Also, avengers 1 was the first time all big heroes came together in one frame for the first time.
The novelty wears off the second time around
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Avengers: Age of Ultron Scores 2nd Highest-Opening - The Age of Marvel is Done
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Also, avengers 1 was the first time all big heroes came together in one frame for the first time.
The novelty wears off the second time around
Yeah. That said, this does make me doubt if it'll beat the first, at least domestic. I think it's beating the first handily in international markets.
AHA-Lambda
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ryutaro's mama
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There was zero
build into their budding relationship ala Cap with Agent Carter. It felt forced and as a result, unbelievable. Had they actually fleshed this relationship out over time, maybe having Bruce and Natalya start to have a liking of each other during Avengers 1, carried over to CA:TWS (maybe with Rogers asking about her and Bruce when discussing the kiss in the truck ride) that might have set the stage for the events of AoU. It felt ham fisted. Same problem I had with Ultron. They had 3 standalone Iron Man movies to hint at Stark's desire for creating the Ultron program...it is never specifically mentioned or hinted at, iirc. It all felt so forced.
I don't think it´ll beat the first domestically, but it will most likely outgross it internationally.
Here in Costa Rica the theaters are PACKED, fight was a nonfactor
BadAss2961
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Floyd > Marvel.
Ignatz Mouse
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Meh, months occur between these movies. I can accept something occurring without hamhanded foreshadowing or buildup. This isn't weekly TV. We haven't seen Widow for a year. If anything, planting the seeds that long ago, you'd wonder why it wasn't further along.
And the Ultron
Program made perfect sense when you saw the Iron Legion, when you saw the armor in Sentinel mode. And they *have* spent a lot of time suggesting that Tony wants to give up the armor, so it fits with that as well.
Much as I like the MCU, the continuity has created this weird expectation for some people that things can only happen or matter if they've been built up over several movies ahead of time.
I disagree that there was no set-up for the Banner/Natasha romance -- there are seeds of it, if not overly romantic ones, in the first movie -- but even if that were the case, so what? Why is it suddenly wrong that a relationship in a given movie start in that movie?
It's the same thing with the complaints about Quicksilver's death. Why it is considered cheap that he dies in the same movie he's introduced? Most movies do this.
It's the same thing with the complaints about Quicksilver's death. Why it is considered cheap that he dies in the same movie he's introduced? Most movies do this.
DarkLordMalik
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I am sorry guys but I saw this coming ages ago.
Not sure what to think of the upcoming Captain America or Batman v Superman.
Not sure what to think of the upcoming Captain America or Batman v Superman.
I'm convinced ultron will be remembered better for people on repeat viewings.
The film does a poor job making his motivations a mystery and seemed to confuse a lot of people instead. Also, him being a childish reflection of Tony without any appreciation for human life, the overarching theme of creating that which you most dread, etc. are all a bit muddied on first viewing.
ryutaro's mama
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I think that is giving it a pass.
They established the relationships between Rogers, Carter, Bucky, etc. across movies without requiring the viewer to make leaps and fill in the blanks themselves. Something like a budding relationship with two of your principles should have more effort than that we saw executed onscreen. It just didn't work for me and felt forced.
As to your second point, Banner references "Ultron" to Stark in AOU as though it was a subject the audience and Stark had discussed previously and it wasn't. It was the difference between that and the Avengers mentioning they were raiding that Hydra installation, in search of Loki's staff (which we had established in Thor, Cap 1 and Avengers) so it required nothing to further explain to the audience. They just dropped The Ultron program on the viewers in AoU with no previous point of reference.
As to your second point, Banner references "Ultron" to Stark in AOU as though it was a subject the audience and Stark had discussed previously and it wasn't. It was the difference between that and the Avengers mentioning they were raiding that Hydra installation, in search of Loki's staff (which we had established in Thor, Cap 1 and Avengers) so it required nothing to further explain to the audience. They just dropped The Ultron program on the viewers in AoU with no previous point of reference.
xaosslug
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I personally feel like the FIRST one took people by surprise, in that they went to see it not expecting there to be many crowds/people. Meanwhile, the sequel is this HUGE event (now) so many decided not to bother opening week because of all the crazy crowds. TBH, the fact that it's the second biggest opening EVER is a huge feat.
ryutaro's mama
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It was cheap because
they used a shitty "trapped child" trope in order to kill him off.
Ignatz Mouse
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I'm going to echo the poster above that the MCU has given people weird expectations. It's not a pass, it's efficient storytelling. If you need everything telegraphed over a long period of time, that's on you, not on the movie. I mean, I don't remember them referencing *any* programs Banner and Stark were working on, but I would assume they don't spend the year or two between movies sitting on their asses. Tony Stark hasn't been on film for 2 years, Banner for 3. And sorry, cute name-drops in other movies are more of a negative to me than a positive, I don't want more of them. *That's* what feels forced. I'm watching a movie and *insert reference to upcoming or past MCU movie* usually takes me right out of it.
ryutaro's mama
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We differ in opinions. It worked for you and not for me.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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Marvel/Disney is still making major bank off this, plus it'll have legs, plus it's murdering overseas.
I think Feige and co. are alright with the performance.
I think Feige and co. are alright with the performance.
Messypandas
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I'm guessing this means Betty Ross is out the picture for good.
AHA-Lambda
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Never heard of it. Is it seriously expected to make big money?
Who?
Well technically
the death flag there is on Hawkeye. The subversion is that it's Quicksilver who gets killed.
But it's not the circumstances of his death I'm referring to. The complaints about Quicksilver's death being cheap are that it doesn't count as a big death because he was only just introduced in that movie. Most movies do that.
But it's not the circumstances of his death I'm referring to. The complaints about Quicksilver's death being cheap are that it doesn't count as a big death because he was only just introduced in that movie. Most movies do that.
Messypandas
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No clue.
Cheshire_Buddha
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Ant-Man will do much, much worse. Seems like there is little to no hype for it in my circle of gaming/comic book friends, but that may be due to Wright leaving.
No. Projections are under $20M opening weekend.
People say this every year. I don't think Ant-Man will be a Guardians sized breakout, but by the time it is actually ready for release the hype machine will push out a $65M+ weekend, and probably a $175M+ total.
Millions saw the trailer and if some on here are saying the trailer got the most reaction, it'll be fine.
AHA-Lambda
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Ah k, couldn't tell if previous quote was serious or not.
I can be very out of the loop at times, I hadn't heard of Pitch Perfect until a couple weeks ago
I know it's anecdotal but none of my friends, even the ones that MCU and such appeals squarely to, don't give a damn about Ant Man. There was also no reaction to the trailer before AoU outside of the toy train gag from my audience.
I personally think it'll be the first MCU bomb since it hit it's stride.
ryutaro's mama
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The lame trope sticks out most tho. It never creates drama because
you know the kid isn't gonna die. When this nonsense set up results in the death of a hero, it pisses us off. It also makes us think of how irresponsible the mother of said child is to allow herself to get on the transport when her son is trapped, shouting distance away.
Thatonemoor
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How some of you guys didn't like Ultron confuses the crap out of me. He wasn't the best villain ever but he was definitely a step above the rest of the marvel villains so far
The scene when he is speaking to Scarlet Witch was legitimately intemadating to me.
Freeza Under The Shower
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meh.
Guardians is better anyway.
Guardians is better anyway.
ryutaro's mama
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Spader was a great character but not a good Ultron,IMO.
Hiddleston was a great character AND a great Loki.
Maybe, maybe not, my audience was at a 9AM showing, they gave no fucks about any trailer until Southpaw, Antman and Force. Crowd was mainly eh about the film itself (almost no talking abiet one annoying kid, no clapping) but that trailer was one of the few times the crowd was awake.
Thatonemoor
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I honestly don't know what you mean by that.
CadetMahoney
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furious 7 took a lot of wind out of their sales is why.
ryutaro's mama
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What I mean is, if you slapped Spader onto a generic character in the film and changed nothing about him, his lines, delivery, he would still be interesting BUT as Ultron (and what we know of him from the comics) he didn't work for me.
I think your complaints at perfectly valid but also beyond reasonable expectation from Disney.
They weren't going to let a kid die in a movie watched by millions of kids. A stand alone movie maybe but not Avengers. That's not to say we shouldn't demand better, just that it was next likely in the first place. That's superhero movies for ya.
Pagusas
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I kinda think this is the correct answer. Furious 7 was not even the best F&F movie and it was still a better action/drama/emotional movie than AoU.
Honestly I find that fact very sad, but cant help the fact that AoU was just forgettable. People have it right to label it filler. In the grand scheme of things it may not be from a story perspective, but the overall way it played out and the lack of anything hard hitting happening in the film completely made it feel like a filler episode. Not what you expect from a 200 million + production budget tent-pole blockbuster. There were just no stakes at all in this film.
ryutaro's mama
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Of course weren't gonna let that happen and that was my point.
If the goal was having
Quiksilver self sacrifice for the greater good, there are number of ways they could have handled that could have been more interesting and heroic than jumping in front of a bullet to save a nameless kid
I'm a little confused. Isn't this just sequelitis at work? It's just about guaranteed to not be as good as the first film.
It's like expecting Jurassic World and The Force Unleashed to be as well-received as the first films.
I did think Ultron was a better villain than Loki, and Iron Man vs. Hulk was one of the best off-the-wall super-hero fights I've ever seen.
It's like expecting Jurassic World and The Force Unleashed to be as well-received as the first films.
I did think Ultron was a better villain than Loki, and Iron Man vs. Hulk was one of the best off-the-wall super-hero fights I've ever seen.
Manmademan
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I'm on board with this.
ryutaro's mama
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The sarcasm is flying over your head.
The film did fantastic at the box office, just not as good as the first.
One man's contrivance is another man's "efficient storytelling."
I also agree that the Hulk and Black Widow romance was poop. It had no depth to it, no intrigue.
Byakuya769
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People also might not understand that he's actually insane and not the typical cold, emotionless AI.
ryutaro's mama
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Ultron hardly has the middling jokes/demeanor that James Spader does, which is why I don't think he works as Ultron.
Age of Ultron received a Cinemascore of A by audiences, so yeah, I'm pretty sure it will have legs.
It'll reach a billion easy.
bearythebear
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Seems pretty straightforward to suggest that the fight had an impact on the Saturday numbers.
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