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The Black Culture Thread |OT11| In This Salon, Everyone Gets A Perm

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Professor Beef

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royalan said:
Somethin's in the water
And if I gotta brown nose for some gold, then I'd rather be a bum than a motherfuckin' baller

You sure that's his only argument? I mean, I can keep pulling lyrics up.
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does this mean rick ross actually pushes coke

because that's the road you're going down
 
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Trey

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royalan said:
Somethin's in the water
And if I gotta brown nose for some gold, then I'd rather be a bum than a motherfuckin' baller

You sure that's his only argument? I mean, I can keep pulling lyrics up.
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I was gonna cite the rest of that verse, too: He's literally saying that if he has to pay someone to create his lyrics and tell his story, he'd rather be nothing at all than a rich phony.

Unless you mean that him signing a shoe deal is brown nosing, which is a half step above calling him a minstrel. And that all circles back to the original point of argument that we sort of branched off from: being that gaining financial success and cooperating with established brands makes one a sell out and inauthentic. I find that broader point more an example of a cliche/stereotype than any true analysis of Kendrick's career. It's like a voice must be in the pit, rubbing elbows with the masses for certain folks to hear it without bias. And there's something to that: there is a component of possible condescension. Good artists must keep that in mind, and you can tell Kendrick is aware of that on TPAB.

But I also think your argument deteriorated as it became more specific. Calling Kendrick a sell out for getting a shoe deal and hanging with pop stars makes sense if you stick with the broad, original point (never minding all your qualifications that leveraging one's brand is not bad). But narrowing in on his criticism of ghostwriters, and equating that to his shoe deal, was tenuous at best.

As you see in the quoted verse, and across many of his songs, his creativity and wordplay is a point of pride for him. So it only makes sense that he would look down his nose at people who call themselves rappers, yet buy their verses. Especially in a braggadocios genre like rap, in a braggadocios song like King Kunta.
 
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royalan

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Trey said:
I was gonna cite the rest of that verse, too: He's literally saying that if he has to pay someone to create his lyrics and tell his story, he'd rather be nothing at all than a rich phony.
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You'll have to forgive me for the short response. It's 2:30 am where I am and I'm on my way to bed.

Personally, I don't think that's what he means by that line at all. It would be a confusing usage of "brown nose for some gold." He's implying that he wouldn't sell himself out for money. Sure, we could narrow that down to him specifically referring to using ghostwriters, but the word usage is way too broad for that.

Do I think signing a shoe deal is a form of brown nosing? No. At no point did I criticize the act of a rapper signing an endorsement deal. I criticize Kendrick for it because his positions himself as being greater in integrity than other rappers. You say that this criticism is fair coming from Kendrick because he built his brand on his talent, but I'm still of the mind that the path taken to brand power is irrelevant. His talent is irrelevant. His respect for the art is irrelevant. We're talking the consistency of one's brand and message, and that goes beyond how you respect the art, and how you present yourself.
 
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ReiGun

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Feels weird typing this here since I usually don't need this sort of advice (also, I hate to interrupt the Kendrick debate, because it's good stuff), but I trust you brehs and I could use some other perspectives.

So me and this friend been going out together for a while. Nothing major at first - going to see movies, going out to eat, yadda yadda. But lately, things have been escalating, to the point we ended up making out in my room yesterday.

Now, it should be known I don't want a relationship and neither does she (like not at all; not with each other and not with other people). But I guess she's concerned because we're clearly heading toward sex and she doesn't want it ruining the friendship because it's happened to her before this year. Cool. I get that. This past year hasn't been great for me and friends either, so I've had that in mind the entire time.

But I suppose the concern (or curiosity, rather) on my part is just how much could shit change? I mean, it would be my first time - so big step there - but it's like...I'm not really pressed over it. I'm not the stereotypical virgin who's trying to get in them drawers at any cost. Cause it's like, if it happens, cool. And if not, nothing in my life has changed so whatever. Overall, I know what shit is; we've both been clear about where we stand. But she still feels the need to text me saying she's not in love with me (to which I texted back "well duh"...okay it was more eloquent and long winded than that, but it basically boiled down to "well duh").

But even as confident as I am in that, I know this is uncharted territory for me and I know sex can change things. So I don't know. At this point, it's pretty much going to happen unless one of us truly says "nah." So I guess the outcomes are either she's right that I'm overestimating my level of fucks not given and that thang gon have me Tommen Baratheon-tier sprung (shout outs to GoT), or I'm right and she turning a molehill into a mountain. Have y'all ever had this sort of situation with a friend before? Maybe have some stories you could share, or just some sage wisdom (or aint shit commentary)?

(This ended up longer than I intended lol)
 
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andthebeatgoeson

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It can change things very easily. But there is a connection and I say, give it a try. Love is great and worth it.

I've only had one relationship I regretted and really, only partially regretted. She was crazy but had the bomb head and chumchum. So, I only regret it as a 37 year old male who fully indulged myself. I do regret not dating/smashing other women. I could easily think of 10.

Go for it. Life's
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Crocodile

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I have no idea who Kendrick is. Like I've heard the name before but I couldn't tell you much more than that. Hypocrisy is usually pretty bad though so boo on him I guess :/
 
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Shy

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ReiGun said:
Now, it should be known I don't want a relationship and neither does she (like not at all; not with each other and not with other people).
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I have no business giving any advice but,I would say because of the bolded i wouldn't try
to push the relationship further, and just stay friends for the time being, especially if you really enjoy her company.
 
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sooperkool

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ReiGun said:
Feels weird typing this here since I usually don't need this sort of advice (also, I hate to interrupt the Kendrick debate, because it's good stuff), but I trust you brehs and I could use some other perspectives.

So me and this friend been going out together for a while. Nothing major at first - going to see movies, going out to eat, yadda yadda. But lately, things have been escalating, to the point we ended up making out in my room yesterday.

Now, it should be known I don't want a relationship and neither does she (like not at all; not with each other and not with other people). But I guess she's concerned because we're clearly heading toward sex and she doesn't want it ruining the friendship because it's happened to her before this year. Cool. I get that. This past year hasn't been great for me and friends either, so I've had that in mind the entire time.

But I suppose the concern (or curiosity, rather) on my part is just how much could shit change? I mean, it would be my first time - so big step there - but it's like...I'm not really pressed over it. I'm not the stereotypical virgin who's trying to get in them drawers at any cost. Cause it's like, if it happens, cool. And if not, nothing in my life has changed so whatever. Overall, I know what shit is; we've both been clear about where we stand. But she still feels the need to text me saying she's not in love with me (to which I texted back "well duh"...okay it was more eloquent and long winded than that, but it basically boiled down to "well duh").

But even as confident as I am in that, I know this is uncharted territory for me and I know sex can change things. So I don't know. At this point, it's pretty much going to happen unless one of us truly says "nah." So I guess the outcomes are either she's right that I'm overestimating my level of fucks not given and that thang gon have me Tommen Baratheon-tier sprung (shout outs to GoT), or I'm right and she turning a molehill into a mountain. Have y'all ever had this sort of situation with a friend before? Maybe have some stories you could share, or just some sage wisdom (or aint shit commentary)?

(This ended up longer than I intended lol)
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Because and only because you are a virgin I'm going to tell you to talk to her and back the temperature way way down. Normally I would say that you can have sex and still be friends, maybe even closer friends but in your case the sex would be catastrophic.

The person that you sleep with for the first time.... well you will form very strong emotional ties to that person and it can be overwhelming. in your case it would destroy the relationship.
 
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ReiGun

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andthebeatgoeson said:
It can change things very easily. But there is a connection and I say, give it a try. Love is great and worth it.

I've only had one relationship I regretted and really, only partially regretted. She was crazy but had the bomb head and chumchum. So, I only regret it as a 37 year old male who fully indulged myself. I do regret not dating/smashing other women. I could easily think of 10.

Go for it. Life's
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Shy said:
I have no business giving any advice but,I would say because of the bolded i wouldn't try
to push the relationship further, and just stay friends for the time being, especially if you really enjoy her company.
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sooperkool said:
Because and only because you are a virgin I'm going to tell you to talk to her and back the temperature way way down. Normally I would say that you can have sex and still be friends, maybe even closer friends but in your case the sex would be catastrophic.

The person that you sleep with for the first time.... well you will form very strong emotional ties to that person and it can be overwhelming. in your case it would destroy the relationship.
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So that's two "nah b's" and a "go for it." Hmm...okay.

After our last talk, I agreed with myself not push things in any particular direction. What sooperkool says makes sense ("catastrophic" tho lmaooooo), so I'll hold off on sex and keep things where they are. Like I said, I'm not pressed to have sex anyway and I like things now. It also helps she's in a period of celibacy (long story) anyway. lol I'll chill and see where things go.

Slayven said:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...first-denied-then-confirmed-antebellum-style/
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Peeped this the other day and I still can't quite deal with it. I mean, fuck there's a lot to unpack here.
 
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MikeBreezy92

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ReiGun said:
Feels weird typing this here since I usually don't need this sort of advice (also, I hate to interrupt the Kendrick debate, because it's good stuff), but I trust you brehs and I could use some other perspectives.

So me and this friend been going out together for a while. Nothing major at first - going to see movies, going out to eat, yadda yadda. But lately, things have been escalating, to the point we ended up making out in my room yesterday.

Now, it should be known I don't want a relationship and neither does she (like not at all; not with each other and not with other people). But I guess she's concerned because we're clearly heading toward sex and she doesn't want it ruining the friendship because it's happened to her before this year. Cool. I get that. This past year hasn't been great for me and friends either, so I've had that in mind the entire time.

But I suppose the concern (or curiosity, rather) on my part is just how much could shit change? I mean, it would be my first time - so big step there - but it's like...I'm not really pressed over it. I'm not the stereotypical virgin who's trying to get in them drawers at any cost. Cause it's like, if it happens, cool. And if not, nothing in my life has changed so whatever. Overall, I know what shit is; we've both been clear about where we stand. But she still feels the need to text me saying she's not in love with me (to which I texted back "well duh"...okay it was more eloquent and long winded than that, but it basically boiled down to "well duh").

But even as confident as I am in that, I know this is uncharted territory for me and I know sex can change things. So I don't know. At this point, it's pretty much going to happen unless one of us truly says "nah." So I guess the outcomes are either she's right that I'm overestimating my level of fucks not given and that thang gon have me Tommen Baratheon-tier sprung (shout outs to GoT), or I'm right and she turning a molehill into a mountain. Have y'all ever had this sort of situation with a friend before? Maybe have some stories you could share, or just some sage wisdom (or aint shit commentary)?

(This ended up longer than I intended lol)
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Just stop. And from what I'm reading she seems to be the type to gain feelings anyways. If she feels the need to constantly tell you its just sex then she's not all the way comfortable with it. Something like that is said one time and is understood.
 
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Infinite

Member
There has to be a article or research paper looking into the significance of dragon ball z on black American youths. I just caught my sister the other day power watching it.
 
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Young Magus

Junior Member
Infinite said:
There has to be a article or research paper looking into the significance of dragon ball z on black American youths. I just caught my sister the other day power watching it.
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It interesting as fuck....
DBZ is one of the few animes that all niggas know by heart and will have debates over till the end of time.

Tho low key this could be extended to other toonami programs as well.
 
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ReiGun

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There is definitely something to be said for how so many brothers identified so strongly with Piccolo, even if he wasn't their favorite character.
 
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Rayven_king

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Infinite said:
There has to be a article or research paper looking into the significance of dragon ball z on black American youths. I just caught my sister the other day power watching it.
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If Dbz was playing, the streets would be empty until the shit ended the only other time I remember that happening was during the 1st season of power rangers
 
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Crocodile

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jmood88 said:
I have no idea how you could have no idea who he is, especially when Google exists.
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Sure I could look him up if so inclined. I'm just feel he's someone I probably should be familiar with due to cultural osmosis and shouldn't have to look up but I'm not.

Infinite said:
There has to be a article or research paper looking into the significance of dragon ball z on black American youths. I just caught my sister the other day power watching it.
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In any place where those with nerdy interests may gather, stay long enough and the Black people there WILL start talking about DBZ unprovoked. This has NEVER failed me in my entire life. If Dragon Ball Super ends up being shit there are going to be a LOT of disappointed people.
 
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royalan

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Watching Belly all the way through for the first time.

This movie's a trip, but half way through I don't know what the hell is happening. Who is scheming who. Apparently DMX found God or something...
 
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RP912

Banned
One thing I remember about Belly was the kaleidoscope ass cinematography throughout the whole movie.

I swear every scene was either neon orange, dark maroon, puke green, and fruit punch red.
 
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