LTD shipped
6 months (June 2007) - 9.27 million LTD shipped
9 months (September 2007) - 13.17 million LTD shipped
12 months (December 2007) - 20.14 million LTD shipped


Sony PS4:

Launch (December 2013) - 4.5 million LTD shipped
3 months (March 2014) - 7.5 million LTD shipped
6 months (June 2014) - 10.2 million LTD shipped
9 months (September 2014) - 13.5 million LTD shipped
12 months (December 2014) - 19.9 million LTD shipped



Discrepancy:


Launch (first Holiday) - PS4 is 1.31 million higher than Wii
3 months (first March) - PS4 is 1.66 million higher than Wii
6 months (first June) - PS4 is 0.93 million higher than Wii
9 months (first September) - PS4 is 0.33 million higher than Wii
12 months (second Holiday) - Wii is 0.24 million higher than PS4



It's fascinating how only now the Wii has overtaken the PS4 for the first time in terms of quarterly shipments.

I expect the discrepancy to grow in future quarters. After all, the Wii was an absolute beast in its early years (2006-2009). The question is...how far will PS4 lag behind it?


Wii shipments in future quarters:

15 months (March 2008) - 24.45 million LTD shipped
18 months (June 2008) - 29.62 million LTD shipped
21 months (September 2008) - 34.55 million LTD shipped
24 months (December 2008) - 44.96 million LTD shipped

27 months (March 2009) - 50.39 million LTD shipped
30 months (June 2009) - 52.62 million LTD shipped
33 months (September 2009) - 56.14 million LTD shipped
36 months (December 2009) - 67.45 million LTD shipped

It will be quite difficult for PS4 to match that extraordinary pace.

I don't think the PS4 will start surpassing the Wii until its 7th year, its gonna continue lagging behind it for the time being, but it will have much better legs, I think PS4 will peak in 2016-2017, stay consistent for a while, & then start to slowly drop in 2019, PS5 will probably launch in 2020.
 

Mrbob

Member
Isn't Sony predicting roughly 15 million shipped PS4s for the next year? Of course their original forecast for last year was lower than the total ended up being. I'm going to guess PS4 ships around 16 to 18 million this year. For me the shipped number depends on how aggressive they get for holiday 2015 pricing. So that would put it around 7 to 9 million behind Wii for the 24 month period. No way the PS4 keeps up for the 36 month period, but I expect it to sell way better after that 36 month period where Wii fell off a cliff. Wii LTD hasn't even matched the original Playstation, so the PS4 should be able to surpass it long term.
 

BadWolf

Member
The wii was also significantly cheaper than the PS4 is now. I expect the streams to cross back and forth a few times should the Ps4 get a price cut. Or a popular game worth the upgrade.

Yeah and it's also doing it without the backing of a new casual audience.

Very impressive.
 

Elios83

Member
The results prove that Sony is more and more about Playstation and entertainment (movies, music) and going on the investements will go into these businesses. Image sensors and financial services are an other bright spot for them.

They are moving away from consumer electronics. Getting rid of the Vaio business was a good decision, and now that they have shrinked and repositioned their TV business focusing on profitable high end 4K sets they're finally doing money even there after a decade of losses in that division.

About the mobile business, 3 years ago they wanted it to be a big pillar but they realized that the strong competition both at the high end with Apple and Samsung and low end with the new chinese manufacturers is too much for them, while they achieved good success in Japan and Europe they were totally unable to compete in the US, so they're basically shrinking the business and adopting the same approach used for TVs (profitable high end niche) hence the huge impairment charge (1.7b$) they took in September. It has hurt the results for the current fiscal year but it's the best thing for the future.

About Playstation 4, I expected total shipments to be around 20m units, so I'm not surprised by the strong numbers...looking at the numbers they did with PS3 during the holiday quarters and the total sold-through announcement it was clear they would hit those kind of numbers.
It will be interesting to see their strategy for 2015 (from April on). They had a terrific first year and achieving growth after such success is a major task, imo they'll try to make deals for the first half of the year including games like they're already doing right now, then there will be an official price cut announced at Gamescom (or E3 at the earliest). How much I don't know, 50$ off is obviously the minimum to expect, but I wouldn't be surprised if they went aggressive with a 100$ price cut considering what they did with the PS2 and the fact they're following the same business model with PS4, they have a lot of software to sell this year and lucrative subscription sales like PS+ depend a lot on new hardware sales.
I don't know what they're going to do about PS3 and Vita. PS3 would do much better with a price cut, it should be 150$ at this point. With Vita I don't know if it makes a lot of sense to cut the price considering it's not a successful product with a healthy software sales ecosystem, in this condition it might be better to just grab the profit on the hardware.
 

Alo0oy

Banned
Yeah and it's also doing it without the backing of a new casual audience.

Very impressive.

What makes you sure that there is no backing from the mythical "casual audience"?

Casual Audience =/= motion controls audience, Sony already confirmed a while ago that only half the people that bought the PS4 owned a PS3, while the other half consisted of 360 owners, Wii owners, or first time console owners.

About Playstation 4, I expected total shipments to be around 20m units, so I'm not surprised by the strong numbers...looking at the numbers they did with PS3 during the holiday quarters and the total sold-through announcement it was clear they would hit those kind of numbers.
It will be interesting to see their strategy for 2015 (from April on). They had a terrific first year and achieving growth after such success is a major task, imo they'll try to make deals for the first half of the year including games like they're already doing right now, then there will be an official price cut announced at Gamescom (or E3 at the earliest). How much I don't know, 50$ off is obviously the minimum to expect, but I wouldn't be surprised if they went aggressive with a 100$ price cut considering what they did with the PS2 and the fact they're following the same business model with PS4, they have a lot of software to sell this year and lucrative subscription sales like PS+ depend a lot on new hardware sales.

I expect the Uncharted 4 bundle will be announced at Gamescom with an official pricedrop, they can hit two birds with one stone, let Uncharted sell PS4s, while let cheaper PS4s sell more Uncharted.
 

BadWolf

Member
What makes you sure that there is no backing from the mythical "casual audience"?

Casual Audience =/= motion controls audience, Sony already confirmed a while ago that only half the people that bought the PS4 owned a PS3, while the other half consisted of 360 owners, Wii owners, or first time console owners.

Pretty sure it's generally accepted that that audience has, for the most part, moved on to mobile.
 

TheHater

Member
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Nintendo Wii:

Launch (December 2006) - 3.19 million LTD shipped
3 months (March 2007) - 5.84 million LTD shipped
6 months (June 2007) - 9.27 million LTD shipped
9 months (September 2007) - 13.17 million LTD shipped
12 months (December 2007) - 20.14 million LTD shipped


Sony PS4:

Launch (December 2013) - 4.5 million LTD shipped
3 months (March 2014) - 7.5 million LTD shipped
6 months (June 2014) - 10.2 million LTD shipped
9 months (September 2014) - 13.5 million LTD shipped
12 months (December 2014) - 19.9 million LTD shipped


Discrepancy:

Launch (first Holiday) - PS4 is 1.31 million higher than Wii
3 months (first March) - PS4 is 1.66 million higher than Wii
6 months (first June) - PS4 is 0.93 million higher than Wii
9 months (first September) - PS4 is 0.33 million higher than Wii
12 months (second Holiday) - Wii is 0.24 million higher than PS4



It's fascinating how only now the Wii has overtaken the PS4 for the first time in terms of quarterly shipments.

I expect the discrepancy to grow in future quarters. After all, the Wii was an absolute beast in its early years (2006-2009). The question is...how far will PS4 lag behind it?


Wii shipments in future quarters:

15 months (March 2008) - 24.45 million LTD shipped
18 months (June 2008) - 29.62 million LTD shipped
21 months (September 2008) - 34.55 million LTD shipped
24 months (December 2008) - 44.96 million LTD shipped

27 months (March 2009) - 50.39 million LTD shipped
30 months (June 2009) - 52.62 million LTD shipped
33 months (September 2009) - 56.14 million LTD shipped
36 months (December 2009) - 67.45 million LTD shipped

It will be quite difficult for PS4 to match that extraordinary pace.

Interesting consider the casual market and the price point for the Wii.
 

Alo0oy

Banned
Pretty sure it's generally accepted that that audience mostly moved on to mobile.

There is no evidence that they play *only* on mobile, Its just speculation.

Meanwhile, we got this official confirmation from Sony:

Some 31% of people who have bought a PlayStation 4 had an Xbox 360 or Wii but not a PS3 in the last hardware generation, PlayStation's American VP of marketing John Koller told me in an interview here at L.A. this week.

Koller was citing results of a research study that he said also indicated that as much as 17% of people who have bought a PS4 didn't own a console in the previous generation.

"One thing that's interesting, though, is that we're starting to see a lot more of what we thought were going to be adopters later down the cycle coming in really early." Koller described that crowd as "indulgers, people that are traditionally a little bit more price-sensitive or down the funnel that have kind of bucked the trend as it were.'"

http://kotaku.com/sony-nearly-a-third-of-ps4-owners-only-had-a-wii-or-xb-1589874564
 
I hope this makes Sony deliver a powerful PS5.
Why would it? They're seeing the benefit of releasing competent tech at a reasonable price rather than selling a high-end machine at a huge loss. If anything, this will ensure they do the same thing next time around.
 

Elandyll

Banned
I hope this makes Sony deliver a powerful PS5.

For mass market products, the result will always have to be a compromise between specs and price.
They just happen to have hit a nearly perfect balance with the PS4 imo.

Just don't expect the PS5 to be a juggernaut either, as it will have to be priced at $399 maximum.
 

BadWolf

Member
There is no evidence that they play *only* on mobile, Its just speculation.

Not sure what your point is?

Like I mentioned, generally speaking. In that respect it's pretty obvious that the PS4 is a success mostly thanks to the core audience so far and most of it's offerings are aimed at that. The Wii on the other hand was following a rather different path in that regard.
 

Lynn616

Member
Contrary to expectations, looking at this numbers I believe 360 is outselling PS3 worldwide and consolidating 2nd place for 7th generation.

If not, Xbox One is doing better than people estimate here.

Been hearing for years that the PS3 would outsell the 360 because outside the US/UK no one will buy the 360. Doesnt seem to be happening.

Yeah.

XBO until Mar. 2014: 5.1 million.
XBO+360 from Apr. to Dec: 2014: 10.1 million

PS3 from Apr. to Dec: 2014: 2.7 million.

If 360 = PS3, XBO = 12.5 million.
If 360 < PS3, XBO > 12.5 million.

Thus, I put the max in my chart at 13 million.

12.5 Million shipped is a good number for the X1 more than most would have thought.
 

Elios83

Member
I hope this makes Sony deliver a powerful PS5.

Consindering the PS4 success is based on selling a good compromise of hardware power and reasonably low price, this will make Sony take the same approach again not change it :D
They went all out with the PS3 and they struggled a lot, people don't care about hardware power in a console if the product isn't affordable enough.
 

GoaThief

Member
Hope the mobile division can be turned around, their Xperia series is sublime.

Z2 (soon to be Z3) is the best android phone I've had since the HTC Desire HD. Minimal bloatware, great performance and fair price.
 

Arttemis

Member
I'd rather they just fixed it.

You know, less frequent releases (hello Z2 to Z3 jump), focus only on mid- and high-end phones, release them on time and properly on all markets...

They not only have problems merely releasing their phones, but there's absolutely no brand awareness, no availability in the cdma space, no carrier promotion, no anything.

Their phones are the slickest things out there, and if they could actually push them into the public's eye, they could be making Playstation 4 levels of success. Instead, they're treading water and tweaking their failed strategy instead of overhauling their gameplan on the mobile front.
 

ethomaz

Banned
It's fascinating how only now the Wii has overtaken the PS4 for the first time in terms of quarterly shipments.
It is the opposite for me... it is fascinating how PS4 is holding compared with Wii... Wii was a beast and PS4 is really tracking close to it.

The gap can grow in next quarters but... it is fascinating.
 

Elandyll

Banned
Been hearing for years that the PS3 would outsell the 360 because outside the US/UK no one will buy the 360. Doesnt seem to be happening.



12.5 Million shipped is a good number for the X1 more than most would have thought.

12.5m is still far from being a fact.

Given that the 360 is likely outselling the PS3 on a yearly basis at this point in time (thanks to a continued strong showing of the US and UK, particularly during holidays), 11.5m is still imo the most likely shipped possibility LTD, with 12.5 as a max.
 

Alo0oy

Banned
Been hearing for years that the PS3 would outsell the 360 because outside the US/UK no one will buy the 360. Doesnt seem to be happening.

It already happened like a year & a half ago, PS3 also shipped more than X360s (sometimes significantly) in at least three of the last four quarters, it also possibly shipped as much as Xbones in Q1, we don't know which console shipped more last quarter because MS only gave out combined shipments.

EDIT: In Fact, PS3 consistently shipped more than X360 launch aligned since it launched.
 

Faustek

Member
I'd rather they just fixed it.

You know, less frequent releases (hello Z2 to Z3 jump), focus only on mid- and high-end phones, release them on time and properly on all markets...

As I get it it's rather hard to do so in the US if you don't have a prior engagement with one of the big ones. Can't say I know but from domestic analysts they are the greatest obstacles for Sony in the states and the market is rather volatile. Should be noted that even though they are rather respected analysts can often be totally wrong but it's still the only information I can navigate after if I don't want to go purely on hearsay.
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Anyway, I chrunched the Vita numbers last time. Anyone else mind doing the favour this time? Work is way to hectic atm so I only have time for a quick visit.

PS. Being forced to let people go fucking sucks, especially when they do a good job :(
 

Elios83

Member
It is the opposite for me... it is fascinating how PS4 is holding compared with Wii... Wii was a beast and PS4 is really tracking close to it.

The gap can grow in next quarters but... it is fascinating.

Fact is that Wii went in true beast mode in its second and third year (then the fad among casuals went away and there was the inevitable rapid decline).
PS4 won't be able to match Wii best years, unless Sony really goes aggressive.
Still PS4 is very likely to sell more than Wii LTD when it's all done.
 
Man the PS4 is a beast. Keeping up with the Wii at a more expensive price. And it's not selling much in Japan either but maybe that'll change soon. Anyway congrats to Sony!
 
Ok guys I need some kind of explanation, what in the world is happening with the Mobile Communications department: they have a 14% increase on sales but they are like 8 times more in negative than last year Q3, What in the world did SONY do to increase in ten fold the losses. The same thing is happening with PICTURES, ALL OTHER and CORPORATE & ELIMINATION.

Man I need a Management Summary to explain the variations LOL.
 
Yeah.

XBO until Mar. 2014: 5.1 million.
XBO+360 from Apr. to Dec: 2014: 10.1 million

PS3 from Apr. to Dec: 2014: 2.7 million.

If 360 = PS3, XBO = 12.5 million.
If 360 < PS3, XBO > 12.5 million.

Thus, I put the max in my chart at 13 million.

Is 360 > PS3 outside the realm of possibility?
 

Elandyll

Banned
As I get it it's rather hard to do so in the US if you don't have a prior engagement with one of the big ones. Can't say I know but from domestic analysts they are the greatest obstacles for Sony in the states and the market is rather volatile. Should be noted that even though they are rather respected analysts can often be totally wrong but it's still the only information I can navigate after if I don't want to go purely on hearsay.
___________________________________________________________________

Anyway, I chrunched the Vita numbers last time. Anyone else mind doing the favour this time? Work is way to hectic atm so I only have time for a quick visit.

PS. Being forced to let people go fucking sucks, especially when they do a good job :(

Well right now two of the big US carriers have Sony phones afaik (VZ and T-Mobile), but only one (T-M) has the actual Z3 (but not its more compact little sister, the Z3c) for $25/month for 2 years, while Verizon, weirdly enough, chose to only have the Z3v, an un-sexyfied version of the Z3 (with a Z2 body) for $200 under 2y contract.

This being said, compared to the situation with the Z2 a few months back it is far better though, and if they can get some attention with the Z4 and get it with its compact version under contracts -and- put a decent budget in advertising it, the situation could be quite different in FY 2016 imo.
 
Ok guys I need some kind of explanation, what in the world is happening with the Mobile Communications department: they have a 14% increase on sales but they are like 8 times more in negative than last year Q3, What in the world did SONY do to increase in ten fold the losses. The same thing is happening with PICTURES, ALL OTHER and CORPORATE & ELIMINATION.

Man I need a Management Summary to explain the variations LOL.

Accrual of the -176 billion JPY ($1.50 billion) impairment charge of goodwill realised throughout FY 2014.

Besides that, unfavourable impact of the appreciation of the US dollar, a decrease in sales, and lower margins contribute to the lower FY OP.

Mobile is 10.5 billion JPY ($89.3 million) OP without impairment.
 
Accrual of the -176 billion JPY ($1.50 billion) impairment charge of goodwill realised throughout FY 2014.

Besides that, unfavourable impact of the appreciation of the US dollar, a decrease in sales, and lower margins contribute to the lower OP.

Mobile is 10.5 billion JPY ($89.3 million) OP without impairment.

Impairment charge of goodwill?

What that be??
 

Percy

Banned
Been hearing for years that the PS3 would outsell the 360 because outside the US/UK no one will buy the 360. Doesnt seem to be happening.

To be fair, such estimates were most likely being made at a time when this seemed a safe bet to happen, and few could have imagined the successor to the 360 would prove so unappealling to the public at large that the 360 would continue to be as popular an option as it has been for them and for it to keep selling at the pace it has been while the exact opposite scenario played out with PS3>PS4.

I know around 18 months ago I'd have predicted things being the complete reverse of what they actually are right now for sure.
 
Hooray for abenomics.

I still don't understand how they flubbed mobile so much. They actually have a good product. I guess they do in TVs too. Haha.
Poor availability in key markets, high cost structure, poor marketing, poor software optimisation.

The only theing they get right is the hardware, everything else is lacking.
 
I didn't ask for niche games, but big games. You know, huge, must-have, console defining (usually exclusive) experiences. But, looking at your list I understand why people see Vita as a dead console.

Carry on.

Bayonetta big? Bayonetta and DK did not sell well at all. Bayonetta is the definition of niche lol. And actually this show that the Vita has actual third party support unlike the WiiU.
 

Faustek

Member
Well right now two of the big US carriers have Sony phones afaik (VZ and T-Mobile), but only one (T-M) has the actual Z3 (but not its more compact little sister, the Z3c) for $25/month for 2 years, while Verizon, weirdly enough, chose to only have the Z3v, an un-sexyfied version of the Z3 (with a Z2 body) for $200 under 2y contract.

This being said, compared to the situation with the Z2 a few months back it is far better though, and if they can get some attention with the Z4 and get it with its compact version under contracts -and- put a decent budget in advertising it, the situation could be quite different in FY 2016 imo.

Yepp, sounds about right what I get is that they are demanding a bigger piece of the cake than European carriers though. Again this is just information that has been *guessed*...I must believe that they know more than me....else why the fuck are we paying for their services? :D

Anyway, on a personal note I find their phones great. I love the fact that they are so open and even enables you to be able to run ASOP and build roms yourself and are so behind open source. Must thank the great people in Lund that really spearheaded this project.
And that it's actually waterproof? Might seem silly to many but the greatest killer, after my own foolishness in just running why-the-fuck-kernels, has been water damage to my phones.....even my toilet killed one once. Tip of the day, don't be texting funny things with a friend while peeing...or sit down and pee if you must.
 
Accrual of the -176 billion JPY ($1.50 billion) impairment charge of goodwill realised throughout FY 2014.

Besides that, unfavourable impact of the appreciation of the US dollar, a decrease in sales, and lower margins contribute to the lower FY OP.

Mobile is 10.5 billion JPY ($89.3 million) OP without impairment.

Thank you very much for the answer, it was very insightful but if we are talking about impairment charge of goodwill specially for the Mobile Communications Division,if my accounting is right, than that means that we are seeing a undervalue of the brand SONY XPERIA ? is this right?
 

Luke_Wal

Member
Worldwide you mean

Middle East is also a big market for Sony

Huh. Really?!? I never would have guessed that. It would be interesting to see some games targeted specifically to Middle Eastern gamers... Although I can't think about what that would even be.
 
You're obsession with reasons as to why the PS4 had good bundles in the UK during Christmas and why Driveclub was high on the PAL charts is turning a tad unhealthy, you want to let it go.

Is this your first year in this great country? If not I ain't got a clue why you're shocked at good sales for electronics during the Christmas, it's always been awesome here for anything that is not an Apple product.

Yeah, remember when the 360 had four pretty great games bundled with it for the RRP less than a year after its release? Or remember when the Wii was being sold £70 under RRP less than a year after launch?

If you're trying to argue that 2014 wasn't am exceptionally crazy year for console prices, especially when taking the launch date of the PS4 and X1 consoles into account, I'd suggest you're either lying or simply ignorant of past console prices within the first year of launch.

And tell me, where is DC is the current individual chart now that it's not bundled any more? Or are you one of those people who thinks the weather patch is the reason for its success during late November/early December.
 

Alo0oy

Banned
To be fair, such estimates were most likely being made at a time when this seemed a safe bet to happen, and few could have imagined the successor to the 360 would prove so unappealling to the public at large that the 360 would continue to be as popular an option as it has been for them and for it to keep selling at the pace it has been while the exact opposite scenario played out with PS3>PS4.

I know around 18 months ago I'd have predicted things being the complete reverse of what they actually are right now for sure.

But PS3 has shipped more than X360s in 2014, we don't know the exact numbers of the last quarter, but it shipped more in the remaining three quarters, where did this narrative that X360 has been shipping more recently come from?

Huh. Really?!? I never would have guessed that. It would be interesting to see some games targeted specifically to Middle Eastern gamers... Although I can't think about what that would even be.

PS4 sold 1 million to the 6 GCC countries in the middle east (~50 million population), but we don't know how much it sold in the remaining ME countries since there are more than 20 countries in the ME.
 
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