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[Doctoglethorpe]

Ti me there is a sizable difference between a remaster and a port/upgraded port.

I consider WW HD a remaster. I consider The last of us an upgraded port. RE4 Wii is a port. etc.

This is probably going to be the same games with more stable frame rates or some api settings (draw distance, buffer sizes) tweaked. That's not a remaster. it's a cash in port

One that is probably unnecessary with proper bc

So is it not remastering to transfer a movie from DVD to bluray? Or music from vinyl to CD? I think you're thinking of either remakes or special enhanced editions a la Star Wars.


Yall need to just accept that this is a thing now. It was obviously going to happen so idk why everyone is so surprised. Music and movies are remastered all the time though, and that hasn't stopped new stuff from being made at all. Its almost a separate market really. So chill. Buy it or don't, but the whining is ridiculous. There's a market for it whether you are part of it or not. Not every game released is going to cater to you. Basically, deal with it. Cause truth is it doesn't harm you in any way. Its not anticonsumer or some kind of social injustice or anything. So complaining about it is no better than port begging. Actually I'd say its worse. Its the negative equivalent. Port trashing?

 

[dragonyeuw]

People want a remake of FFVII, not a remaster. The PC version is a remaster and that's the one we're getting on the PS4 later this year, which nobody wants.

Good point on that. That's what I was thinking, so yes remaster was the wrong term there.

 

[CadetMahoney]

As long as they're PS4 exclusives I'm fine with them.

 

[Bgamer90]

People here saying that remasters are selling and that's why developers are making them...don't fucking complain when majority of them make FPS games or push yearly franchises and then you start questioning their creativity...because you know it sells.

"When"? Didn't that pretty much happen already (last gen)?

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As long as they're PS4 exclusives I'm fine with them.

???

What?

 

[FantasticMrFoxdie]

Yeah, No origins no buy for me. Haven't gotten to play Origins so i'd rather spend money on that

 

[clutch.as.it.gets.]

If those ports look like the PC version on max i`m cool with that (console versions had horrible textures, almost N64 quality upclose).

But if its just a cheap resolution bumb, im not interested!

 

[Boke1879]

People here saying that remasters are selling and that's why developers are making them...don't fucking complain when majority of them make FPS games or push yearly franchises and then you start questioning their creativity...because you know it sells.

The difference. Remasters aren't stifling creativity. You're still getting your Arkham Knight, Your Uncharted, your new Mass Effect and other AAA. Remasters aren't stopping anything.

People seem to only be upset because it's not a remaster THEY want.

 

[TrebuchetGames]

I dont understand why there is so much anger about a remaster... especially in this case where there is a brand new game in the series coming out in June.

If you don't want it, you don't buy it, but it's not hurting anyone.

Now on the case of remasters, I never buy remasters unless the previous games of the series are included, so won't be buying it, unless all three games are included. It's the same with Borderlands, I might have considered it had it included Borderlands 1. Hate part collections, it's one of the reasons why i still haven't played the Yakuza games I purchased, because i wanted to start from 1 and get all the way to 5... - Yeah I'm a bit weird like that.

 

[zrubenmtz]

If only they'd make a new Arkham game.

well, it would be cool if they actually release it.

 

[Bgamer90]

well, it would be cool if they actually release it.

But I thought we prefered AAA games to not be rushed!

I'm confused guys

 

[Zoned]

The difference. Remasters aren't stifling creativity. You're still getting your Arkham Knight, Your Uncharted, your new Mass Effect and other AAA. Remasters aren't stopping anything.

People seem to only be upset because it's not a remaster THEY want.

Actually the number of AAA titles are dropping every year. As someone said, we have only got one new unannounced retail tile in 2015. If people keep paying money for these remasters, then publishers won't even bother with new projects because they know they can cash cow these remasters anytime.

 

[VLiberty]

this..
this is getting ridicolously out of hand..
i mean how old is batman even? 4?5?6????
christ..
i want NEW games, i want remaster of VERY old games, I don't want remaster of every frigging game from gen x to gen x+1..
this is getting out of hand because people kept saying "ok", "goty", "you can avoid buying if you don't want", but ultimately some people just nod and buy them again..
results?
ultimately they use a LOT of assets already there and simply sell the game anew.. if even a small (yet decent) amount of people buy them, this way they will profit anyway, and companies just love profit..
equation? they can still reap profit from old content, so no need to push for NEW games where they have to try their luck with consumer approval on the final product, it's safest to just remaster a NOT-SO-OLD successful game..
and it's not limited to this, see the last of us..
heck, see final fantasy x/x-2 with S-E releasing it for ps3, for vita... and now for ps4...
give me a break...

Yeah, imagine if they made a brand new Arkham game for PS4/One instead of just porting the old games.

 

[Zoned]

"When"? Didn't that pretty much happen already (last gen)?

It did. And it will keep happening, and then people shouldn't complain in every E3 thread.

 

[Boke1879]

But I thought we prefered AAA games to not be rushed!

I'm confused guys

Me too. People complain when games are rushed and ship broken but then get mad about a delay. I hate delays as well. In a perfect world there would be no delays but unfortunately that's not the case.

I think people want to complain for the sake of complaining about something that really doesn't effect them. People bitched and moaned about tons of indie games getting announced saying "they aren't real games"

If you don't like the idea of a remaster then just don't buy it. You're not forced to buy it. But there is a market for this. Some people didn't get around to playing some of them.

 

[Vade]

I dont understand why there is so much anger about a remaster... especially in this case where there is a brand new game in the series coming out in June.

If you don't want it, you don't buy it, but it's not hurting anyone.

Now on the case of remasters, I never buy remasters unless the previous games of the series are included, so won't be buying it, unless all three games are included. It's the same with Borderlands, I might have considered it had it included Borderlands 1. Hate part collections, it's one of the reasons why i still haven't played the Yakuza games I purchased, because i wanted to start from 1 and get all the way to 5... - Yeah I'm a bit weird like that.

People are pissed because said company could working on something new rather than bleeding the easy money out of the fan base. Having contempt for your fan base is great.

 

[RDreamer]

Actually the number of AAA titles are dropping every year. As someone said, we have only got one new unannounced retail tile in 2015. If people keep paying money for these remasters, then publishers won't even bother with new projects because they know they can cash cow these remasters anytime.

Yes, they won't even bother making new content...

Do you realize how daft this sounds?

This is just a new revenue stream that will actually help new AAA titles. If they know that they can get more out of a product for years to come, then they will make more new products, too.

These remasters are also helping with brand recognition and excitement for those new products in the series.

People are pissed because said company could working on something new rather than bleeding the easy money out of the fan base. Having contempt for your fan base is great.

Yes, they could be working on something new! Perhaps they could call it Arkham Knight! If only...

 

[Boke1879]

Actually the number of AAA titles are dropping every year. As someone said, we have only got one new unannounced retail tile in 2015. If people keep paying money for these remasters, then publishers won't even bother with new projects because they know they can cash cow these remasters anytime.

You got The Order, Bloodborne, Batman, Witcher 3, Halo 5, Until Dawn, MGS5 plus a ton others. AAA games aren't going away

 

[DieH@rd]

As long as they're PS4 exclusives I'm fine with them.

 

[Boke1879]

People are pissed because said company could working on something new rather than bleeding the easy money out of the fan base. Having contempt for your fan base is great.

Who's forcing anyone to buy it?

 

[zrubenmtz]

But I thought we prefered AAA games to not be rushed!

I'm confused guys

yeah, we do, I'm just a little frustrated about the delays of AK. I can't help to think that the project managers they have on that game are very incompetents setting dates.

sorry.

 

[Inuhanyou]

You are correct but it still feels like that are WAY less original games are getting developed this gen due to higher development costs and the focus on AAA games.

And the sad thing is people who are angry about these releases dont realize that without these remasters, they'd probably either get less games in the future due to the profits funding development of more games, or in general there are less games to pad out the waitin time of new games.

Without these remasters, instead of people complaining about remasters, you'd have people complaining about no games being released period.

This is what the industry is like now with the demise of the AA sector along with many other AAA development teams along with it.

 

[LAUGHTREY]

Origins remaster would need the combat and upgrade system entirely changed for it to be a good game. So forgettable as a blatant cash-grab in the otherwise awesome series.

I hope it's something a little more than just an upscaled PC port.

 

[Ponn]

People here saying that remasters are selling and that's why developers are making them...don't fucking complain when majority of them make FPS games or push yearly franchises and then you start questioning their creativity...because you know it sells.

There is a pretty big difference there. Remasters are not usually done by the frontline teams of developers. Also in this age of non-backwards compatible consoles these remasters make it easier to retire our older consoles but still play the games we love from last gen. If we could get a KH collection, Mass Effect and Valkyria Chronicles remaster I would be freaking set.

 

[Green Yoshi]

70 bucks for two games, you could get for 5$ in a Humble Bundle last year?

 

[the black pearl]

So City will probably look like PC version, I wonder how Asylum will look.

 

[Boke1879]

There is a pretty big difference there. Remasters are not usually done by the frontline teams of developers. Also in this age of non-backwards compatible consoles these remasters make it easier to retire our older consoles but still play the games we love from last gen. If we could get a KH collection, Mass Effect and Valkyria Chronicles remaster I would be freaking set.

Give me a Mass Efffect collection and an Uncharted Collection. Anything else that's interesting is icing on the cake.

 

[Vade]

Who's forcing anyone to buy it?

Do you understand what bleeding a fan base means? Apparently not because you seem to think it is forcing people to buy it. Bleeding a fan base is getting those whales who will buy anything to do with the games/merchandise to part with more of their capital with little effort on your end. Exactly what they are doing.

Yes, they won't even bother making new content...

Yes, they could be working on something new! Perhaps they could call it Arkham Knight! If only...

Your sarcasm is grating pretty hard, were you going for the turn off brain and post comment? If even they completely outsourced to another developer; they are still burning development hours on it through simple attrition. Nothing this current gen runs without day 1 patches which take time. Look at the MCC and what happens with outsourcing and porting or let's look at something closer and see what happened when the developers left the series for one game. Oh right origins was a buggy mess and to this day still has left over game breaking bugs. Which could have been stamped out with enough man power and money, but why waste those resources when the majority of your revenue has already been accrued.

'Open-world' games will always have some bugs, glitches or random disruptions, they are a cost of having that amount of freedom. However, stamping out game breaking issues before release or on that day 1 patch should be their priority if they are valuing their fan base rather than looking for the easy revenue stream.

 

[Bgamer90]

Actually the number of AAA titles are dropping every year.

This isn't due to the new gen transition right (even though all gens started out pretty slow)? It's the fault of remasters!

As someone said, we have only got one new unannounced retail tile in 2015.

There will be more. 100% guaranteed that there will be more.

If people keep paying money for these remasters, then publishers won't even bother with new projects because they know they can cash cow these remasters anytime.

This is terrible logic. If anything, companies are making remasters so that there's MORE interest in new projects so those new projects do better (and so companies can continue on making new projects).

It would be harder for a person to be pumped for Batman Arkham Knight if they never played the previous (last gen) Batman games. It would be harder for a person to be pumped for a current gen Borderlands game if they never played any of the last gen Borderlands games; Harder for PS4 owners to get into new entries of series that were introduced exclusively to the PS3 if they never owned a PS3. (etc.)

On top of this, I have no problem with PS3/360 or PS2/Xbox gen remasters if it means that today's babies/toddlers can easily experience these games when they're older.

 

[Skilletor]

People here saying that remasters are selling and that's why developers are making them...don't fucking complain when majority of them make FPS games or push yearly franchises and then you start questioning their creativity...because you know it sells.

That already happened, though. Way before this "problem." I play very few yearly franchises and zero FPS and I'm not lacking for things to play.

 

[BumRush]

In some ways, it makes me wish I had just now discovered last gen. I don't have enough gaming time to play many games more than once, especially within 3-4 years of playing it the first time.

 

[Boke1879]

Do you understand what bleeding a fan base means? Apparently not because you seem to think it is forcing people to buy it. Bleeding a fan base is getting those whales who will buy anything to do with the games/merchandise to part with more of their capital with little effort on your end. Exactly what they are doing.



Your sarcasm is grating pretty hard, were you going for the turn off brain and post comment? If even they completely outsourced to another developer; they are still burning development hours on it through simple attrition. Nothing this current gen runs without day 1 patches which take time. Look at the MCC and what happens with outsourcing and porting or let's look at something closer and see what happened when the developers left the series for one game. Oh right origins was a buggy mess and to this day still has left over game breaking bugs. Which could have been stamped out with enough man power and money, but why waste those resources when the majority of your revenue has already been accrued.

'Open-world' games will always have some bugs, glitches or random disruptions, they are a cost of having that amount of freedom. However, stamping out game breaking issues before release or on that day 1 patch should be their priority if they are valuing their fan base rather than looking for the easy revenue stream.

Again those people don't have to buy tit. If they want to buy it then so be it. What's the issue here again? If people want to buy something then let them.

 

[vg260]

Bleeding a fan base is getting those whales who will buy anything to do with the games/merchandise to part with more of their capital with little effort on your end. Exactly what they are doing.

So? Good for them. It's a luxury item, not a necessity. As long as people know exactly what's being offered for the price, and decide accordingly, I don't see the problem.

 

[Zoned]

Again those people don't have to buy tit. If they want to buy it then so be it. What's the issue here again? If people want to buy something then let them.

Don't complain when Ubisoft or BF titles are released like a buggy mess, because if you don't like it then don't buy it...

 

[plasmawave]

My question is... when is this going to end? Remasters need to die a horrible death.

Why? Don't like it don't buy it.

 

[Skilletor]

Don't complain when Ubisoft or BF titles are released like a buggy mess, because if you don't like it then don't buy it...

Done!

Next issue.

 

[Lasty95]

Just confirmed by "trusted sources" of IGN Italy, as you can check here.

Coming to PS4 and XB1.

My question is... Why not the whole trilogy?

The 'trilogy' is AA, AC and now AK.

Rocksteady had nothing to do with Origins, which was an travesty of a game.

I'd be all over this. Ideally a bit more than a straight up 1080 up-res, but i'd be up for it to play all 3 together.

 

[Ithil]

My question is... when is this going to end? Remasters need to die a horrible death.

Who is making you buy them again?

 

[Raziel]

well, it would be cool if they actually release it.

I believe that's the plan in 3 months.

 

[GayForMaster]

Jesus fuck MAKE IT STOP

 

[CloudWolf]

So, are these going to be 10 bucks or less? Because you can easily get the PC versions for that price and there's no way these are going to be that much better looking than the PC version.

 

[RyudBoy]

I always knew it would happen eventually, and I previously said that I would be interested. Now that I got a pretty beefy PC, I don't know if it would be worth it. I guess that would depend on the price (not paying $60) and whether it'll run at 1080p on XB1. Not paying for a half assed port.

I still haven't played Asylum, so there's that.

 

[vg260]

So, are these going to be 10 bucks or less? Because you can easily get the PC versions for that price and there's no way these are going to be that much better looking than the PC version.

I don't think these are aimed at the audience with PCs.

That being said, the pricing will go a long way to determine if these are a worthwhile purchase.

 

[CloudWolf]

I don't think these are aimed at the audience with PCs.

That being said, the pricing will go a long way to determine if these are a worthwhile purchase.

True, but the Arkham games arent particularly demanding games to run on a PC, most people will easily be able to run Arkham City and especially Asylum on their home PC's, making a purchase of the remastered editions useless.

 

[Bgamer90]

Jesus fuck MAKE IT STOP

"GRRR! I'm so annoyed even though I'm not being forced to buy remasters and the majority of 2015 games I was interested in before the year started are still coming out!!!"

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Don't complain when Ubisoft or BF titles are released like a buggy mess, because if you don't like it then don't buy it...

Uhh... Yeah. People should wait to see how games turn about before buying them. ::scratches head::

 

[stan423321]

True, but the Arkham games arent particularly demanding games to run on a PC, most people will easily be able to run Arkham City and especially Asylum on their home PC's, making a purchase of the remastered editions useless.

most people will easily be able to run Arkham City and especially Asylum on their home PC's

their home PC's

WHY THE APOSTROPHE

On a serious note, there are many people without PCs nowadays, then there are many people with those horrible integrated graphics (who used to have PCs without video accelerators at all), and then there are people who may even have a good PC but find playing on one too time consuming slash blasphemous. So it doesn't necessarily work like this.

 

[Naminator]

Origins was the best one, it's crazy that they don't include it.

 

[Donrule01]

Who is making you buy them again?

I agree. You dont have to buy them. Some people havent played the older ones like me. Now I can with full visual fidelity .

 

[privitsan02]

"GRRR! I'm so annoyed even though I'm not being forced to buy remasters and the majority of 2015 games I was interested in before the year started are still coming out!!!"

Using history, most will be delayed to next year. Starting with Uncharted 4! But hey, makes room for Uncharted Trilogy Remastered!

 

[Bluenoser]

Sweet. Never played either of these for PS3/360. Normally I'm not into comic book games, but these got such high praise, it may be worth picking them up if 1080/60fps.

 

[Shig]

How much you wanna bet they remove the 3DTV functionality?

Really chaps my hide how the industry was all gung-ho for 3D compatability a couple years back when it meant horrid resolutions and jittery framerates, but now that we've got hardware that can handle it much better, they can't be bothered.

It arouses a lot of suspicion at how dedicated any devs will be to the VR headsets that are on the horizon. Considering those need to similarly render two images for full effect, 3D support on consoles should be ramping up as devs seek to become more familiar and proficient with it. Last-gen ports are much easier to get running smoothly are are ideal to cut devs' teeth on stereoscopic rendering than current-gen fare that's trying to redline the system's limits while rendering once. Cultivating a library with a good number of 3D-supported games could be a nice boon to increase Morpheus' perceived value upon release. But instead it's a corpse that no one speaks of.