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Batman Arkham Asylum/City Remaster (Rumor)

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Bizzquik

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IndoAssassin said:
Sweet now I just need the ME trilogy and I can sell my 360.
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Totally agree.

All these people saying "No more Remasters" concern me. I say 'keep bringing us Remasters' .....until we finally get a remaster of the Mass Effect Trilogy, in which case I am then completely fine with the industry finally moving on.
 
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vypek

Member
Fine by me. Haven't played any of the games in the series so I don't mind a remaster. And I don't think a remaster takes the place of developing a brand new game so I guess I don't have a problem with remasters in general.
 
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naitosan

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Good for anyone who want a complete set of Batman Arkham trilogy on single console. I'm good with PC version. :) People need to stop whining- there are people who haven't played or got a chance to play on previous console or have decent PC setup.

I say, keep coming with more remastered games! :)
 
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GekigangerV

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I'll probably get this for cheap later on down the line as I do enjoy the games. I was playing Arkham City challenge maps late last year and still had a great time. If anything else, they are pretty easy Platinum's for me(though maybe a bit time consuming).

Would the increased power eliminate the horrible texture pop-in that was present in all three games on the console versions or was that an intrinsic problem with the engine? That stuff didn't improve at all across the sequels.

I hope all the versions of Asylum come with the Joker challenge maps and aren't just locked to the Sony system again.

It would be pretty swell if we could get some voice clips for Nightwing in Arkham City or put some of those extra costumes in Asylum to use in challenge mode (that original Armor costume was a bit weird).
 
JohnnyFootball

JohnnyFootball

GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
Zoned said:
Actually the number of AAA titles are dropping every year. As someone said, we have only got one new unannounced retail tile in 2015. If people keep paying money for these remasters, then publishers won't even bother with new projects because they know they can cash cow these remasters anytime.
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Right, because it makes sense to expect to have the same number of AAA titles we were getting in the 5th, 6th and 7th years of last gen when the install base was well over 100 million?

I don't understand why people have year 5 expectations on just the second year of a console generation. Of course, publishers aren't going to flood the market with AAA titles right now. There simply isn't the install base to do so.

If people would use common sense and compare this gen with year 2 of the last gen, it would be totally obvious that things are pretty damn good.
 
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Corpekata

Banned
GekigangerV said:
I'll probably get this for cheap later on down the line as I do enjoy the games. I was playing Arkham City challenge maps late last year and still had a great time. If anything else, they are pretty easy Platinum's for me(though maybe a bit time consuming).

Would the increased power eliminate the horrible texture pop-in that was present in all three games on the console versions or was that an intrinsic problem with the engine? That stuff didn't improve at all across the sequels.

I hope all the versions of Asylum come with the Joker challenge maps and aren't just locked to the Sony system again.

It would be pretty swell if we could get some voice clips for Nightwing in Arkham City or put some of those extra costumes in Asylum to use in challenge mode (that original Armor costume was a bit weird).
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Pop in on good PCs is not an issue so might be fixed in this remaster. Common problem with Unreal Engine games though. I remember Borderlands 2 having some pretty bad pop in at times so if they fixed that for the Handsome Collection, might be a good indicator.
 
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IndoAssassin

Banned
Bizzquik said:
Totally agree.

All these people saying "No more Remasters" concern me. I say 'keep bringing us Remasters' .....until we finally get a remaster of the Mass Effect Trilogy, in which case I am then completely fine with the industry finally moving on.
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I just hope they do a good job with this and the ME trilogy if they decide to do it.

I just don't trust that EA will give it the necessary resorces to make it a good remaster
 
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Jonneh3003

Banned
The sales of remasters are seriously going to plummet, the only one worth while IMO is The Master Chief Collection as it actually brings abandoned multiplayer back to life and remakes 1 of it's games.
 
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Spring-Loaded

Member
InfiniteCombo said:
Ah, I was waiting for you to show up in this thread, since I highly respect what you have to say about the Arkham series.

On the one hand, I'm inclined to agree with most of your post. Asylum does feel pretty bare bones compared to its successors. You could argue that it is outdone by City and Origins in pretty much every way; combo options, number of gadgets and gadget abilities, stealth options, etc.

But on the other hand, you COULD leave Asylum as-is. There is a certain enjoyment at being as limited as Batman is in that game. Take the comboing abilities, for example. In Asylum, it's almost pure free-flow, and very little gadget and/or other help, which means you have to be good at comboing but also think quick. It's a different skillset than, say, City, where if you're surrounded by an overwhelming amount of thugs and want to keep your combo going neatly, you can "buy yourself time" by doing a beat down on the current thug. I don't know how to explain it, but it doesn't feel as bare bones or "pure" as Asylum. [Disclaimer: I absolutely love beat-downs, I think it's one of the greatest things to happen to the transition from Asylum to City].

I'm looking for an analogy but can't find one. Let's go with Mario. Would you take Yoshi from Galaxy 2 and retroactively add him to Galaxy 1? Would you take the additional power-ups from Galaxy 2 and retroactively add them to Galaxy 1? You could argue in either direction, but there's a charm, a "platforming purity" and a different skill set required that makes Galaxy 1 worth playing in its current state, even if it's inferior or less fun than Galaxy 2 because of Yoshi or the additional power-ups. Again, maybe this is a bad analogy but it's what I could come up with at the moment.

I'm currently in the process of going through my second 100% of Asylum, and will attach my thoughts to either an existing LTTP or create a new one.
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I agree adding elements of sequels into the original game would cause problems, from a tone standpoint and a gameplay/progression one. That's why I say I'd prefer an outright remake. Redone encounters, game world design, etc. Even if the developers want to retain the same "purity" of the first game, there are still refinements made in its sequel(s) which would improve the experience without negatively affecting the tone. Being able to use gadgets during combat would require the fights/enemies be changed. Including the multitude of stealth takedowns (and, perhaps, their fast and loud variants) would reuire stealth segments be redesigned. Actions such as allowing the player to cancel grappling to a ledge mid grapnel-pull or dismantling weapons would probably fit into the existing game as is, but would still require some tweaking.

Again, I want a remake of AA, something that feels like more than Rocksteady's first attempt at a Batman game — which Asylum feels like when going back to it following Arkham City and seeing what's being done with Knight. AA's Metroid-like elements (interconnected world, puzzle-like environmental progression) are very surface-level. Outside of the first time I played it, I never got the feeling of exploring or figuring out where to go on my own — I don't need a game to be really difficult to figure out to experience that feeling (recently got it while replaying Metroid Prime) but I don't get that from AA anymore. It's such a guided experience that the illusion of exploration is quickly lost, perhaps even before replaying it.

Aside from those Metroid-like aspects (which aren't good enough to really call "Metroid-like" in my opinion), the game doesn't offer anything I'd still enjoy that I can't get in its sequel. Combat being basic isn't a problem, but that it doesn't allow much in the way of experimentation can be considered one. Stealth is still pretty good considering there ar ea few interestingly designed stealth arenas, but there's still improvements and options introduced in City that'd feel as if they're missing in an Asylum replay for me — there being few offensive, yet risky options stands out to me. Story isn't good in Asylum considering its only positive was it seemed like it was building up to an interesting climax throughout the entire game, yet it never paid off. All of this and more woul dneed to be addressed or fixed for me to consider buying a remaster, and considering how much work that'd entail, I don't expect it to happen.
 
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Easy_D

never left the stone age
This shit is why people advocate PC gaming, all the games in your library become a remaster the second you install new hardware. Fancy new GPU that eats an old game for breakfast? Welcome to down sampling from high resolutions and supreme picture quality!

Framerates up the whazoo! Hell sometimes crazy modders remake all the textures and make an old game look amazing (Like the RE4HD mod, which is probably equally brilliant as it is insane)

delSai said:
Those two games and Arkham Knight are the whole trilogy. Origins doesn't seem to count :p
Just finished Arkham City for the second time a while ago, so no interest at the moment. Maybe when my Ps3 dies.
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Origins getting the shaft despite being a better game than City :(
 
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kitzkozan

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Bizzquik said:
Totally agree.

All these people saying "No more Remasters" concern me. I say 'keep bringing us Remasters' .....until we finally get a remaster of the Mass Effect Trilogy, in which case I am then completely fine with the industry finally moving on.
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Remasters are good for me because I'm patient, often to the point of exaggeration. Because of the overabundance of DLC, I will wait for a fully packaged edition of a given game which interest me. The problem is that many last-gen titles didn't get those and thus I skipped them lol.

Borderlands 2 game of the year doesn't include the full DLC package, but the Handsome collection does and also include the Pre-sequel with the DLC as well. The same situation arise for Dark Souls 2 which I was tempted to buy in december, but decided to wait for the PS4 version with better performance all all DLC included (it's also why I want to buy USFIV again).

Remastered trilogies of Uncharted and Mass Effect would be great as well, especially if you could play ME as one seamless experience with all the DLC integrated in the game.
 
lowrider007

lowrider007

Licorice-flavoured booze?
Shake Appeal said:
My question is... when is this going to end? Remasters need to die a horrible death.
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I don't think they need to die a horrible death, look at the music and film industry, there is obviously a market for remastered and improved content, I've had movies spanning across beta max, vhs, laser disc, super VCD, DVD and blue ray!! And primarily the only thing that has changed is the fidelity, as long as it doesn't impinge upon new content being delivered I'm all for it.
 
JohnnyFootball

JohnnyFootball

GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
Spring-Loaded said:
Good for people who never played them. These need to be no more than half off of MSRP though.

Even if I didn't own these on PC, there'd be so little reason for me to go back to Aslyum. There's too much about that game that's been outclassed by its sequels. Asylum needed to be a full remake to be worthwhile here, in my opinion. Redone overworld, added abilities from the sequels (small stuff like how the grapnel works or stealth takedown options), redone boss encounters, changed ending, etc. I'd prefer a remake be a standalone thing too, but that's asking too much, especially only six years after the original came out.
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Unfortunately that won't happen. It would fundamentally change the game if they offered the same move set as Arkham City. I suppose it COULD work, but they would have to change the enemy types too.
 
Clear

Clear

CliffyB's Cock Holster
Easy_D said:
Origins getting the shaft despite being a better game than City :(
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Its not though, electrocutioner gloves basically break the combat system for a start-off. Then there's the god-awful lack of signposting for entry-points that make it hell to find your way back inside if you missed a collectible when it was a "live" mission area, and the generally more annoying traversal due to the reduced number of grapple-points.

City I liked more, the more I played it. Origins just becomes an unrewarding chore after awhile.
 
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User 479360

Banned
I was mad at myself for trading Asylum in when I got a good deal through a promotion, and was planning to pick it up again if it was cheap. But if this is real, then I'll wait for it.

Asylum > City >> Origins >>>>> Blackgate
 
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Solid Samus

Banned
JohnnyFootball said:
Right, because it makes sense to expect to have the same number of AAA titles we were getting in the 5th, 6th and 7th years of last gen when the install base was well over 100 million?

I don't understand why people have year 5 expectations on just the second year of a console generation. Of course, publishers aren't going to flood the market with AAA titles right now. There simply isn't the install base to do so.

If people would use common sense and compare this gen with year 2 of the last gen, it would be totally obvious that things are pretty damn good.
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Two years into the last generation, these were some of the notable franchises represented on PS3 at that point, a system which keep in mind was renowned at that point for having no games

Guitar Hero & Rock Band, Tomb Raider, Sonic, Need for Speed, Yakuza, Burnout, Metal Gear Solid, next-generation GTA, Rainbow Six, Gran Tourismo, Unreal Tournament, Uncharted, Medal of Honor, Call of Duty, Assassin's Creed, Ratchet and Clank, Tony Hawk, Skate, DIRT/GRID, Warhawk, Ghost Recon, Ninja Gaiden, Dead Space, Motorstorm, SOCOM, Elder Scrolls, Bioshock, Far Cry, Midnight Club, Fallout, Resistance, Army of Two, Valkyria Chronicles, Mirror's Edge, Mortal Kombat, Force Unleashed, LEGO games, Silent Hill, and of course, Rock Revolution.

i'm not seeing what's totally obvious about this except that there's fewer AAA games and games that can fill that space than there were with the last round of consoles, even when directly compared.
 
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Sojgat

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lewisgn said:
It is a little odd how Rocksteady have been pushing the whole "Arkham Trilogy" thing. I get that they didn't make Origins, but it seems a little strange that they insist on using the word "trilogy", not "saga" or "series" etc. Are WB ok with that? I haven 't played Origins, and I get that it wasn't extremely well received, but part from the bugs it didn't sound offensively bad. I know a lot of people think it has the best story.
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Origins is the best Arkham game in almost every area, not just story. Rocksteady laid the foundations, and WB Montreal built on them. You can even see a few ideas taken from Origins in the Knight gameplay videos.

I don't like how they seem to be pretending Origins doesn't exist... if this collection is even really happening.
 
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Simply Sami

Member
Origins would make the most sense to remaster. Because quite a few people missed it when the next gen consoles came out.

Just strange.
 
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doniewhalberg

Member
Sojgat said:
Origins is the best Arkham game in almost every area, not just story. Rocksteady laid the foundations, and WB Montreal built on them. You can even see a few ideas taken from Origins in the Knight gameplay videos.

I don't like how they seem to be pretending Origins doesn't exist... if this collection is even really happening.
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Not to play devil's advocate, but just to show how people can differ wildly in opinion on the same experiences laid in front of them: I honestly felt it regressed in most actual gameplay areas while putting in an absolutely brilliant story (particularly the delivery of it by the voice actors). Just goes to show though, different strokes for different strokes. That said, I really enjoyed Origins for it's different strengths and weaknesses (whether we agree on what they werE) and would happily have all of the games in a remaster collection.
 
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Johndoey

Banned
Whioe I would feel better about the package if it had Origins, Origins is trash most people don't care about, so I can understand not including it.
 
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Cimarron

Member
As long as these remasters are not taking away resources from making new games I am ok with it. Why do games get such hate but when movies and television does it no one bats an eye?
 
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Magnus

Member
It'd be incredible if these were included with Day 1/preorders of the season pass or CE - the here-and-present value would climb for sure.

It'd never happen, though.

Although I guess there's some precedent, with Zelda OOT/MQ on the GC way back....haha.
 
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visiblemode

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brandonh83 said:
They really don't. Not everyone has played every game and getting some of these in proper resolutions and frame rates is great.
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Yeah, totally agree. There are dozens of valid arguments in favour of remasters, and the vast majority against them are questionable, such as "they suck" or "work on new games."

As for these, might wanna replay Asylum, but am done with City.
 
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jadjei

Member
Just wondering, I bought Batman AA on steam a few days before the remasters were revealed. Will the remasters have new content or are the graphics just going to be better?
 
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strafer

member
Arkham Asylum and City will be remade and pun into Arkham Knight for a seamless transition between games.

Three games put into one game.

The future.
 
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Red Hood

Banned
Yeah, no, I don't think the remasters are coming any more. Wouldn't make any sense whatsoever to release them after Arkham Knight, which is coming in less than 8 weeks.
 
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Schweinehund

Member
jadjei said:
Just wondering, I bought Batman AA on steam a few days before the remasters were revealed. Will the remasters have new content or are the graphics just going to be better?
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There hasn't been any new information. I'm doubting they're doing anymore than porting the PC version to PS4/XBOne.

Curious to see if they'll get the dx10 features working without crashing the game's fps.
 
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Älg

Member
Why are people so pissy about remasters all of a sudden? I didn't see anyone complaining last generation.
 
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